JU Libs: Thanks for the nudge towards Independent

Your endless rants and whining have helped me see the err of my ways

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This one is for you, the extreme liberals of JoeUser who have spent the past year and a half I've regularly blogged here screaming, stomping and gnashing teeth over the pure evil that is George Bush and the vile conspiracies of the Right. You have helped me further define my political views, my stances on issues and my attitude towards our government and the world at large.

Thanks to you, I intend to re-register as an Independent. That's a change AWAY from Democrat.

I grew up in a University town, an area dominated by liberal thinkers. I saw the countless campus protests all my life. I listened to my father rant and rail against Republicans. My sister went to one of the protests in Washington D.C a few years ago. Several of my friends back home are far far left animal rights and nature nuts. I lived my life in a liberal's dream location. The conservatives were few and generally laughed at, and all was well in our little blue town amidst a sea of red counties. My views fit in well, I was as left as you got and was against just about anything closely related to the Right. I was a Loopy Luddite Lefty and I admit it. But then something important happened...

I went to College, I was exposed to people with different ideas. I later moved away from my hometown, away from the Reality Distortion Field that surrounds any University town and ventured out into the wonders of the "Real World" where I was exposed to even more ideas and differing thoughts. It was from this new distance however that I began to see the sheer stupidity of some of the tactics of the left. Then I saw the way people here were behaving and realized that it wasn't something confined to the little town I came from... it was beginning to look like the insantiy was a bit wider spread.

Add to all of this the last election. Bush won again, and this time there couldn't really be any claims of "stealing" the election or whatever. Yet, most of the people I knew were still screaming, wailing, gnashing their teeth over the outcome. In fact, months later THEY STILL ARE. They try to blame absolutely everything that's going wrong in the US and the World on Bush. World hunger? Bush did it! Trade Defecit? Didn't exist before Bush! Social Security? Bush wants to kill old people! It's just plain ridiculous.

The constant complaining, the irrational hatred is just getting to be too much for me. This sentiment isn't limited to extremists in the party anymore either, we see it in Washington with Dem congressmen voting against everything Bush puts up just because it's Bush. I don't think I want to be associated anymore with a group that has made their sole platform "Everything that Bush says is wrong" It's petty, reactionary and lacks any sense of drive, vision or future. I want out. You all have proven to me that this is not a group to be affiliated with.

Now, I'm not jumping the fence to the Right. I'm still a pretty damn liberal guy on a number of issues, but I'm also reasonable enough to recognize the merits of conservative policies as well. I've grown more moderate as a result of how people here on JU, as well as those I know in real life react to politics. This is why I'm moving to Independent. Sure, I won't be able to vote in primaries, but I will feel more free to vote my mind across party lines. I won't have to deal with people calling me a bad Democrat or whatever. I'll be registered as what I am, one who thinks independently of either major party.

I voted against Bush. I disagreed with the Iraq invasion. I support ongoing efforts in Iraq to shore up the government and ensure the save eventual withdrawl of our troops when the time is right. I am against any law banning Gay Marraige as such a law is entirely based upon Religion which I feel has no place in our laws. I am against attempts to sanitize our language so as to not offend gender, race or creed since attempts to do so stifle free speech. I have a mailman damnit! Not a mailPERSON. I favor help programs for the poor and unemployed as a method to rehabilitate, not as a method to sustain them for years and years. I am in favor of revisions to Social Security to make it a more streamlined process, and less of a political mess. I support the death penalty and am pro-choice. I think we need to be consistent and strong in our foreign policies, but do not think we have the right to dictate to other nations how they should behave.

I'm done with the Democratic party until such a time comes around that it expells its crazy fanatics and actually starts addressing real issues instead of reacting to things they don't like.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top

Ahhh yess...

"If only you knew the power of the dark side... Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete..."

I'm taking applications for a new apprentice, the last one met with an... unfortunate end... MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!

 

Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
LOL! So Independent is really the Sith? Do I get to pick my color of lightsaber?
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top

Over in the Venezuala discussion Myrrander wrote:

Chavez is the new Castro. The difference is that he has oil leverage. It makes me laugh. I hope he fucks the US with a big rubber dick.

And that blogger isn't even as far left as many of the bloggers on this site.   I find some of the right-wing posts on JU quite obnoxious and I tend to skip over them.  However, at least they're not hoping for bad things to happen to the United States and its people. 

Many on the American left aren't just against some US policy, they're anti-American.  They WANT bad things to happen to the US and its people.

Take the statement above to its logical conclusion - if gas prices went way up, who is hurt? The poor that liberals insincerely claim to care so much about.

You would be pretty hard pressed to find right of center Americans HOPING for bad things to happen to the US.  And that's why so many moderate people are being pushed to the right.  They don't want to be associated with people who hope for bad things to happen to us.

Reply #4 from PolMach Forums Top
And that blogger isn't even as far left as many of the bloggers on this site. I find some of the right-wing posts on JU quite obnoxious and I tend to skip over them. However, at least they're not hoping for bad things to happen to the United States and its people.


--First thing, If one of those comments were by me, i apologize, and 2] that seems[from what i've seen] to be a majority,so do you get to read were the topic is going? J/K

you would be pretty hard pressed to find right of center Americans HOPING for bad things to happen to the US. And that's why so many moderate people are being pushed to the right. They don't want to be associated with people who hope for bad things to happen to us.


--Want me to say it? J/K [I pretty pro american, occassionally anti-ignorance.....,so no worries]



Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Send this to Little Whip and show her why we need to Keep Dabe!
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
I've seen some of the extremism on the Right here, but it usually takes a different form from the Left. On the Left it's a hope that the US fails in some way or has vengence visited upon them. The far right has a habit of labeling anyone who disagrees with them as traitors that should get the hell out of the US. Don't like the Iraq war? You must be an unpatriotic bastard and should just move to Canada!

The thing is right now, since the war is pretty much decided, those people have largely quieted down, so now we're left with frustrated Liberals who can't accept that they lost fair and square and that their ideas and policies do not appeal to the majority of the population like they would think.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Welcome to the world of us who like to look at the world and decide a few things for ourselves!!
Reply #8 from PolMach Forums Top
The thing is right now, since the war is pretty much decided, those people have largely quieted down, so now we're left with frustrated Liberals who can't accept that they lost fair and square and that their ideas and policies do not appeal to the majority of the population like they would think.


--I think you hit the nail on the liberals coffin there..... J/K but you do have a point...
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
*smile*

Hyperbolic language is the only thing that gets a response most of the time. So I tend to talk a bit more extreme than I feel. I also have a really dark sense of humor, and that's where the "big rubber dick" comment springs from.

But thanks for quoting me. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

And Zoomba? Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way over to the right. Can you take Sen. Byrd with you?
Reply #10 from PolMach Forums Top
BTW, you are liberal, correct? Me, i am pretty much a Centrist,occasionally on certain topics i lean to either side...but mostly a centrist...
Reply #11 from PolMach Forums Top
Was, talking to Myrr...[just to clear up to whom i was referring to in the last post]
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top

And Zoomba? Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way over to the right. Can you take Sen. Byrd with you?

Sorry, the days of you whitewashing your sins and problems are over.  You have to deal with him yourself.

Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
On my way over to the right? Hardly! On my way to the middle? Absolutely. Away from the fanatical left? Definitely.
Reply #14 from PolMach Forums Top
On my way over to the right? Hardly! On my way to the middle? Absolutely. Away from the fanatical left? Definitely.


Welcome zoomba to the greatly Intellegent, minimal ignorance part of the spectrum....The Moderates/Centrists.....
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
Unfortunately Joe, the Repubs are too close to the Dimos for my taste.

However, as for the Dimos, I fear that the irrational behavior of the left will cause us more problems with terrorists in the near future. By knee jerk opposition to the immigration problem; the political use of the Abu Ghraib (Sp) harrassment of the terrorists that has resulted in ineffective interogation proceedures that curtails the collection of meaningful intelligence information; the PC approach to profiling that prevents identifying potential terrorists; and the opposition to the Patriot Act could result in future terrorist attacks in this country.

My point is: support for the Dimos, i.e. the left, is dangerous and we cannot afford to indulge the stupidity of the left because the results could be the deaths of thousands of US citizens. We must consider using drastic methods to rein in the left before we pay a heavy price.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
Historical Accuracy: (Man I wish I remember to disable anon users more often)
I find the flat-out discounting of a good chunk of the country to be more dangerous than any of the crazier left-wing platforms. There is a fine line to walk here that you are crossing much like the extreme left is crossing. You want to swing the far other direction, which scares the hell out of me.

You would forfeit personal freedoms and rights in the interest of having a safer state. That reasoning can keep being applied to further extend government powers to an unpleasant extreme. Every time we take away freedoms to ensure or better safety, we are playing into the hands of the terrorists. They hate us because we are free. They want to impose a totalitarian control over all the world. We play into their hands when we start enacting laws that do just that. Their goal isn't to just blow shit up, their goal is to cause a change in our society. To instill fear, distrust and to help topple our freedoms. This is why we must balance measures to ensure safety, with measures to ensure freedom and equality regardless of who you are. To do any less makes us no better than the fanatics who rail against us.

We need stronger rules on immigration, better procedures to obtain documentation, we need to work WITH other nations to improve airport security as well as protect the lanes of traffic in and out of this country. We do NOT need to abridge personal freedoms to do this. Innocent until proven guilty, the right to a fair and speedy trail, the right to equal protection under the law. I would rather die in an attack as a free man than live safely in a state that has taken my freedom from me.

I would contend that we more need to pursue drastic measures to rein in your type of policies as they are more damaging to freedom and liberty than a nutjob with a bomb is. Someone attacks us and we remain free regardless. Yes, some die, but we as a people remain free. In your world we would still be attacked as it's impossible to protect against someone willing to die for their cause, but we lose our freedom as a consequence.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Very high sounding sentiments, however, let us address a more practical scenerio. That is: the FBI or CIA captures a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer and forced to use the interrogation methods that the left advocates, does not gain information that could avert an attack that costs the lives of thousands. What if your loved ones, God forbid, were killed in the homicide bomber attack? Later, you find out that the Govt had a terrorist in custody that, if he could have been interrogated properly, could have revealed the attack particulars. Having sustained a personal loss, would you, the survivor, remain so charitable to the causes of the left? I think not. If you say, honestly, that you would still be in favor of the goals of the left, well, I can only attritube this mind set to utter stupidity.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
I can not say for certain that I would remain favorable or move against my above statement. I would likely react in anger, and want everyone connected to the attack slaughtered mercilessly. That doesn't make my position right, it makes it vengance. In some cases we need to step back from immediate personal impacts and examine what would provide the greatest benefit to the US. You should not legislate for the minority in ways the negatively impact the majority.

I do not want my loss to be the catalyst that causes freedom to be erroded.

Should we ban guns based on the minority who use them to kill people? Should we ban violent video games because some kids try and immitate them? Should we ban certain kinds of music because it might inspire violence and godlessness?

Should we errode freedoms because a few might abuse them?
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
zoomba,

I urge you to strongly consider the Libertarian Party. By being a party of inclusion, there is room for a great diversity of thought within our ranks (and believe me, this shows up in party meetings!
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Byrd has more in common with the GOP rank and file than he does the left these days. Most ex-KKK members I've met are righties. Including one on this very site.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top

Byrd has more in common with the GOP rank and file than he does the left these days. Most ex-KKK members I've met are righties. Including one on this very site.

Must be a self introspection piece there. Boo!  Go fly your sheet elsewhere.

Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
Thinly veiled attacks against other members is not something I appreciate on my blog Myrr (or anyone else for that matter). I respect your disagreements with others but ask that you keep it to your own site.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
Forget the Republicans or Democrats, vote Populist and Free Silver! (or failing that, you might consider the Bull Moose party)

there can be only one...........
Reply #24 from PolMach Forums Top
VOTE APATHY PARTY [oops, if you actually vote, you are out of the party,because....WE DONT CARE]

--Seriously though, vote your conscience..
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top

VOTE APATHY PARTY [oops, if you actually vote, you are out of the party,because....WE DONT CARE]

I tried registering with them, but they said that showed I was not apathetic enough!