What Liberalism GAVE ME.

60's thru now

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April 1966 liberals spit on me, broke my spirit and condemned me to a life I did not deserve,

Liberalism and its permissive attitudes ALLOWED massive drug use and free sex for all.

I was a liberal in many ways till my eyes opened up, then I became a moderate dem, then I left the dems and became a Republican, now as more lunitics fill the ranks of the democratic party I am on my way to becomeing a conservative, just to balance out the morons that run the leftwing.

Liberal attitudes helped me get the disease that is killing me slowly. {viral load count over 5 million 800 thousand}

I saw the liberals scorn the vets of a different day, while allowing the influx of vietnamese people to swell, make sure they had a place to live, loaned them money to get started in america, while letting 10's of thousands of vietnam vets get flushed down the toilet.

Now as I sit slowly watching my liver fail, dieing by increments I wish I never heard of liberals and the dumn crap they allow.
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Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'm not sure blaming an immigrant class of people will address the spread of hepatitus. I think the condition is affecting you in ways you have not noticed.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
*spit*


"jerk-off!
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: MyrranderPosted: Tuesday, April 12, 2005*spit*


you are one the ones that is still angry, from your high school monitor days #BITCH SLAP# punk
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: SlandererPosted: Tuesday, April 12, 2005I'm not sure blaming an immigrant class of people will address the spread of hepatitus. I think the condition is affecting you in ways you have not noticed.


I live in this body and brain < i Know what goes on, including anger.. fuck off.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: drmilerPosted: Tuesday, April 12, 2005*spit*"jerk-off!


the lil bitch would have to have a penis to "jerk off" with, lil gutless maggot..
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Aren't the republicans the ones demanding personal responsibility when it comes to sex,(different article on JU) yet you feel free to blame your bad decisions on a political party?
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Aren't the republicans the ones demanding personal responsibility when it comes to sex,(different article on JU) yet you feel free to blame your bad decisions on a political party?


What bad decisions are you talking about? Have you gone crackers? You don't get hep c from sex.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Sugar High ElfPosted: Tuesday, April 12, 2005Aren't the republicans the ones demanding personal responsibility when it comes to sex,(different article on JU) yet you feel free to blame your bad decisions on a political party


no I take responsibility for ALL MY DECISIONS bad and good, it was the permissive attitude that lead me down a bad path. I willingly went there.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: SlandererPosted: Tuesday, April 12, 2005Look at this way, you got a gift that keeps on giving.


look at it another way.... could I offer you a nice blood transfusion? I would gladly, freely give you all the blood you need if you were ver injured.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
What bad decisions are you talking about? Have you gone crackers? You don't get hep c from sex


Well, I've always been crackers... but no, I was simply saying that he seemed to be blaming bad decisions on a party while belonging to a party that wants people to claim full personal responsibilities. I was only sighting another article as an example.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Sugar High ElfPosted: Tuesday, April 12, 2005What bad decisions are you talking about? Have you gone crackers? You don't get hep c from sexWell, I've always been crackers... but no, I was simply saying that he seemed to be blaming bad decisions on a party while belonging to a party that wants people to claim full personal responsibilities. I was only sighting another article as an example.


I never blamed a party I blamed liberal attitudes and permissive behavior sugar, re read article.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
April 1966 liberals spit on me, broke my spirit and condemned me to a life I did not deserve


don't take this the wrong way please, but despite having spent a good deal of time and having enlisted several professional researchers who were for me the pre-google equivalent of google, i've been unable to confirm an incident in which anyone spit on a returning vietnam veteran. i'm thinking that if someone had even attempted to spit on you, it woulda been a long, long while before they were able to do much more than drool on themselves.

i'd be very interested in knowing if you meant that figuratively.

let me also say i'm terribly sorry you're having to deal with hep c--and i sincerely hope things go as well as possible for you. i'm also hopeful there will soon be an effective treatment (which isn't as unlikely as it might seem--while it took about 50 years to develop a vaccine/treatment protocols for hep b, they started at point 0 and hadnt anything close to today's technology or understanding of virii).

what you characterize as the liberal attitudes and permissive behavior of the 60s & 70s was born of the repressive conformity of several earlier generations, just as surely as when air is compressed it becomes heated...should it then be subsequently relased into a space where it can expand, ya get refrigeration.

we're all products of our time and as i'm sure you'll agree, even in the most temperate times, it's a wonder anyone lives to the age of 20 considering none of us has any sense of our own mortality or respect for consequences.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
You don't get hep c from sex.


you clearly need to do a little more research.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
You don't get hep c from sex.


you clearly need to do a little more research.


Although it *can* be gotten from sexual contact that is not the major or usual way of contracting the illness.



Hepatitus C

Description: The hepatitis C virus (HCV) is a type of hepatitis that is mostly transmitted intravenously, through a blood transfusion, sharing needles while using illegal drugs, or an accidental "needle-stick" in a health care setting. Hepatitis C often leads to chronic liver disease.



General
IV Drug abuse
Race
Transfusion related
Transmission, nosocomial
Transmission, sexual
Transmission, vertical
Transplantation
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
No, it's not fair to blame the victim, but it also isn't fair to blame an ideology. Did liberals hold you down and stick dirty needles in you? I know I'm missing details here but it seems difficult to come up with a scenario that could allow a mindset to be at fault here.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top

don't take this the wrong way please, but despite having spent a good deal of time and having enlisted several professional researchers who were for me the pre-google equivalent of google, i've been unable to confirm an incident in which anyone spit on a returning vietnam veteran.

Talk to my Sister.  She was one of the spitters.  Or talk to me.  I worked at Camp Pendleton, Las Pulgas area.  Any Jar head can tell you about that back in 68-70.

I dont need google to find it.  I saw and lived it.  But then I did not se the holocaust, so maybe that is made up as well.

Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: MyrranderPosted: Tuesday, April 12, 2005
*spit*

I see where our loony loopy luddite liberal has issued his most profound statement to date.  At least something other than stupidity came out of his foul mouth.

Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
(Case in point, our revered liberal teacher here on JU advocating inhalant abuse.)


I guess that is why the wisest thing to come out of his mouth was just spit.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: kingbeePosted: Wednesday, April 13, 2005April 1966 liberals spit on me, broke my spirit and condemned me to a life I did not deservedon't take this the wrong way please, but despite having spent a good deal of time and having enlisted several professional researchers who were for me the pre-google equivalent of google, i've been unable to confirm an incident in which anyone spit on a returning vietnam veteran. i'm thinking that if someone had even attempted to spit on you, it woulda been a long, long while before they were able to do much more than drool on themselves. i'd be very interested in knowing if you meant that figuratively.


thank you kingbee, and figuratively it was.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: little_whipPosted: Wednesday, April 13, 2005I've had HepC for over 20 years, and have never infected a partner. The chance is miniscule, provided that no blood to blood exchange of fluids occurs. Long term studies have been done on monogamous partners engaged in regular, unprotected sex, where one is infected and the other isnt, and it's exceedingly rare for the healthy partner to catch it, even after 10 years. It has happened, though, so I've always informed my partners and let them make their choice.MM, from your article I can only guess that you may have caught this disease via IV drug use? If you weren't engaged in that, and since sexual transmission is so rare, you could have gotten it from dental work with improperly cleaned instruments, tattooing, transfusion, or other direct contact with contaminated blood.I've been through the same chemo you had, (only my shots were 3x week, they didn't have the time released interferon yet) and while I haven't had a viral load count done lately, my regular liver panel has been coming back normal for 4 years now. As you know, I've also developed R/A, and while research is scant, there are some studies that now point to a connection between the use of interferon and subsequent affliction with R/A.Seems you can't win for losing sometimes, eh buddy?Have heart, MM..vent that anger when it wells up inside, and to hell with these fuckers on JU that turn their noses up at your rage, pretending to be so "above all that." They aren't living with a fatal disease, yet they seem to like to play amateur psychologists by telling you how you should feel.To the rest of you, particularly the liberals amongst us, why blame the victim? You'd be horrified to hear folks attack a gay person for having caught AIDS due to their own bad choices in life, yet feel perfectly justified in doing this to MM.In closing, it aint over till it's over, MM.....any chance for a transplant?


the odds of catching hep c from sex is about 1 in 50000 not a real chance at all, but it does happen, the docs WILL NOT transplant a healthy liver in an inferted body {unless you david crosby or micky mantle} and yes I was needle user until 1970, I prolly got it then or tatooes later.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: ZoombaPosted: Wednesday, April 13, 2005No, it's not fair to blame the victim, but it also isn't fair to blame an ideology. Did liberals hold you down and stick dirty needles in you? I know I'm missing details here but it seems difficult to come up with a scenario that could allow a mindset to be at fault here.


sighhhhhh I blame the aTTITUDE OF THE TIME ZOOMBA. drug use was rampant, so was unprotected sex, this came after the 1950's and early 60's when both {drug use and sex} were considered an anthema. ok? really I accept responsibility for all my actions, my choice ok?
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: little_whipPosted: Wednesday, April 13, 2005I know I'm missing details here but it seems difficult to come up with a scenario that could allow a mindset to be at fault here.I agree that his anger is a bit misguided, because the atmosphere of free love (read: reckless promiscuity) and "turn on, tune in, and drop out" (read: let's fry our brains by any means possible) seduced the youth of this nation regardless of their political persuasion.Hell, I was getting loaded every chance I got, and I was apolitical back then, couldnt have told you the difference between a Democrat or a Republican, and couldn't have cared less, either.I think the generalized permissiveness of the Democratic Party is what MM is railing about here, a permissiveness that encouraged that atmosphere and still does today. (Case in point, our revered liberal teacher here on JU advocating inhalant abuse.)


perfect........
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
apoint I would like to make.... we were warned about possible confrontations with civilians upon return, we were "protected" so not to cause a scene that could get ugly fast, after all just a few days before we were in the killing fields, and the military was very worried about civilian casualities from real pissed off vets that would not have taken being spit on lightly.