You stupid vegans!

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What are the benefits of being a vegan? From what I can see, it is a very unhealthy “belief”.

Although… I do understand vegetarians who can eat the products from animals. They have a very healthy lifestyle, they get all the vitamins and nutrients their body needs… but might lack a little protein unless they eat beans constantly. They actually might be somewhat healthier than most people.

But with being a vegan, all you can eat/drink is broccoli and water… you can’t (or at least you shouldn’t) eat Altoids (contain gelatin from pigs) or honey (which obviously comes from bees). Then on top of that they can’t wear or use silk, down or leather. That's just stupid. Because there is no purpose!

Animals are to be eaten. We as humans are at the top of the food chain and it is natural to be the predators and eat the lower animals on the food chain. You don’t see cats as vegetarians walking around saying, “OOO!! A poor little mouse, but I can’t eat it because it is absolutely cruel to kill a poor defenseless creature.” And then watch it go and chew on some freaking grass. It is their natural instinct to be carnivores… and it is perfectly natural for humans to eat cows and pigs.

As animals having their own personality… I believe in that theory with all my heart. You can tell that no two animals are the same… maybe not by physical structure, but their personalities are all different. But eating the lower specimens on the food chain is necessary...

I don’t believe in torturing animals for pleasure…. But I do believe that the “murder” of animals is necessary from the survival of the human race.

It also helps maintain the animal populations if you disagree with everything else I've said.


~Shadow
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
I agree...vegans are a bit stupid. They think eating animals is cruel....I think it's delicious....but let them think what they want.

~Zoo
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Meat, it's what's for dinner
Ashes of the Singularity II
Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Is this post a joke? I hope so; if not, you're horribly misinformed and/or too lazy to think this argument through very far.

Furthermore, why do you even care if some people's lifestyle is vegan? Does it affect you at all? Being vegan doesn't equal being stupid.

-A.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Some vegans are hateful to those who aren't. I love the Pretenders, but Chrissie Hynde pisses me off. Another reason people are obviously supposed to eat meat is that we have incisor teeth. Although I do wish there was a better way of killing them. Slaughterhouses are pretty disgusting.

Asian people eat dogs. We think it's cruel, but it's their culture.

P - People
E - Eating
T - Tasty
A - Animals
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Our ancestors didn't fight their way up the food chain for me to be eating only veggies!! ;~D

Actually, the only ones I do respect are the ones who will only eat fruits and veggies that have already fallen off a plant, and won't eat plants or animals at all. No, I couldn't (and wouldn't) live like that, but hey, they really live what they believe.

For the rest, they seem to pick and choose which life forms are above killing and which aren't.

Of course, all are free to make their choices, and more power to them!

Someday we will all come to the realization that life is only preserved by consuming that which was once alive.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'm weird about meat, but it's a personal thing. It doesn't make me any better (or any WORSE) than anyone else.

I do find your attitude toward vegans to be pretty arrogant and hateful, though. Any particular reason why you're so enraged at people who don't live the same way you do?
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
I dunno, I think to each his own... Not that a disagree with the message of this article, I just think it was protrayed in a kinda harsh way. Reality is, I love steak, and a good, lean, thick porkchop.... Excuse me, I gotta go to the kitchen!
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
By the way... Where the hell do I get the green smilies?
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yummmm, steak, mmm, *drooling*
Gotta go too
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
When I first turned lacto-ovo vegetarian, I was very annoying, constantly trying to force my opinions on everyone else and it just made people want to eat meat even more because I was being rude. For some reason though, ever since I stopped, I have found no shortage of meat eaters who, the moment you tell them "I'm a vegetarian", want to launch into a list of reasons I shouldn't be. I don't do this every time someone tells me "I'm a Christian". It is equally rude and arrogant.

"What are the benefits of being a vegan? From what I can see, it is a very unhealthy “belief”."

I think you are missing the point. Only cop out vegos do it for health reasons. It's a moral issue. Many animals that are farmed for their products (eg cows for milk) are treated abominably by farmers and the vegans are taking a stance against this. I admire for them for it.\

"Animals are to be eaten. We as humans are at the top of the food chain and it is natural to be the predators and eat the lower animals on the food chain. "

This argument would be like me saying to a Christian "But God doesn't exist in the way you think he does. There are many Gods and they don't take on a human form. Believe it because I said it". Most vegans have pretty strongly considered the arguments about the food chain. As a vegetarian, I know I have. They don't convince me. Simply stating your beliefs about the food chain is a pretty ridiculous way to conduct a philosophical debate. "For the rest, they seem to pick and choose which life forms are above killing and which aren't." We all do this every day. Are you a cannibal? What are your views on abortion? Is a chicken's egg a life? I respect fruitarians, but I don't believe that plants have a soul, so I eat them. I also respect that you're not a cannibal because of your beliefs about the food chain. Does that mean I have to believe in them too?
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top

By the way... Where the hell do I get the green smilies?

The Forums turn mine green.  But not all, so I am not sure why some are and some are not.

Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top

I dont like the way some animals are treated, and hence that is why I will never eat veal.  But I do eat meat.  My Brother is a vegan, and he is not pushy about it, nor does he object when others eat meat around him.

Yea, some (especially like the PETA PESTS) are real a-holes about it, but most dont pontificate on it constantly, so unless you really get to know them, you would never know they were vegans.

Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Many vegans use it as a soapbox issue. I have a few vegan friends who will lecture me for eating a steak, or a hamburger. THey will tell me I'm perpetuating a system of horrible animal cruelty and that it's not our place in the world to decide what forms of life live and die. I personally couldn't care less what the hell someone eats and doesn't eat unless they're complaining about something I cooked. I like my steaks medium rare... deliciously bloody. You can eat your salad, which is delicious in its own right. I'll eat my cow, you eat your lettuce and we'll both just leave each other alone.

I liken many preaching vegans to evangelical Christians. They are annoying as hell and are more likely to drive people in the OPPOSITE direction than anything else. Preach to me about the evils of meat and I'll make a point of eating a steak in front of you.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
LoL, me too. Nice and rare, and I hope it moo's when I poke my fork in it.


Cut off the tail, cut off the Nose, and slap it on a bun.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top

Meat literally makes me sick.  I have found that meat aggravates my rheumatoid arthritis more than anything else that exists.  I also found that I have less lupus flares and skin conditions (which are related to the form of lupus that I have) since I quit eating meat.  I much rather change my diet than to take more pills that hardly work.

However, anyone who thinks that vegans or vegetarians don't get enough protein are just uninformed.

Veggies have protein in them.  Not as concentrated as meat, but it is there.  Nuts and legumes are packed with protein.  You can make a complete protein (there are different forms of protein) by combining certain veggies and grains.  You don't need animal protein of any sort to be healthy.

I could never be a vegan though- I love cheese too much.  Don't care about eggs or milk....but cheese is a different story.

No matter what side you are on, it's really irritating to hear the other side say you are "wrong" or "stupid" because the way you eat. 

 

Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Cut off the tail, cut off the Nose, and slap it on a bun."

OK Look, I haven't, and no other vegetarians on this post have preached to you about why you shouldn't eat meat, so I find it really offensive when you start delighting in the killing of animals. I know it's a public forum but it seems to me that you are not being any better than the vegetarians who get up on their soapbox.

"Many vegans use it as a soapbox issue."

So do many meat eaters.. Which is weird. It'd be like someone who's getting an abortion going up to a pregnant person and telling them "You know you really ought to get an abortion. It's not even a living baby yet, it's just a foetus".
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
I find it really offensive when you start delighting in the killing of animals


If you're implying that it's wrong to kill any living creature, then you should stop walking and driving, because you step on and run over thousands of insects.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
I find it really offensive when you start delighting in the killing of animals


If you're implying that it's wrong to kill any living creature, then you should stop walking and driving, because you step on and run over thousands of insects.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
so I find it really offensive when you start delighting in the killing of animals.


It was a joke... lighten up.

So do many meat eaters..


Being a meat eater, I have been on the receiving end of countless lectures as to how my eating a pork chop is wrong and evil. I have seen many campus protests where the protestors would yell and scream at people walking by if they had a hotdog or a burger in their hand. I don't think I've ever seen a Pro-Meat rally... There aren't organizations out there that run around telling you you're a bad person, that your immoral because you eat meat. Yet, we have PETA which goes nuts over everything regarding animals.

My reaction to evangelical vegans is because they get in my face. If you get in my face about the evils of meat, I'll toss back about how we're engineered to eat just about everything... including meat. Our bodies were built for it, we even used to have an organ devoted to processing raw meat. My favorite thing to shoot back with when someone's really getting on my case that it is simply unnatural and an abomination to God to swear off all animal products since that is how we're designed. That usually gets their blood pressure up a few notches.

I honestly don't believe either diet is right or wrong. What is wrong is when someone feels the need to preach to me about it.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
"My reaction to evangelical vegans is because they get in my face. If you get in my face about the evils of meat"

Which nobody has on this forum, yet you persist anyway in going on about your perceptions of the naturalness of meateating.

"I have been on the receiving end of countless lectures as to how my eating a pork chop is wrong and evil."

And I have been on the end of countless lectues about how God made us to eat meat, about how we evolved to eat meat, about how we need meat to survive, about how I'm missing out, about how that's what animals are for, about how that's what we breed them for etc. I keep telling them: I don't care! Eat your meat and leave me alone. But still they persist. But I'm impressed that you're not one of them.

"It was a joke... lighten up."

This is going to be highly offensive and I apologise but I have to make this point. There was this baby sitting in the womb the other day, just having a good ole time getting nutrition from Mum and then wwwuuup came the doctor down the hole, snipped the thing into a thousand little pieces. WWWWahayyyy You shoulda seen the tininess of those picees. Ha ha! Blood got on the doc's hands and he was running about saying "out out damned spot". iT was hilarious. Then we all had a big lauugh about eating the placenta. And then the doc started making little noises like a baby crying going "Ohhh no I'm a baby and I'm dead. A living creature dead" And we all just rolled about on the floor laughing. MMMM, unborn foetus,, finger lickin good.

Did you find that funny? Cos I didn't.

"I don't think I've ever seen a Pro-Meat rally"

No but there are a few advertisements over here that have similar messages. One of them mocked Hare Krishnas and said we should eat pork (it had to be taken off air). Another mocked the idea of eating spinach to get iron, you'd better eat red meat. And there's a Hog's Breath cafe or something that calls itself the world's worst vegetarian restaurant (which I think is quite a humorous line) but it does have some pretty horrible sounds of cows dying in the ads.

"If you're implying that it's wrong to kill any living creature, then you should stop walking and driving, because you step on and run over thousands of insects"

Nope I'm implying you shouldn't have a big old laugh about hoping the meat moos in front of vegos, unless they are the type that want to moralise to you. Which I repeat no one on this forum has been.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Being a farmer and a meat eater, I can personally tell you that ALMOST ALL farmers take excellent care of their livestock. To treat them poorly is to create a poor product. Cattle that are sick and starving create beef which is poor in quality, and even worse in taste. Producing a product which will not be bought is not the farmer's job. Also, cattle that aren't well fed don't produce any muscle mass, and therefore aren't worth the investment in the cow to butcher.

Most livestock have clean bedding, medium to high quality fodder, and clean and healthy water. What most vegetarians use to preach about on their soapboxes are the extreme minority of people who don't know what they are doing.

AND, just for emphasis, MOST ALL farmers respect and value the animals that they raise. Don't think that just because we raise them for butcher doesn't mean we don't see the loss, or understand what we are doing to the animal.

Just thought you should know.

Peace,

Beebes
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top

AND, just for emphasis, MOST ALL farmers respect and value the animals that they raise.

Most ethical vegetarians don't have a problem with the farmers- they have a problem with what happens after you load them up on the semi and transport them off to slaughter.

I don't have a problem with meat eaters.  I'm not against ethical means of meat production (ie: not torturing the animal or putting it in pain).  Unfortunately, our society doesn't know moderation, so it is extremely difficult to produce the quantity desired and still be ethical. 

There are two meats that I find unethical no matter how you look at it (and I have felt this way even before I became a vegetarian):  Veal and Lamb.

This discussion reminds me of that scene in "My big fat Greek wedding" where the groom says that he is a vegetarian, then after some consideration, the Aunt says "that's OK, we'll have lamb!"

Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
Although as a semi-vegetarian, I consider vegans to be extremists, there are tremendous health and socioeconomic benefits from eating low on the food chain. You may want to research the cost per serving of raising grain versus raising cattle or chickens.

A full and balanced diet CAN be obtained from a vegan diet; in fact, many vegans are far better educated as to nutrition than the American majority. To obtain complete proteins, iron, and other nutrients commonly obtained from meat in our culture requires skillful menu planning and research into the protein values of grains and proteins.

In the end, there's as little to be gained by writing an article entitled "you stupid vegans!" as there is in writing an article slamming the omnivorous habits of the majority of the world's population. It's a matter of personal choice, and in the end, we all contribute to the natural order of things. Just because you differ in opinion doesn't make you right!
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
'From what I can see, it is a very unhealthy “belief”.'
I am a vegan of 14 years standing, and a vegetarian from 15 years before that. I am very active, healthy, happy, not overweight, have a low cholesterol level ... so what exactly do you purport to be 'unhealthy' about veganism, just-a-shadow? You are certainly extremely angry about something, but it's difficult to see quite what. Incidentally, I note that you haven't contributed to this thread since posting your intial blog. Could this be because you now realise your attack is untenable? Hmm. Interesting.

'Then on top of that they can’t wear or use silk, down or leather. That's just stupid. Because there is no purpose!'
Veganism is about what you EAT, not what you wear. Inventing a fallacious position and then attacking a group of people for supposedly adhering to it ... well yes, that's stupid all right.

'Another reason people are obviously supposed to eat meat is that we have incisor teeth.'
Absolutely not so, iconoclast. Many vegetarian rodents have far more prominent incisors than you or I.

'Although as a semi-vegetarian, I consider vegans to be extremists'
I'm surprised at this Gideon. Does that mean that your personal habits determine what you consider to be and not to be extreme?
(And by the way, what is a SEMI-vegetarian? Something like a semi-virgin, I should imagine! I can only suppose it means that only half of what you eat is meat! )
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
Furry,

FIRST OF ALL...I said I CONSIDER the positions of vegans to be extreme. You may not be among those who won't wear lether, silk, etc, because of their veganism, but TRUST ME, they're out there...and they're FAR more vocal than you are.

SECOND of all, as to your snivelling, condescending attitude towards semi-vegetarians, you would know what I'm talking about if your reading extended beyond blogs and the latest Harlequin Romance. Because it obviously does not, I won't waste my time explaining myself.

When and if you want to ask me questions about my dietary practices with respect to me as an individual and without getting on your high horse, I'd be happy to discuss them with you. As long as you'd rather take the position of moral superiority, well, then, I'd just see it as a wasted enterprise.

As a side note, this is EXACTLY why people get pissed at vegans. They have no tolerance for anyone who doesn't agree with their position 100%.