The ACLU - Anti Christian

Not that I like the UCLU or anything but from what I gather when it comes to cases it would seem to be all about who brings it to them. If someone brings a case about the pagen goddess then they will fight it I guess.

At any rate, I do not know what the ACLU is up to these days. Sadly such a strong systems for justice might get is 'just deserts' when too many people are fed up with it. Unfortunately, the actions against the ACLU will probabaly be sever and any good that the UCLU could have done will now be hampered.

At the wonderful age of 30, I now have no doubt what goes around comes around. If you keep doing evil sooner or later you will be stopped (not saying the ACLU is evil, I am just saying). If it is true as to what they do, sooner or later there will be more than enough evidence to show so and someone will take them to court or get laws passed or they will loose membership (maybe a conbination)



Word to the wise; do good and maybe when the pendulem swings back you won't get hurt.

why did they not object to the pagan goddess on the same seal?

which pagan goddess would that be dr guy? if you're advocating removal of the native woman in the center of the seal, perhaps you might wanna retitle your article something like: The ACLU-Anti-John Wayne or What?

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Because they dont care about the separation of Church and State, tehy only care about harassing Christians for their own perverted ends. The proof is in the deeds, as their words are worthless

the aclu is doin somethin perverse with the native woman?
is that a pagan goddess temple to her left or is she just happy to see the padres come to enslave her people?

Pagan goddess? That's just a woman carrying what looks like harvested crops. Where do you get the notion that she's a pagan goddess? Really, I want to know.

As for the cross, I'm confused. If you are referring to the layout of the seal, then I do think the ACLU, and/or whomever put them up to this, is over the top. That "cross" layout could also be construed as some type of mandala, or circle of life. Or, is it written somewhere that it is a Christian symbol, in which case, I would have to agree with the ACLU. It would be just as inappropriate to use a Star of David, or any other religious symbol, as a symbol for a city.

As for the cross, I'm confused

until last year, there was a cross in one of the smaller panels (actually a cross, two stars and the hollywood bowl). it was replaced with a likeness of a mission, the hollywood bowl and stars panel--sans cross--was moved up (to replace some oil derricks) and the pagan goddess, pomona, was replaced with a native woman.

apparently the news hasnt filtered down to the crank media.

apparently the news hasnt filtered down to the crank media.

Apparently not. I was going to ask him what kind of drugs he was taking that would make him see this woman as "pagan". But, ya know, it's all in the eyes of the beholder. And, as Dr. Guy stated, "The proof is in the deeds, as their words are worthless." I think he was referring to himself, as empty and baseless trashing is indeed proof of his deeds, or at least this particular one.

apparently the news hasnt filtered down to the crank media. Apparently not. I was going to ask him what kind of drugs he was taking that would make him see this woman as "pagan". But, ya know, it's all in the eyes of the beholder. And, as Dr. Guy stated, "The proof is in the deeds, as their words are worthless." I think he was referring to himself, as empty and baseless trashing is indeed proof of his deeds, or at least this particular one.

You know you "were" doing real good until the end. *You* want to talk about empty and baseless trashing? You have no room to talk.

which pagan goddess would that be dr guy? if you're advocating removal of the native woman in the center of the seal, perhaps you might wanna retitle your article something like: The ACLU-Anti-John Wayne or What?

LA removed her without their protest.  The ACLU protested the cross, but not the pagan Godess.  So what part of that do you not understand or comprehend?  I do not feel like googling her name, but she was a part of that as well.  They changed her to native american when they removed the cross as well.  Under threat from the ACLU.

How much of that do you fail to comprehend?

which pagan goddess would that be dr guy? if you're advocating removal of the native woman in the center of the seal, perhaps you might wanna retitle your article something like: The ACLU-Anti-John Wayne or What?

Ah what the hell.  Save yourself some googling:

all arranged around an image of Pomona, a pagan goddess.

Pagan goddess? That's just a woman carrying what looks like harvested crops. Where do you get the notion that she's a pagan goddess? Really, I want to know.

See Previous response.  Pagan Godess.  What part of that do you not understand?

until last year, there was a cross in one of the smaller panels (actually a cross, two stars and the hollywood bowl). it was replaced with a likeness of a mission, the hollywood bowl and stars panel--sans cross--was moved up (to replace some oil derricks) and the pagan goddess, pomona, was replaced with a native woman.

Likeness of  a Mission?  I think not.  Likeness of a house is more like it. And so you found your pagan goddess.  Why did you ask in the first place?

And you dare debate their hypocrisy?

Word to the wise; do good and maybe when the pendulem swings back you won't get hurt.

I am 20 years ahead of you and I have been warning that.  But it falls on deaf ears.  So sad.

Apparently not. I was going to ask him what kind of drugs he was taking that would make him see this woman as "pagan". But, ya know, it's all in the eyes of the beholder. And, as Dr. Guy stated, "The proof is in the deeds, as their words are worthless." I think he was referring to himself, as empty and baseless trashing is indeed proof of his deeds, or at least this particular one.

Ah, Dabe!  you never fail to fail my expectations!  The pagan goddess was told to you twice.  The words of the ACLU in going after a cross over a pagan goddess are a matter of record.  your failure to comprehend simple english is again apparent.  You only failed in that you were predicted to fail.

Failures are so predictable.

You failed.  Again.

You know you "were" doing real good until the end. *You* want to talk about empty and baseless trashing? You have no room to talk.

hey Doc. It is Dabe after all!  Like you can get a multiple sylable non trashing word from her on any subject?

Uh, huh!  She must have been in Kansas, cause she sure is in OZ now!

You know you "were" doing real good until the end. *You* want to talk about empty and baseless trashing? You have no room to talk. hey Doc. It is Dabe after all! Like you can get a multiple sylable non trashing word from her on any subject? Uh, huh! She must have been in Kansas, cause she sure is in OZ now!

Is Toto with her?

Is Toto with her?

Nah!  The dog was smarter!

So the general Christian symbol of the cross is objectionable, but the specifically Catholic symbol of a Mission is ok? ;~D

So the general Christian symbol of the cross is objectionable, but the specifically Catholic symbol of a Mission is ok? ;~D

Sure! But it is whitewashed to a house!

Stupid is as stupid does. DId you see how the liberals were trying to spin this? Sometimes it makes more sense to say "I am wrong" than to defend the indefensible.

Sorry kb and Dabe.

How about googling "ACLU defends Christian rights" and seeing all they've done. God forbid you would actually research the other side of a story instead of just assuming because you've never seen a news story on it. Maybe that biased media you're always crying about is biased on your side this time. Oddly enough, this you don't seem to mind.

--Actually this is the link from the googling i did with "ACLU defends Christian Rights" Approx. 29,400 results

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--Also, searching [googling] for anti-christian,etc...i got these links...

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--This is when i googled Anti-Religion and the ACLU


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Also here is another link:




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Sometimes it makes more sense to say "I am wrong" than to defend the indefensible.

and sometimes you need to follow your own advice.

in fact, there hasnt been a pagan goddess on the seal for at least 6 months (whether the native woman is a pagan might be up to question but that's not what you were claiming in hopes of rousing the rabble). also that's a recognizable representation of a mission building altho admittedly not nearly as walt disneyish as the taco bell logo.

as far as indefensible goes, please explain to me the religious significance of a cross combined with two stars and the hollywood bowl as a symbol of anything. seems blasphemous to me and undercuts your silly attempt to do exactly what al gore was decrying in the portion of american heresy i quoted in your other article.

you know...that speech all those clueless self-proclaimed conservative clone-heads were applauding gleefully in their comments til they discovered who authored it.

The ACLU has been mocked and villified for the past year on the C - sickle thing.

This was partially addressed 4 months ago on LewRockwell. Link

His response was from here Link and the notorious instapundit
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Because they dont care about the separation of Church and State, tehy only care about harassing Christians for their own perverted ends.

You are going to have to provide me with more information/links before I can agree with that statement. I think what is more likely is that they are tiring of being parodied. Religion never enters the equation kemosabe.

How about googling "ACLU defends Christian rights" and seeing all they've done. God forbid you would actually research the other side of a story instead of just assuming because you've never seen a news story on it. Maybe that biased media you're always crying about is biased on your side this time. Oddly enough, this you don't seem to mind.

Unlike the ACLU, I am an equal opportunity Basher.  You want to google their defense of Christians, go right ahead.  No one is stopping you.  God forbid that you actually have a point to make and actual facts to back it up with.

and sometimes you need to follow your own advice.

If you have not seen me admit my mistakes, you dont read much.