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Don't let your ideology be dominated by cranks, zealots, and bigots

During the early 90s the American right came to be seen as dominated by its zealots, bigots and extremists.  It was the high-tide of people like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and David Duke.  The Republicans (rightly) paid a political price for it. 

The blindly ideological right is always ready to take center stage. Those of us who consider themselves socially moderate but fiscally conservative (that also includes not just me but Instapundit's Glenn Reynolds, Steven Den Beste, John Hawkins of Right Wing News, and most of the other popular "right wing" bloggers) are always having to battle the the demons of those further right of us.  That would include the evangelical Christians who want to inject religion as much into public life as a means to impose their social beliefs onto the rest of us.  For the past few years, our portion of the "vast right wing conspiracy" has held the high ground and the result has been unprecedented series of electoral victories.

Now the American left, wrongly labeled as "liberals" (there's nothing "liberal" these days about the American left IMO) seems to be held hostage by its most bigoted, ignorant, and ideologically rigid elements.  Their militant, hateful, and intolerant ideology is not much different than the so-called "fascist" right wing extremists they claim to be against.

I find it disappointing how difficult it is to find a reasonable avatar of left-wing thought on-line.  So few left of center advocates are educated enough on the issues they debate on and the result is pure frustration.

The issues they argue about without knowing much about are many. Whether that be the issue of "Global Warming", an article of faith on the left that they defend as strongly as the evangelicals on the right defend "Intelligent Design".  Or that we're "bankrupting" the country through "Tax cuts for the rich".  Or the every-changing opposition of US foreign policy -- no matter what the US action is, it's the wrong thing (especially if it's against non-European dictators).  And then there is also the pervasive and irrational "Bush hatred" that seems to permeate many of the writings of the left on-line.

The problem isn't that the left of center ideologically is non-credible.  There are real arguments for environmentalism, social justice, multilateralism, and many other principles that the left espouse.  The problem is that the avatars of the left, particularly on the blogsphere are frankly, ignorant beyond belief.  A lot of my friends in "real life" are quite left of center. However, they can debate these issues with intelligent and articulate arguments. But they don't post on-line usually. 

And so we're left with what seems to be the dregs of the left who seem completely unfamiliar with any of the background details of the issues they so passionately argue. As an agnostic, I don't find religious arguments compelling. And too often, the left-wingers frothing on-line sound very much the same as the indoctrinated religious zealots they so clearly detest. And being indoctrinated, they have no need to educate themselves on things such as history, economics, anthropology, engineering or science. 

As a result, hordes of astonishingly ignorant but militant left wingers storm onto the net like a swarm of religious missionaries filled with certainty that their faith is the correct faith and that those who disagree with them aren't just wrong but are evil. Their opponents are heathens and heretics to be smited.  And their debate style is just as self-referencing and circular as the most dogged religious fanatics I've ever seen.

What the left needs are people who can espouse its principles in a mature, calm, rational and most importantly educated manner.  They need to look carefully at the facts and push on issues that they have the factual high ground on and abandon positions in which the facts don't support them.  But most importantly, they need to know what they are talking about on the issues they debate.  They need to do their homework and present their case in a rational, non-hysterical way.

Because otherwise, the left-wing political philosophies are going to become increasingly marginalized as the undecided's of the world mix the message with the messenger. And if that were to happen, we will all be a lot poorer.

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well brad if I were articulate enough to have written this, I would have been labeled a hate filled , warmonger, venomous and other kind things, like bastard, evil, wishes I would die and rot in hell. I am curious to see what kind of responces you get with this right on the money post.

I too have many Liberal friends and family and have never seen nor heard any of them froth at the mouth , they also can speak well and make arguements to support there views. NO cuss words, no death threats and most of all not one "ad hominim" attack slathered with vitrolic acid and filled with hyperbole.
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Whenever I write a political article, I try not to insult or attack anyone. The thing is, I don't often write political articles, or comment on them. I do this because of my preference to remain aloof of conflict. And it seems here that everything political has either the intent to start conflict or gets hijacked and starts conflict. I would probably be called spineless for this elsewhere, but it's what I prefer. I somehow get the feeling that this is how other moderate Democrats feel.
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Another problem with the far left/right is that they tend to be out of line with the majority of people (especially moderate "swing voters"), and there are a lot of labels waiting for them. For example, a far-righter is a fascist nazi KKK racist evangelical nut job, and I am a crazy atheist godless pinko commie pothead.

And it seems here that everything political has either the intent to start conflict or gets hijacked and starts conflict


I agree

I too have many Liberal friends


(cringe)...dammit man, don't capitalize "liberal" unless you're referring to a Liberal Party (sorry, it's one of my spelling/grammar pet peeves)
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Why the judging and the assigned slots when it comes to politics in the US and I'm sure everywhere? That's a big problem in the US's population and it sure came out during the past election. Whatever happened to the person who speaks for truth and honesty and works from there? Why is it if someone criticizes US policy they're 'UnAmerican'? Or 'unpatriotic'? What's with the divisions in the US? That may be a big reason the planet has a hard time understanding the US. All the different sides and the look and style of political trench warfare. People unwilling to rock the boat and stay the course no matter the truth. If all the people doing the lying weren't paid very well, there would be more honesty around. It's no good when it's totally iin someone's interest to deceive the public over matters of business. Of course they'd fall on their swords to save the higher-ups when they know they'll be getting a pretty damn good leaving package or a cushy new high paying job somewhere else down the trough. Take away the dough, and you have no reason to blow.....smoke. I Wanted to end it with a rhyme, but trying to rhyme takes too much time. I'm not lying. Later.
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Left-leaning thought (in my opinion) acknowledges that things are usually more complicated than they appear. Because of this, it is more difficult to articulate an effective argument in support of what would be considered a "liberal opinion."

Conservative ideology can oftentimes be seen as simplistic, therefore appealing to people's gut-level reactions. It is a lot more entertaining to present the right's view on radio and on television.

We live like this, why can't xxx do the same?
Our religion tells us that xxx, why can't they understand that?
Their religion says xxx. Isn't that outrageous?
We have always known that xxx. Why is it different now?
Xxx is a threat to the stability of our lives because xxx.

I could fill-in-the-blanks with a bunch of different words, take calls, and entertain millions. The perceptions that I generate by this becomes the reality of my following. The truth is that nothing is as simple as it appears.
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Problem with the Left, liberals, progressives,etc., is they take a position no matter how out of left field and continue to push it. They tend to follow a European way of thinking...and if you disagree...your nothing but an ignorant fascist.

One little point I'd make....the term 'liberals' is out of fashion....it's now called 'progressives' because 'liberal' tends to be considered left wing or as it's known today extreme left wing. Same people, same tired and laughable ideas...new name.

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Oh great, so now Left Wing is too cerebral for right wingers to contemplate? What a joke!!

What's the next punchline, right wingers are unfeeling and if left wingers mess up it's only because they just care too much? ;~D Excellent Article Draginol!! We need go no further than the replies to see some good examples of explanations, excuses and examples of the problem!!
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Simplistic catch-phrases are a problem regardless of one's ideology.

When someone just shrieks "Don't you see! Kyoto is our last chance! Global Warming is destroying our planet!" That's a bunch of nonsense because things are a lot more complex than that.

Similarly, when someone says "The tax cuts went to the wealthiest people who don't need the money!" or "Capitalist are evil and greedy!" That's pretty simplistic too.

Or the "The US put Saddam in power and now they're murdering thousands to take him out!" is also pretty simplistic.

People do need to understand that there are many ideologies on how people should live, how governments should be run, and how societies should be organized.  But there are two, quite distinct ideologies that are well known enough to be named which is where the terms "left" and "right" come from.

Once we recognize that, the second thing to recognize is that both points of views have many intellectually valid points. Neither ideology is more complex than the other.

The difference is that, at least on-line, the champions of the left-wing ideology are less knowledgeable on the subject matters they so passionately discuss.   There are a few on here that are knowledgeable such as Jebblackstar, Stevenandalous, Calor, and to a degree Kingbee.  But they get drowned out by vapid, hysterical, hate-filled shrieking by people who quite clearly aren't familiar with the underlying issues that affect their beliefs.

And while there are right of center people on-line (plenty of them) who are just as intolerant, hateful, ignorant, and hysterical, there seem to be no shortage of right of center people who can calmly explain and argue their point of view wo have a strong grasp on the underlying issues.

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It's no big secret that they have been using a tactic known as Social Engineering.
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Whenever I write a political article, I try not to insult or attack anyone. The thing is, I don't often write political articles, or comment on them. I do this because of my preference to remain aloof of conflict. And it seems here that everything political has either the intent to start conflict or gets hijacked and starts conflict. I would probably be called spineless for this elsewhere, but it's what I prefer. I somehow get the feeling that this is how other moderate Democrats feel.

NJ, two things.  When is #9 coming out?

And #2, unless people like you start to speak out and take back the democrat party from the loony fringe, Brad's prognosis will come to pass.  Conservatives did not lose control of the republican party to their fringe and that is why they have had success.

I wish you luck.  And hope that you can start a movement to bring some sanity back so that we indeed have a two party system again.

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(cringe)...dammit man, don't capitalize "liberal" unless you're referring to a Liberal Party (sorry, it's one of my spelling/grammar pet peeves)

Latour, you help me with my spelling, and I will not insult your liberal party by capitalizing it.  Deal?

You are not one that Brad talks about, but then he is talking about American Liberals, not you frozen northerners (you would do well as an American liberal as well - note the case).

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Oh great, so now Left Wing is too cerebral for right wingers to contemplate? What a joke!!

What's the next punchline, right wingers are unfeeling and if left wingers mess up it's only because they just care too much? ;~D Excellent Article Draginol!! We need go no further than the replies to see some good examples of explanations, excuses and examples of the problem!!

Damn Ted!  You beat me to the punch line again!  Which I guess is easy to do since I am so simple minded. Hycuk, hyuck, hyuck!

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Anyone interested.....?

Sure!  I am having fun over at your house with SPM.  It takes my mind off of other things, if you get my drift.

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When I write political articles, I try very hard to stay reasonable, to present my points and my reasons backing them up. I like to think of myself as just left of middle, with a toe dipping in the waters of the right on a few issues. With the exception of a few articles though, it goes mostly unnoticed. Why? Because a reasonable, thought out article doesn't generate controversy, which means it doesn't generate page views or comments. Any conservative article on here, regardless of whether or not it's reasonable and well-researched will generate a ton of controversy because we have some crazies on here on the Left (capitalized to denote how far out there they are) that will argue no matter what. At best, a reasonable liberal article will get a "You have some good points, nice to see a sane liberal for once" from one or two of the more even-keeled conservative bloggers on the site.

Rational writing from the left on this site is pretty boring because there's little to argue over generally. When one of us presents a decent article, others may disagree with the opinion or sentiment or quibble over some of the facts, but not enough to launch into a lunatic tyrade (once again, like some of the Left bloggers here).
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This is a setup. No matter what a liberal says, drag and the rest of you will call it unreasonable.
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Dr Guy (or any adamant pro-lifer) arguing for them.

Actually, as a devil's advocate, I can do that very easily.  For my Opposition in that case is based upon faith.  And so no one can debate me on that as Faith is not debatable.  I do see both sides, I just cannot agree with one side due to my faith (faith born of long and deep thought, not accepted blindly).

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(before I start, I know you weren't targeting me with the "remaining silent" bit LW)

I often do tear down the lunatic lefties when they get involved in a thread I'm on as well. I don't go out of my way to find wherever Dabe or Myrrander or Reiki-house are posting is the thing. If they're ranting on a topic I don't care at all about, I leave it go. I also don't get involved in every right vs left fight on here, as they're not worth the time usually. I think in general on here those of us sitting left of middle are relatively few in number. It's just that those few are really really vocal and really really combative (which I can understand to some extent, I'm honestly tired of seeing a lot of Righties attack anyone who disagrees with Iraq or Pres Bush as being traitors or pot smoking hippies).

Another thing is, I love to play devils advocate on issues, and will flip sides for the fun of the argument sometimes. Being able to do that helps you build stronger personal beliefs and opinions. If I understand where the opposition is coming from, I can make more intelligent decisons as to what I myself believe. It also helps me argue such issues as I don't sit there mystified as to how anyone could believe something I disagree with. It also helps show me that things aren't cut-and-dried as many on both sides like to believe.

My favorite political article I wrote on here was about how I was voting for Kerry, not because I liked him, but because I had solid reasons for not liking Bush and saw no better alternatives. I didn't try to sugar-coat Kerry, and I didn't rely on emotion for my decision. I listed out four or five points on which I was in major disagreement with Bush. I stated my reasons, backed them up with my own personal beliefs and didn't try and to say "This is the TRUTH of the matter..." and I got some great responses from people on the Right. None of them agreed with me on my points. But they respected those points because it was obvious I put some thought into them and had real reasons. Also because I admitted that I was specifically voting against Bush, but that I wished I had some better alternative. I didn't like voting against someone, but I wasn't given anyone I could vote for. I believe I earned some respect with that article because I was one of the few liberal bloggers here at the time that weren't blinded by pure hatred of Bush.

We're few in number here. We voice our opinions but they go largely unnoticed because they lack entertainment value. We also don't see the need to go running around the site policing the moron Lefties on here. I honestly have better things to do that point out that some loonie is a moron when it's painfully obvious already. It's like a Christian blogger going in and saying "Aeryck, you're a dipwad" Everyone knows it, no one (reasonable) thinks Aeryck is representative of his group. We see the nutjobs on the left, and we shake our heads and sigh, because we know there's no way to reign those people in. They're beyond reach of rational argument. The best we can do is ignore them and hope they go away.
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Everyone knows it, no one (reasonable) thinks Aeryck is representative of his group. We see the nutjobs on the left, and we shake our heads and sigh, because we know there's no way to reign those people in.

But that is the very problem Zoomba.  If you dont reign them in, then they come to represent the left, and of course, badly.  Just as the right disavowed David Duke and distanced itself from Jerry Falwell, so must the left do to their fringe.  But your silence is almost like a consent and that is why when your leaders start spouting idiocy, 2/3 of the American populace tunes you out.

It is tougher to argue with those who profess to be on your side yet spout stupidity.  It is easy to debate those who you disagree with totally.  But in the end, you are known by the company you keep.

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I think that both parties are being steered by the radical elements nowadays. It just goes to show the polarization in the country at the present time.

On one hand you have a far right adminstration pushing a far right agenda on the masses, and then you have the hyper liberal lefties who are fighting it tooth and nail.

It's a two way street Brad. The middle is basicaly ignored. Both repub and dem. I think that BOTH parties need to do some housecleaing in order to get any legislation passed that we can all live with.

Remember, American democracy has always been about compromise. No matter who is running the show. When you have the extreme elements on both teams not offering any compromise Nothing gets done!

And we all get screwed, Dem and Repub alike.
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On one hand you have a far right adminstration pushing a far right agenda on the masses

NCLB?  Prescription Drug coverage?  Right wing?  me thinks you are one of the ones blinded by hatred.

You can grab the radicals of the left and steer them back to the center, but if you think the above is right wing, then you are one of the radical left.

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I don't hate dubya. I just don't like the agenda he's pushing Guy. As far as me being part of the "Radical left"....You obviously havent been reading any of my posts over the last few months. Typical. And sad too.

Take the blinders off man.
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As far as me being part of the "Radical left"....You obviously havent been reading any of my posts over the last few months. Typical. And sad too.

Take the blinders off man.

I have been, but your hate of Dubya is allowing the fringe to take control of your party.  My Post was more rhetorical than an indication of your politics.  I have read you and do respect your views. They are left of mine, but not radical.  It is time for you to bury the hate (Dubya cannot be re-elected) and take back what is yours.  Dont let the hate control your vision when it comes to the fringe.  it is over.

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Not a bad article but I think you should have provided examples. It would be easier to comment if I knew exactly where 'x' blamed 'y' and for what reasons. Be aware that the general procedures for implementing policiy are rapidly changing. More change has happened in the last 5 years than in the last 50.

The system of checks and balances that engage all parties are being dropped like a hot potato. The unilateralism being adopted in the foreign policy is spreading into domestic issues and is cirmcumventing the traditional bodies of scrutiny. These changes are just happening without any discourse. That is where the anger comes from. The real issues are inserted between the larger patriot acts and are completely hidden away. Nine times out of ten they have no relevance to the main title of the article. Highly contensious, invasive ideas contradict much of the existing constitutional framework of the past two centuries. So for hardliners - there is alot to complain about.

Without getting bogged down into a he said - she said arguement, my personal opinion is there is very little difference between the left and right parties. I'd say about - 3/8" of an inch if asked. I vote for individuals more than parties.

The pressing issue isn't the perceived ranting and raving where someone questions the president. It is where left plays good cop and right plays bad cop and the issues are not addressed. This is why the last election was a unique still-born phenomenon in the voting world. The environment was artificially controlled and the people were kept from participating. They sold qualities instead of political stances and represent a complete victory of PR marketting. The POINT of politics is to have some arrogant asshole drop an unrehearsed off-the cuff bombshell issue into there lap and see how well they can articulate back. Unrehearsed responses are the only way to evoke a little bit of honesty out of a politician. Pre-rehearsed speeches are best left to the professors, not the politicians.

If you keep on pointing the WTF finger at one another you will only achieve at driving a wedge between red and blue states. Hell you might even arrive at another "north-south" war.
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Perhaps you can make a post where we can highlight the changes/evolution of congress after a national tradgedy and beyond?
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Reply By: Slanderer

Instead of putting the burden on Drag, perhaps you should peruse the archives of the articles.  Start with the Political forum.  As he has donated this site to us, maybe you can do some work and research the rest?