Hitler's Decorated Nazi Military Officers

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General Helmut Wilberg was personally awarded, by Hitler himself, the Hohenzollern's Knight's Cross with Swords, EKI and EKII. Walter H. Hollaender, a Wehrmacht Colonel, was personally decorated, by Hitler himself, the Ritterkreuz, German-Cross in Gold, EKI, EKII, and Close Combat Badge. As any normal informed individual should already know, military decorations are, morbidly and unfortunately, issued to those who are efficient in the world of killing. Or those who give not a whit about their own safety and act out of a sense of honor while in heated combat. These two men were considered very good soldiers and very good leaders to the point where Hitler decorated and promoted them. This is all fine and normal when you read about it. It's some top Nazi officials who were very good at killing Americans, Brits, Frenchmen, Canadians, and all the rest of the nations who faced up to the Nazi war machine. There is one thing that makes these men stand apart from all the rest of the Nazi officers. It's not their obvious skill at leading fighting men in combat, and it's not that Hitler saw fit to honor these military officers. What sets them apart from all the rest of the Nazi organization is the fact that they were publicly-known Jewish men. Yes that's correct. Hitler personally decorated his gifted Jewish Nazi General and his Jewish Nazi Colonel for their enormous contribution to the killing of Allied soldiers. Why is this not a fact of life for all of us? It's simple. Because we have to believe Hitler was so Anti-Jewish he murdered over 6 million of them, though the Auchwitz Museum curator lowered the death figure by as much as 50%. Instead of the 3.5 million supposedly gassed at Auchwitz the figure was reduced to 1.1 million. They made the correction, not me. I'm just the teacher of facts here. I am curious if anyone here even knew Hitler had great admiration for his Jewish officers. Due to time restraints I have to end it here right now. I shall include more if and when anyone should decide to respond to the thread. Peace!
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
I guess that explains the swimming pool and theatre at Aushewitz that my family enjoyed before they were gassed and cremated.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Oh, well if it was only 1.1 million people murdered, what's all the fuss about?

What's the real difference? If "only" 1.1 million people were murdered, that's somehow ok?

By the way, point of fact, both of these men were half Jewish. They each had one Jewish parent.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
The last guy left guarding Hitler's bunker was a Frenchman. I guess that means Hitler never really invaded France. Would make as much sense as trying to re-think Hitlers ideas about Jews when Hitler took the time to WRITE HIS IDEAS DOWN.

What a sick and hateful piece of filth you must be to waste your time trying to gloss over the acts of evil men. I wonder what part of your pathetic life you neglect to devote time to all this Nazi propaganda.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
I wonder what part of your pathetic life you neglect to devote time to all this Nazi propaganda


Hopefuly its procreation Baker... I'd hate to see another generation of these morons.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Actually General Helmut Wilberg was "Mischlinge" or half-Jew and was delcared Aryan by the governemt. Alsom he died in 1941 before the pogroms went into full effect.


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Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Baker thanks for absolutely nothing. What kind of response it that? Not civil at all and it shows insight into your much weaker mind. This propaganda as you think of it is historically verifiable and deemed completely correct. Sorry for the language but go get a fucking brain and read a fucking book before you come in here and insult me for absolutely no reason other than you're a weak-minded fool who would rather call reality propaganda and hide it from view. You're an idiot who falls into line so well the American planners come all over their maps while they think of drones like you. Call me on for shit that makes a whit of sense ok idiot? Because you can't argue with historical FACTS so you come here and throw insults like a grade school minion with nothing to do but be a moron. You tell me to get a life. Well I have long ago, and I'm so much smarter than you because I open my mind to reality and never call facts propaganda. Fuck you're an idiot.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Lol, I'll stack my brains up alongside yours any day, Nazi.

If you want to sit and pretend your paranoid, thinly-veiled Jew-hating joke of a blog is "cutting edge" or even taken seriously, fine, live in your fantasy world. In reality, though, I haven't heard shit from you that I didn't hear almost 20 years ago from the other lame-ass geek Nazi wannabes in college working in a used book store.

Your kind are the algae that forms on the bottom of the intellectual fish tank; a sick, inbred hateful bunch that feels impotent and scared and likes to think of yourselves as "superior" to make up for it. Sorry, seeing imaginary conspiracies and hating people because of their race or creed isn't superior, is sick and weak.

The only reason you get any nods here at all is because you intersperse your revisionist history crap with anti-US diatribes that the morons from Democratic Underground feed on. Kind of like gilding crap with crap.

Live in your little goose-stepping fantasy world while the rest of us “lesser races” laugh our ass off at the eccentric peon making a big show of itself on a little blog.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top

Lol, I'll stack my brains up alongside yours any day, Nazi.


Baker... you are assuming he HAS brains..... somehow I doubt it.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
Lol, I'll stack my brains up alongside yours any day, Nazi.

If you want to sit and pretend your paranoid, thinly-veiled Jew-hating joke of a blog is "cutting edge" or even taken seriously, fine, live in your fantasy world. In reality, though, I haven't heard shit from you that I didn't hear almost 20 years ago from the other lame-ass geek Nazi wannabes in college working in a used book store.

Your kind are the algae that forms on the bottom of the intellectual fish tank; a sick, inbred hateful bunch that feels impotent and scared and likes to think of yourselves as "superior" to make up for it. Sorry, seeing imaginary conspiracies and hating people because of their race or creed isn't superior, is sick and weak.

The only reason you get any nods here at all is because you intersperse your revisionist history crap with anti-US diatribes that the morons from Democratic Underground feed on. Kind of like gilding crap with crap.

Live in your little goose-stepping fantasy world while the rest of us “lesser races” laugh our ass off at the eccentric peon making a big show of itself on a little blog.


What would be constructive exercise is to dig up and print Hitler's personal memos and discuss them in an open forum. In four paragraphs you attacked the character without providing any new insight about the topic. Moreover, 'guilding crap with crap' villifies anyone who deconstructs these arguements. Whether we are talking Jews or microsoft or current events, it is not unreasonable to expect people to round out their reply with links. Talk about kneejerk reaction - christ.

Who is the troll hmmm?
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Slanderer evidently you aren't familiar with R.H. R.H. here regularly posts material revising the holocause death count, pretending that concentration camps were recreational facilities, that Israel was behind 9-11, etc., etc.

Frankly, I'll save my "digging" for conversations wherein both sides has a soul and an open mind. Nazi apologists need not apply.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
hey.....so....

If Hitler now was such a great guy....and Bush is always called Hitler from the left....

Does this mean that Bush is a great guy?

just wondering....
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top

hey.....so....

If Hitler now was such a great guy....and Bush is always called Hitler from the left....

Does this mean that Bush is a great guy?

just wondering....


That's a pretty big If.

And by that I mean Hitler wasn't a great guy (he was a horrible, evil person), but the analogy is still flawed because it is out of proportion. Dubya can never get to the level of Hitler. Hitler was the equivalent of an evil genius, bordering on insanity. Bush is simply a slightly delusional moron.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
i know it is a flawed argument....i wasn't being serious. But...if you read some of the stuff around here, bush is the new Hitler.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
Know what, you Nazi apologist underpants skidmark?
I asked you a question on another thread, which you have yet to answer.
You have yet to explain to me just where, exactly, the rest of the murdered Jews, the ones that you so casually dismiss with your "reduced numbers", went to.
Where did they all go, man? I asked you before if, maybe, you think they all simply changed their names and moved to Chicago or something, and you never really gave me a straight answer.
Entire families, generations of them, were wiped out of existence. It took some people years, even decades, to track down what was left of their families. Yet you can spew drivel like this and call it truth.
Otto Frank, for one well-known example, lost everyone. But then, you probably think he was a liar, anyway, along with his daughter. Damn Christ-killing Jews! Right?


Stick to the white-supremacist blogs, dude. You'll find more sympathy for this crap there.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
bordering on insanity.


Bordering? At the end, the guy was sitting at a map, moving around, and sending communiques to, commanders, units and divisions that had been wiped out to a man days and even weeks before.
Then, instead of taking the blame for what happened, he put the blame on the millions of Germans who were suffering and who died for believing in him, and wanted literally all of them, the entire nation, to die with him for their lack of will. Then, like the brave, principled man he was, he simultaneously crunched a cyaninde tablet and pulled the trigger on the gun in his mouth. Bordering?
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Because we have to believe Hitler was so Anti-Jewish he murdered over 6 million of them, though the Auchwitz Museum curator lowered the death figure by as much as 50%. Instead of the 3.5 million supposedly gassed at Auchwitz the figure was reduced to 1.1 million. They made the correction, not me. I'm just the teacher of facts here. I am curious if anyone here even knew Hitler had great admiration for his Jewish officers.

One thing the Nazis were known for was their meticulous record keeping. If the original number of Jews killed in the Holocaust was 6 million, then it was likely 6 million. And, that was only the Jews. I cannot imagine how the Aushwitz Museum would change the numbers, and you have provided no links. Also, Aushwitz was only one of many death camps that the Nazis maintained. Some were merely death camps, some work camps that killed millions, and then there were the death marches. Six million was probably a conservative estimate.

Besides, whatever the number, the Nazis came very close to exterminating the Jews throughout Europe. Poland, for example, has never recovered the numbers of their Jewish citizens. Poland's had at least one if not two or more million Jews. And, that's only Poland. RH, your numbers are lunacy and insulting revisionist history.

As far as Hitler loving some of his Jewish officers, so fucking what............ They must have been some kind of scum in their own rights to side with him. And, what it shows, as the very least, was Hitler's hypocrisy. Again, insulting revisionist history.

What the hell is wrong with you, that you have to buy into this crap? What the hell are you trying to prove here? That you're some enlightened god-knows-what?
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
Dubya can never get to the level of Hitler. Hitler was the equivalent of an evil genius, bordering on insanity. Bush is simply a slightly delusional moron.


I disagree with you on two points here, Latour. First, there was nothing "bordering" about Hitler's insanity. He was a raving lunatic. Secondly, I think Bush is a majorly delusional moron, which is why his neocon taskmasters like him so much.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
I disagree with you on two points here, Latour. First, there was nothing "bordering" about Hitler's insanity. He was a raving lunatic. Secondly, I think Bush is a majorly delusional moron, which is why his neocon taskmasters like him so much.


I'm so surprised....not.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
The whole thing about Hitler's rise to power is that the times created the figure. The simple fact was that a man like Adolf Hitler, in any other time and place, would have come off as a simple crackpot and would likely have been dismissed almost completely by the people.
However, with the terribly punitive conditions, as demanded by France and England, of the Treaty of Versailles in place, Germany was utterly prostrate and directionless. Wilson and, ironically, Winston Churchill, had recommended a more reconcilliatory attitude, but were not listened to.
Germany was humiliated, and reduced to a 100,000 man army and saddled with paying back the entire cost of the war.
The Weimar Republic, the government which took over in the wake of the collapse of the monarchy, was often seen as spineless and collaborationist and was the target of much hatred by the political extremist groups on both sides, including the infant National Socialist German Worker's Party, which had taken root in the postwar chaos.
After a few years of negotiations, however, the republic did manage to get Germany a somewhat better deal.
This was one reason why the Munich "Beer Hall Putsch" of 1923, in which Hitler tried to start his revolution, failed. Hitler was sent to Landsberg prison, where he then had time to write "Mein Kampf", which had the effect of lending him a certain legitimacy he hadn't had before, and of getting his name out in the public. The fact that virtually nobody had never actually read it was unimportant. Everyone owned a copy; that was what mattered.
He came out of prison and found the Nazi party disorganized and demoralized, and set about rebuilding the party.
Under his evil genius, which included a talent for giving people jobs for which they were particularly suited, an extremely gifted talent for sizing up and charming opponents and of course of oratory, he got things going again.
By 1929, when the Depression hit, casuing again massive inflation in Germany and political unrest, Hitler the Nazis were there to be the calm center of order in the cloudy, stormy political firmament of Germany. Many were attracted by their promises of honor and of bringing back Germany's former greatness. That was why he succeeded in his rise; the times made him.

Hitler didn't really go nuts until about 1944, after the bomb plot failed. It was all down hill from there. Up till then, he was relatively sane, actually.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hitler didn't really go nuts until about 1944, after the bomb plot failed. It was all down hill from there. Up till then, he was relatively sane, actually.


Say what??? He may have had a breakdown after 1944, but before then, he was a delusional paranoid maniac. Sounds pretty insane to me.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
My point is that he was at least relatively coherent and cognizant up to that point; when he realized that his own people had tried to kill him, that was the turning point.
Reply #23 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting dabe, reply 21
Hitler didn't really go nuts until about 1944, after the bomb plot failed. It was all down hill from there. Up till then, he was relatively sane, actually.Say what??? He may have had a breakdown after 1944, but before then, he was a delusional paranoid maniac. Sounds pretty insane to me.

Hitler went insane due to syphilis but I personally think he was just born insane.

Some say he was a madman and others say he was a genius. Since he never was diagnosed by a psychiatrist then one can't say if he had a mental illness or he was bad to the bone. The truth of the matter was he was a nobody on the streets of Germany until he was given an opportunity (brain-washed) into believing the Jews were the major problem of all Germany. He was only made powerful by those around him and then feared by the people. As I've always said, "The head of the snake will turn around and bite you on the butt" and once again this proves to be true. Some say he shot himself and his body was burned, but one could question this. This man was so ego-maniac, I just couldn't believe he committed suicide. However, he is dead and the question for me is, did he take his own life because he knew he was finished or did someone else take his life because they hated him. Russia has claimed they have Hitler's jaw bone.

It is a high possibility that Adolph Hitler suffered from Syphilis, but it not with out a doubt a proven factor. Gossip has it that Hitler picked up Syphilis from a prostitute in Vienna. His doctor kept records on treatments and references were made that Hitler had 'Tympanic' second sound to the heartbeat which COULD be related to syphilis to the aorta. There were records of drug treatments in 1940 where Hitler received regular injection of iodide salts treatment for cardiac syphilis. He had lesions on his shins to the point he couldn't wear his boots. He had encephalitis, flatulence, chest pain, dizziness, gastric pain, neck pustules and restrictive palsy which are all associated with this disease. However, Adolph Hitler was basically living on the streets after his mother died and was a loner, shy and didn't particularly carry any hatred towards the Jews. It was later when he went to Vienna that he was brain-washed and implemented the fact (hate mongering) that the Jews were spreading the Syphilis. What came first ... the evil in him or was it truly syphilis driven mania.

 

 

 

Reply #24 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting dabe, reply 17
Because we have to believe Hitler was so Anti-Jewish he murdered over 6 million of them, though the Auchwitz Museum curator lowered the death figure by as much as 50%. Instead of the 3.5 million supposedly gassed at Auchwitz the figure was reduced to 1.1 million. They made the correction, not me. I'm just the teacher of facts here. I am curious if anyone here even knew Hitler had great admiration for his Jewish officers. One thing the Nazis were known for was their meticulous record keeping. If the original number of Jews killed in the Holocaust was 6 million, then it was likely 6 million. And, that was only the Jews. I cannot imagine how the Aushwitz Museum would change the numbers, and you have provided no links. Also, Aushwitz was only one of many death camps that the Nazis maintained. Some were merely death camps, some work camps that killed millions, and then there were the death marches. Six million was probably a conservative estimate.Besides, whatever the number, the Nazis came very close to exterminating the Jews throughout Europe. Poland, for example, has never recovered the numbers of their Jewish citizens. Poland's had at least one if not two or more million Jews. And, that's only Poland. RH, your numbers are lunacy and insulting revisionist history.As far as Hitler loving some of his Jewish officers, so fucking what............ They must have been some kind of scum in their own rights to side with him. And, what it shows, as the very least, was Hitler's hypocrisy. Again, insulting revisionist history. What the hell is wrong with you, that you have to buy into this crap? What the hell are you trying to prove here? That you're some enlightened god-knows-what?

That even one human being could be treated this way. In any time, in any country.

Six or six million----If you can find a way to justify this, your place in hell is assured.
 
After WW1, Germany was a mess - at certain points, their money was literally not worth the paper it was printed on. That's a very scary thing to have happen, because you're never sure if you'll get food or clothing or medicine if you get sick. And when things are going that badly and people are scared, they often look for someone to blame or something to do, because then they are less scared. They also look for a leader, because they need someone to protect them.  

Hitler was a very charismatic speaker, who filled the role of leader really well. And he picked the Jews as the people to blame, along with Communists, intellectuals, homosexuals, etc. He also gave the German people a vision of themselves as perfect and ideal, with a higher calling that could only be fulfilled if they got rid of undesireables. All those things are very, very inviting ideas if you are starving and frightened, and it worked.  

It's also true that orthodox Jewish religious doctrine encourages Jews to think of themselves as "God's Chosen People" and a cut above the rest of us.

Put that together with certain behaviors that set them apart (distinctive clothing and hair styles among the Chasidim, for example) and it's not hard for unscrupulous people in power to take the heat off themselves by pointing at the "foreigners", the ones who aren't "real" Germans/English/Americans/whatever.

The same scapegoating is currently underway in the US, with Muslim Americans and Arab-Americans as the victims.

During WW2 it was Japanese-Americans, and in WW1 the German-Americans. We're not currently rounding up the Muslims or Arabs and putting them in concentration camps, the way we did the Japanese-Americans in WW2, but who knows what will happen next year?  
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
Why blow the dust off of this joke of a thread?