911 operator: OK. Do you want us to come over and shoot her

Heard this doozy this a.m. on local talker WMAL AM 630 in the D.C. metro area.

Woman calls up 911, operator calmly asks the obligatory what is the nature of the problem question, to which the woman replies that she just came home to find that her 12 year old and 14 year old daughters had been fighting and one had kicked a hole in a door (the 12 year apparently had done so).

She continued on and admits to the operator that her children are "out of control", especially the 12 year old.

The response:

"OK. Do you want us to come over and shoot her?"-- 911 Dispatch Operator Mike Forbess.


WMAL host Michael Graham had the audio from the call. From there the conversation goes into one in which the woman, obviously stunned starts scolding the operator and asks for his name and continues on with the threat to see his supervisor and have him fired.

He apologized for cracking a joke in poor taste, and continued on in a more professional manner, all while the woman, who just moments ago was calling 911, the number reserved for reporting EMERGENCIES - life and death situations normally, continues to berate him for not responding to "her emergency" with anything other than a joke asking if police should be dispatched to shoot the out of control child.


So many things wrong here worth discussion and addressing.

First, to the 911 operator. The guy was wrong, completely and totally, for cracking any jokes about the woman's problems. Especially for cracking a joke about dispatching someone over to shoot the troublesome daughter. Should he lose his job over it? Not in my opinion. A stiff reprimand, definitely. Loss of vacation time, suspension without pay, something similar, yes. Something that gives him a good reminder to not joke about stuff like this again. According to what I heard on the radio show, he was reprimanded, but not fired. Also, according to the radio show, the woman continues to press to have the individual fired.

Now, on to the woman. Personally, I agree with some of the call-in's for the radio show. She should be charged with mis-use of the emergency 911 system. When she called, her children were not directly out of control (sorry, I wish I had an .mp3 audio clip or transcript to link to). It became even more obvious as she berated the operator that she was not in an emergency situation, especially since she had time to dress-down the operator and threaten to have him fired.

Further, if she believed that her children were uncontrollable, then perhaps she should have a visit from CPS (Child Protective Services) so they can come take those uncontrollable children away and place them in a new home. If that had been result of the original 911 call, then she'd be screaming bloody murder that she's been wronged and she's not an unfit mother.


It saddens and frustrates me to read that there are places in the country where people dial into 911 and are met with busy signals, or requests to hold please. No one in an emergency should face such circumstances. 911 is for emergency service. It's not for people that can't control their kids (probably because they didn't believe in spanking the little hooligans to begin with).

Anyway, I'm sure someone out here will tell me I'm wrong, and that quote merits firing the operator. Feel free.
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Can you believe this one?? ;~D

I mean, I remember me and my patients doing a lot more laughing on my ambulance than the average Joe would expect. I even remember a few firm lectures on the lack of professionalism being displayed when I played old Swing Tunes on my harmonica for one older patient. However, part of my job was to size up the situation and make decisions based on my patient's disposition. In other words, if I didn't think the patient would appreciate me getting a few laughs out of them, or old Swing standards, I erred on the side of not doing it!

Dispatchers don't have that luxury, whether it is a full on heart attack, or the broken toenails or 3 aspirin suicide attempts I've written of earlier, the person who dials 9-11 is usually under the impression that the end of the world has occured.

While I can imagine getting a person with belly pain laughing, I can't imagine the situation where offering to come shoot a caller's kids is appropriate. Even if it was just "joking". ;~D
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terp,

While I agree with your assessment of the misuse of the 911 system,I take SERIOUS issue with your press for CPS involvement. We have to get away from the police state mentality that would snatch up kids from parents at their whim.

The dispatcher was in serious error, though. While I agree that he shouldn't be fired,I believe a SERIOUS reprimand is in order; jokes should be offlimits for 911 dispatchers. Imagine, if you will, a scenario where a mother calls and her child returns with a gun to shoot her. While it's not a likely scenario, the possibility IS there.

The mother, I believe, was exasperated and trying to deal with her children. While the 911 call was out of order, many parents are ill informed as to where to seek help when they are about to lose it. There's a current blog in the forums on this very topic.

Frankly, I believe that what is needed where the mother is concerned is better education about where to find the proper resources.
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I take SERIOUS issue with your press for CPS involvement.


Honestly, I don't really want CPS involved, but it's almost like that is what the woman was asking for when she called.

What does she expect the authorities to do? She wants the cops to come to her home and provide a stern lecture to her un-ruly children? Never mind that she left the home with the two children alone, so they were able to fight between themselves while she was gone. They were able to damage her property (the door in the home with the hole kicked in it) because she wasn't there providing supervision, no?

Would I want CPS involved? No, but again, it's almost what the woman deserved once she picked up the phone and made the call.

She should have handled the problem herself, and not been looking for someone to handle her non-emergency as if it was an emergency.

You are right, she needed to educate herself better on proper resources to use for the situation, and she should have used those. Calling the police might not have been a bad idea, but use a non-emergency number. Or perhaps call the children's father, or their grand-parents, or involve a friend or neighbor that could assist. But again, don't try to make it an emergency just because you can't get your child to go their room or behave as if they are under your control.


I've had issues with my 16 year old son who is big enough to give me a heckuva fight if we should come to arms. He knows that he better respect me, especially if he expects respect from me. He's been on the receiving end of corporal punishment a few times, and he knows he's not just hearing hollow threats if I tell him to behave or else. I've had friends and co-workers in past work lives that have been completely averse to spanking a child. Their child was a total terror. I hate to tell someone else how to handle their kids, but that child deserved a serious butt whipping for the lip she gave her parents.

I fear that we are far too lax on our children today, and because of it, our kids have become less respectful to us. I hope things improve, but we seem to be headed in completely the opposite direction
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People call 911 for anything, especially in bigger cities. The operator was probably tired of answering the phone for yet another inane problem, rather than a real emergency. I feel sorry for them. So many stupid people out there.
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Never mind that she left the home with the two children alone, so they were able to fight between themselves while she was gone.


Well, in my opinion, the two kids are more than old enough to stay home by themselves, anyway. Kids are babysitting for other people at that age, after all.
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I fear that we are far too lax on our children today, and because of it, our kids have become less respectful to us. I hope things improve, but we seem to be headed in completely the opposite direction


I think one reason many parents ARE too lax is that they have come to fear the CPS. I recall a situation in Wisconsin where, within the first week of kindergarten, a child came home and stated to her mom that if the mom ever spanked her again, she was going to call the cops.

The mother, after explaining the consequences to this young child, promptly removed her from the public school system and began homeschooling.

In short, the law needs to SUPPORT parents' reasonable attempts at discipline,NOT prosecute them!
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In short, the law needs to SUPPORT parents' reasonable attempts at discipline,NOT prosecute them!


Not if you live in England....it's illegal there, now to hit your child in any way for any reason. Liberlism run amok.
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In short, the law needs to SUPPORT parents' reasonable attempts at discipline,NOT prosecute them!


Not if you live in England....it's illegal there, now to hit your child in any way for any reason. Liberlism run amok.


More like "gross stupidity" if you ask me.