Iraq protestors tell U S to go home

Tens of thousands in Baghdad and Ramadi chant "NO, NO to Satan" , burned American Flags along with cutouts of Bush, Saddam and Blair as American soldiers watch from behind concrete and barbed wire barriers. What a sad demonstration after the death of over 1,500 Americans, 35,000 injuries and $300 Billon dollars. Bush should be proud of the feeling shown by the Iraq people to the war he brought to their country. Where is the reception of thanks we were told would take place after we removed Saddam? Rather then thanks, our president is put on the same level as Saddam who we removed from power and our flag is burned while our military is forced to watch. It is time to leave this rat hole of a country!

Why is I can find NO mention of this "anywhere" on the net, with the exception of someones blog site?

Try Earthlink Top News. Sorry it is real and a very sad story!

Why is I can find NO mention of this "anywhere" on the net, with the exception of someones blog site?

It happened, it just didn't happen quite like presented here. Anti-american sentiment was present, but not nearly at the level this article would lead you to believe. Also this "million man" march was led by that murdering asshole, Al-Sadr and his merry band of fanatics, so the real surprise isn't that some of the protesters were anti-American, but that they only killed one official, and that after the demonstrations. But then again, why car bomb your own folks?

Here's a link to the Reuters article
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Al Sadr may have organized it, but it attracted tens of thousands of protesters. I don't think that's an insignificant number. And, it's indicative of the numbers of people who just want the US the hell out of their country. This is quite the dilemma for dubya. They do hate us, unfortunately. We made a miserable mess over there.

Not to mention they might be pissed about the fact that we have killed an estimate of anywhere from 30,000-100,000 Iraqi civillians.

There were hundreds of thousands of protesters HERE in the United States. Didn't change the fact that most Americans supported the war.

Moreover, Iraq has an elected government. If they don't want the US there, all they have to do is say the word.

BTW, "Wise" American, please point to a reputable estimate that we "killed" 30k to 100k Iraqi Civilians.

Moreover, Iraq has an elected government. If they don't want the US there, all they have to do is say the word.

I'd be amazed if the Iraqi government asked the US to leave, and the US just left. That will never happen. Besides, by virtue of the US intervention in the Iraqi elections, I kind of doubt they will just ask us to leave. Time will tell.

As for most Americans supporting the war, I do believe that the numbers are dwindling. People don't appreciate being swindled, and it's becoming more and more evident that that is exactly what happened. I think the estimate for American support has dropped to somewhere in the 45%ish range, but I'll have to check that number.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1369548,00.html

http://journalism.berkeley.edu/projects/election2004/row/archives/2004/10/iraqi_death_cou.html

http://www.andrewphelps.com/archives/2004/10/28/guardian_100000_iraqi_civilians_dead

Sorry I do not make stuff up.

If you want I could throw about 100 more of those your way.

yep gene and millions of whiney liberals stand and cheered this crap perpatreted by a few thousand shites with an agenda. besides what is your imaginary "tens of thousands" compared to the 8 and 1/2 million that voted or the FACT if not for america NOT ONE OF THOSE SAME iraquis COULD have protested because SADDAM would have killed them.

Saddam didn't have to kill them we killed them for him.

Sorry I do not make stuff up.

Sorry, but only the first of your links are working, man.

Also, got anything from "legit" news sources? Not saying Berkely's just a LITTLE bit biased or anything, but circular reporting(well somebody said it here, and they quoted somebody else, it must be true....)is best avoided wherever possible.

I know that's annoying at best, but you probably would want better sources if I were to quote statistics off of a conservative opinion page. (frankly I avoid statistics wherever possible, I know that I'm just trying to justify what is my opinion/sense of morality, and statistics are easily manipulated to support it)

Damn second is from a news paper based out of the UK. Basically they also did a survey of Iraqi households and this is where they got their figures from as well, between 30,000-100,000 as well. I found an American Millitary website reporting 20,000 civillian deaths as of Jan. 2005 but I tend not to trust the pentagon as far as I could throw it.

If anyone feels like petitioning to find out the real body count in Iraq here is a link.

http://www.countthecasualties.org.uk/

I know it is british based but hey any real number would be better than guessing.

Links to articles that publish people's claims that have no evidence tied to them is just as baseless. It's only one step than linking to one of your own posts making the claim.

Here's a clue: Editorial writers giving opinions are not fact makers.

From your first link:

Iraq Body Count's ongoing tally of recorded civilian deaths is based on official Iraqi figures, media reports and information from aid organisations. It does not pretend to be a complete count, but stands at between 14,619 and 16,804 deaths.

Three things about this: 1) It's a LOT less than 100,000 (or 30,000). and 2) It doesn't claim these people died at the hands of Americans. 3) It's far less than the 100,000 or so children that people like you used to claim died each year due to the sanctions.

Certainly not a "complete" count but on the other hand, it doesn't distinguish between those killed by UNINTENTIONAL American actions and those slaughtered at the hands of terrorists with car bombs and the like. 

There's nothing "wise" about regurgitating left-wing propaganda.  Before we invaded the left complained that sanctions were starving thousands of innocent Iraqi's per month.  When we invade you complain that there were casualties.  That's why guys like you never have any real influence. It's just empty chattering.

Do you know how many Japanese civilians died in World War II? Millions.  Germans? Ditto.  Strange though that they are allies of the US.  Hence, your argument is non sequitor.

I'd be amazed if the Iraqi government asked the US to leave, and the US just left. That will never happen. Besides, by virtue of the US intervention in the Iraqi elections, I kind of doubt they will just ask us to leave. Time will tell. As for most Americans supporting the war, I do believe that the numbers are dwindling. People don't appreciate being swindled, and it's becoming more and more evident that that is exactly what happened. I think the estimate for American support has dropped to somewhere in the 45%ish range, but I'll have to check that number.

Why would the US stay? Oh that's right, you think it's about the oil right?  The $10 billion in Iraqi oil exports a year is just so crucial.. 

The US went in to remove Saddam.  As far as I'm concerned, the mission has long since been complete and we're only there out of a moral obligation to help Iraq rebuild.  IF their democratically elected government asked us to leave, most "neocons" (people like me) would be more than happy to see our troops come home.

Secondly, let's say for the sake of argument that 100% of Americans today are against our military presence in Iraq.  That's totally irrelevant because the point I was making was that when those massive anti-war protests wree taking place support for invading Iraq was in the solid 60%'s.  Therefore, some protest is not indicative of overall support for a cause.

Some people revel in this kind of shit just to have another excuse to spit at "Dubya." If a photo appeared of an American soldier with an Iraqi infant spiked on his bayonet, they'd squeeze one off in their jeans in joy, not that they'd admit it. Their selfishness knows no limits and lacks all respect and sense of perspective. But then, they live in a country where that's jes cool, so let 'em spit.

Cheers,
Daiw

Reply By: Wise AmericanPosted: Saturday, April 09, 2005Saddam didn't have to kill them we killed them for him

wow, did that take all you feeble skills to come up with the erroneos assumption? So in your world a wise american is someone that parrots falsehoods hoping if they repeat the lies long anough and loud enough it might come true?

The truth is that many people in Iraq are glad Saddam is no longer in power. There are very few that thank the U S for invading Iraq and they want us OUT! It is time to GET OUT. Bush will however do what he wants not what the Iraq people want! His position on EVERYTHING is that Saint George knows best. Just support what ever he wants.- People, Congress and the courts. Like he said after the election in 2000, a dictatorship would be easier so long as he was the Dictator!

The truth is that many people in Iraq are glad Saddam is no longer in power. There are very few that thank the U S for invading Iraq and they want us OUT! It is time to GET OUT. Bush will however do what he wants not what the Iraq people want! His position on EVERYTHING is that Saint George knows best. Just support what ever he wants.- People, Congress and the courts. Like he said after the election in 2000, a dictatorship would be easier so long as he was the Dictator!

I'm sorry but this is strictly your opinion. And the numbers say your wrong also!

There are very few that thank the U S for invading Iraq and they want us OUT! It is time to GET OUT.

Evidence? Every independent poll in Iraq show that most Iraqi's are glad the US invaded and toppled Saddam.  And a plurality of Iraqi's want the US to stay until things stabilize.

Hey, I'm all for the US troops coming home. As soon as the Iraqi people feel they're ready to handle things, bring the troops home. You act like the US is somehow getting something out of stationing troops there.

Every independent poll

--When are things ever independant these days....

Hey, I'm all for the US troops coming home. As soon as the Iraqi people feel they're ready to handle things, bring the troops home.

--If we leave to early, and iraq falls to terrorists,or whoever, then we will have failed, we as americans in promoting freedom. And the lives lost would be in vain...

You act like the US is somehow getting something out of stationing troops there.

--Didn't you know Draginol,Oil.

Also, think about this you anti-war,anti-bushies,Demi's...who ever...

My Question is: "Even after we first invaded iraq and things were being proven wrong left and right, then why did people enlist in the military, even though they could see that things were ' wrong ' with the war..." Hmm?

I'm all for war, so long as it's done the right way. I have doubts that 1500 dead Americans is doing th job the right way. I don't blame the President. I blame the U.N. SOBs, the military lawyers, and judges, who bury many good men with their pencil-neck legalities of use of armed force, treatment of protected people and places. I say kill them all, and let the Lord and historians sort out later. Maybe one of them 1500 dead Americans could have written that history had we killed all them SOBs.

Al Sadr may have organized it, but it attracted tens of thousands of protesters. I don't think that's an insignificant number. And, it's indicative of the numbers of people who just want the US the hell out of their country. This is quite the dilemma for dubya. They do hate us, unfortunately. We made a miserable mess over there.

As usual you are just wrong. There are still people who are Saddam loyalists and radicals. This does not represent the entire county of Iraq. Too bad the media just focuses on this and not all the people who are glad we are there. Do you ever take the time to read the stories of Iraqis who help us and still thank soldiers for what they did?

The truth is that many people in Iraq are glad Saddam is no longer in power. There are very few that thank the U S for invading Iraq and they want us OUT!

Wrong again. Iraqis are still thanks the soldiers to this day. Ever wonder why you don't see those stories in the media?