Use a Gun, Go to War!

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Use a Gun, Go to War!

This sounds like a good idea to me. Of course the liberals among us will have a lot to say against it!
reposted from NCM:

Violent Gun-Toters Should be Sent to War
Metropolis Newspaper Group, Commentary,
Jarrette Fellows, Jr., Mar 31, 2005

The problem with America's criminal justice system is, it is too easy on crime - especially murder. Judges and juries routinely hand out sentences for harsh crimes that are laughable.

In Los Angeles in 2003, the Los Angeles Police Department recorded more than 600 homicides. Half were committed in South Los Angeles by young street gang members who harbor powerful illegal and unregistered weapons like 45. caliber and 357. caliber handguns, sawed off shotguns, and automatic assault rifles like Uzis and AK-47s.

Judging from the numbers killed by guns in 2003 and in prior years - in the tens of thousands - the police and county sheriff's departments are hard-pressed to "protect and serve." Good people are sitting ducks.

It also means that young urban thugs have little fear of the judicial gavel, which provides for a weak deterrent to murder. For one thing, California is not nearly as notorious as Texas in laying down the hammer of capital punishment. Murder someone here and you won't die in the gas chamber or by lethal injection, but you will get a long sentence, probably life, depending on the circumstances of the crime.

What's wrong with this picture? Clearly it is ineffective as a deterrent to murder. Remember, 600 persons in L.A. were murdered, most likely shot to death in 2003.

The judicial system should allow for more creativity in meting out punishment for violent crimes augmented by guns. If vicious murderers will not be handed a death sentence, then they should be sent to a war zone, for instance, where U.S. military forces are present, if they want to shoot, especially young urban terrorists with their finger perpetually on the trigger.

The killing fields of Iraq would be a good place to drop off urban gunslingers convicted of murder. It makes little sense to continue sending these violent perpetrators to prison; that's where they hone their morbid tendencies funded by public taxes – yours and mine.

Okay, sure the American Civil Liberties Union will shout that this is a violation of their civil liberties. But what about the civil liberties they took from the people they murdered? How about the increasing numbers of small children and babies who are being killed in the errant cross-fire of rival gang sets? What about their civil liberties?

If it's mayhem that these killers lust for, then a system should be devised whereby perpetrators of violent crimes like drive-by shootings and robberies - once convicted - should be (1) drafted into the U.S. Army or Marine Corps, and carted off to war, or (2) dropped off as "special civilian units" into hot zones of U.S. military campaigns, outfitted with rations and ammo, to fend for themselves for a pre-determined period of time, possibly a 12-month period equal to a soldier's tour of duty. Those who survive the year would be permitted to return to the U.S. under certain conditions similar to those given by the parole board. A return to urban violence, for instance, would mean a return to the war zone.

Street violence is easy for urban gun-totters when no one is armed but Them, when victims are incapable of shooting back. That's cowardly. But in a war zone like the highly dangerous cities, towns and small hamlets of Iraq, where people routinely fire automatic weapons, shoulder-held missile launchers and grenade launchers, I'm not so sure these urban thugs would fare so well. It's a different story when someone's firing back.

The ACLU might consider it cruel to send urban war mongers to a war zone, but is it really cruel? Is it cruel to send a street gangster to a war zone who was convicted of firing into a crowd of people, killing a toddler when his bullet lodged into her cranial, entering through her right eye, as was the case in 2001 near Chesterfield Park in South L.A.?

Is it cruel to send gang thugs to a war zone who murder their victims with armor-piercing bullets loaded into their automatic assault rifles targeted only to soft flesh?

The callousness of real war may serve to shock these gun-totters to their senses - that violence is insane, indeed, and that fratricide perpetrated against themselves defies all description.

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Reply #1 By: Citizen latour999 - 4/3/2005 3:33:55 PM
Why is it that I have a bad feeling about giving someone convicted of a violent crime an assault rifle and dropping them of in Iraq and telling them to kill terrorists is a bad idea? Would you want an Iraqi convicted of attempting to kill Iraqi security forces given an AK-47 and told to help out the police where you live? This is just asking for trouble, the likes of which would make Abu Ghraib look pale by comparison. It's not the convicts I'm worried about, it's the Iraqi citizens.

Reply #2 By: Citizen Texas Wahine - 4/3/2005 3:42:17 PM
Gun-toting thugs do not have the discipline needed to be placed in a combat zone. It would be disasterous...a danger to our troops and to Iraqi civilians.

Reply #3 By: Citizen latour999 - 4/3/2005 4:10:04 PM
Gun-toting thugs do not have the discipline needed to be placed in a combat zone. It would be disasterous...a danger to our troops and to Iraqi civilians.

agreed

Reply #4 By: dabe - 4/3/2005 4:52:44 PM
Yet another dumbasss idea from this rightwing deathcult loving dumbass

Reply #5 By: Citizen ParaTed2k - 4/3/2005 5:13:14 PM
I guess this is just the three brain cells that I have that still think like an NCO, but who's going to hold a gun on the California Convict Conflict Corps? ;~D

For the hopelessly violent thug, I still recommend putting them all on a desert island somewhere and let them be as violent to each other as they wanna be!

Reply #6 By: Citizen latour999 - 4/3/2005 5:20:46 PM
Yet another dumbasss idea from this rightwing deathcult loving dumbass

Well, I wouldn't say drmiler is a dumbass, just this is a really bad idea.

Reply #7 By: Citizen Enigmatic Jester - 4/3/2005 5:51:52 PM
For the hopelessly violent thug, I still recommend putting them all on a desert island somewhere and let them be as violent to each other as they wanna be!

Convicts on a deserted island could make a great reality TV show! The show would pit them against gamers controlling remote-controlled machines, and if the gamer won, he'd win a prize! And if he didn't, well, he'd receive a consolation prize.

Reply #8 By: Citizen drmiler - 4/3/2005 6:28:20 PM

Yet another dumbasss idea from this rightwing deathcult loving dumbass

I told draginol (brad) I would do this! He obviously did not take what I wrote very seriously. DABE for the LAST time take your foul smelling, shit spewing, fucking ass off of my blog. I will NOT deal with this shit anymore. I have said something about this 4 times to the administration and NOTHING was done about it. Fine I'll take care of it myself.

Reply #9 By: Citizen drmiler - 4/3/2005 6:35:25 PM
Yet another dumbasss idea from this rightwing deathcult loving dumbass

Well, I wouldn't say drmiler is a dumbass, just this is a really bad idea.

First off you'll notice that I did NOT think this up. Secondly this might make some yoyo stop and think. Most violent thugs are HUGH cowards. Stick a pistol in their face and watch the floor under them get wet. If they think "Hey if I do this I could end up getting shot" they might not be so quick to do something so stupid.

Reply #10 By: Citizen drmiler - 4/3/2005 6:35:50 PM
Disclaimer: I apologize in advance to anyone other than dabe who might be offended!

Reply #11 By: Citizen latour999 - 4/3/2005 7:47:14 PM
First off you'll notice that I did NOT think this up

I never said you thought it up, I just said it was a bad idea. And I said you weren't a dumbass. Isn't this what you want from all of the "liberals among us" to not call the others dumbasses?

Secondly this might make some yoyo stop and think. Most violent thugs are HUGH cowards. Stick a pistol in their face and watch the floor under them get wet. If they think "Hey if I do this I could end up getting shot" they might not be so quick to do something so stupid.

I don't think they think of the consequences of their actions. I mean, they don't say "I could get the death penalty" or "I could go to jail for life where I could get ass-raped," so why would they think "I could be sent to Iraq"?

Reply #12 By: dabe - 4/3/2005 9:19:28 PM
Bwhahahahahahhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Dumbass idea

Reply #13 By: Citizen drmiler - 4/3/2005 9:51:19 PM
Bwhahahahahahhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Dumbass idea

idiotic post from a totally ignorant scumbag! (as in used rubber)

Reply #14 By: Citizen drmiler - 4/3/2005 9:57:42 PM
Draginol (brad) if you don't say somoething to her about this, it WILL escalate! After 6 yrs in the USN I'd be willing to bet I could string together a couple of sentences that would burn your ears. I REALLY do not want to go that far. But I must insist that the name calling and personal attacks from dabe, cease and desist immediately! Please take care of this.

Reply #15 By: Citizen Spc Nobody Special - 4/3/2005 10:29:49 PM
By all means, send them to Iraq........then tie them up, and put them on the ranges as pop-up targets.......

Reply #16 By: dabe - 4/3/2005 10:43:21 PM
Draginol, if you do "something" about me, then you better do something about this lowlife scumbag's buddy and his constant harassment and insults against liberals in general and me in particular. Link

Take both bums out. Make it symmetrical.

Reply #17 By: Citizen drmiler - 4/3/2005 10:52:59 PM
Draginol, if you do "something" about me, then you better do something about this lowlife scumbag's buddy and his constant harassment and insults against liberals in general and me in particular. Link

Take both bums out. Make it symmetrical.

First off asshole I have not asked that you be taken out, just warned. Libs in general aren't the point. The point is your CONSISTANT name calling, foul language and your personal attacks! So "F" off, eat shit and die why don't ya!

Reply #18 By: Citizen latour999 - 4/3/2005 10:59:02 PM
How about you two just agree to refrain from personal attacks against each other from this point forward?

Reply #19 By: scatter629 - 4/3/2005 11:11:38 PM
This might be counterproductive to the image the US military has been trying to rebuild in the current war zones.

I understand the desperation your blog wants to project, though, and most of us can only sympathize with the present status of gun control and gun-related crimes.Banishment to remote islands have historically been done for hardened criminals and heinous crime-doers.This could be an option for the present Penal system to consider.

Reply #20 By: Citizen drmiler - 4/4/2005 12:00:36 AM
How about you two just agree to refrain from personal attacks against each other from this point forward?

I tried that already and it did not work. For over a month I didn't respond to anything she wrote unless it was my article and even then I refrained from name calling. And what did she do in return? Went out of her way to use foul language and name calling against myself and those that posted to my articles unless they agreed with her. And that's not counting the personal attacks. Unless I post under my blog I cannot B/L her and if I post under my blog then the article does not show up in the forums. So tell her, not me.

Reply #21 By: Citizen drmiler - 4/4/2005 12:04:30 AM
This might be counterproductive to the image the US military has been trying to rebuild in the current war zones.

I understand the desperation your blog wants to project, though, and most of us can only sympathize with the present status of gun control and gun-related crimes.Banishment to remote islands have historically been done for hardened criminals and heinous crime-doers.This could be an option for the present Penal system to consider.

Actually that's not such a bad idea. It worked for Britian (Austrailia. Sorry guys). What they need to do is shut the dang revolving door that is our justice system and start enforcing the laws that are already in place.

Reply #22 By: Citizen Dr. Guy - 4/4/2005 11:12:16 AM
Convicts on a deserted island could make a great reality TV show! The show would pit them against gamers controlling remote-controlled machines, and if the gamer won, he'd win a prize! And if he didn't, well, he'd receive a consolation prize.

Yea, but who would want to film it?

Reply #23 By: Citizen Zoomba - 4/4/2005 11:41:57 AM
My suggestion is to blacklist dabe.

On the issue of convicts with assault rifles... that just strikes me as a bad idea. I think we should go back to the times of hard labor, chain gangs, make prison life uncomfortably and unpleasant. And work on applying the death penalty evenly. Kill 20 people? Chair for you!

Reply #24 By: Citizen Gideon MacLeish - 4/4/2005 1:53:10 PM
I think the biggest concern of this proposal would be the concern of "fragging" (shooting one's own troops). These individuals have demonstrably shown their disrespect for human life, and it is unlikely they will have anything other than disrespect for their fellow soldiers.

That being said, it used to be the standard for judges to sentence many delinquents to "jail or the military". I do believe we have many trainable prisoners who could serve well in the military. Obviously any such program would have to employ boot camp just as it does with regular civilians.

The one requirement I would add to such a program, though, would be a full and complete pardon provided the person serves honorably.

Reply #25 By: Citizen drmiler - 4/4/2005 3:45:28 PM

My suggestion is to blacklist dabe.

On the issue of convicts with assault rifles... that just strikes me as a bad idea. I think we should go back to the times of hard labor, chain gangs, make prison life uncomfortably and unpleasant. And work on applying the death penalty evenly. Kill 20 people? Chair for you!

read reply #20 and you'll understand what the problem is. Especially the last 2 sentences.
As for the rest of your reply.... To start off you would need to get rid of ALL the feel good liberals. They are the ones that screwed it up in the first place. *Then* you could go back to the way it was. Back when *hard time* was just that, *hard*! No weights, no cable, no nothing.

Reply #26 By: dabe - 4/4/2005 5:45:30 PM
Well, if you blacklist me, then you need to blacklist drmiler, minisculeman, terpfan, drguy, zoomba, the whip dip, and everyone else who seem to get a real rise out of harassing me for my politics. It cuts both ways. the worst is that scumbag minisculeman, who writes every fucking article about how much he hates liberals, and how much he hates me, and spends every bit of energy making up stupid poems about his stupid hate. You can start with that moron.

----Why don't we all take a deep breath.....in.....out......and stop the name calling on both sides [yes i am guilty too]

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Well the remote-controlled machines in that desert island could have video cameras too. Also make an unremovable camera stripped on the criminals too. Sprinkle few camera at few choice spots and it's ready for a great series.

Now the serious side... I believe that sending criminals to Iraq will have negative consequences on the peacekeeping efforts. Now, I don't quite support the Iraq war but same time, making it worse is not the solution too. In fact, some of those criminals could become the future terrorists.

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On the flame war: Blacklist is your friend. Use it.

Unless I post under my blog I cannot B/L her and if I post under my blog then the article does not show up in the forums.

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Lucas: Dude...no need to include my reply in your chiding...of course, if I called you Lucas the Puke-as...then...then...you could include me...but I haven't done that yet...bwahahahahahaha

---Wasn't Chiding you, just trying to lower the....moods, so that Docter M. and Dabe dont get at each others throats....sheesh never thought debating could get this way....

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----Why don't we all take a deep breath.....in.....out......and stop the name calling on both sides [yes i am guilty too]

Wow, Lucas, one of the few times I don't include a little jocular jab, and I get my nose put in the corner. I'll just have to see I never let that happen again!! ;~D

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