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US Supports Democracy?

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US Supports Democracy?

I don't know about that.

from JoeUser Forums
We hear every day about how the Iraqi operation is part of the US's enduring tradition of supporting Democracy throughout the world. I don't see very much tradition in this. The two places, well make that three places where we have successfully implemented democracy to date are Japan, the United States and Germany. In all of these places, we poured our resources selflessly into the countries to turn them into 1st world countries. In the end, our efforts were repaid, and these countries are now some of our largest trading partners, and also part of the G-8 countries. If we were to do the same thing in Iraq, if we were to have gone in with truly selfless purposes, and not for cheap oil, then maybe democracy would truly work there too. The problem is Oil was a major reason for our invasion, as cheap oil helps both Bush's pocketbook and the politics of the Republicans, because everyone, or seemingly everyone, loves cheap oil, even at the cost of human lives. The other problem is that we just don't have a track record of supporting Democracies. We overthrew the democratic Iranian government and instituted a dictator. Think what kind of different world we would have with a powerful democracy in the Middle East. Further, we placed Saddam into power. And what about Pakistan? We support Pakistan's horrendous military rule and oppression of the people, while we continue to not support their Democratic neighbor India. We need to take a hard stance, like we did during World War I, for democracy throughout the world, and to stop propping up dictatorships, even if it means rising oil prices or a temporary loss of relations with Pakistan. In the end, it will pay off for both the United States and the people of the world.
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Reply #51 from PolMach Forums Top
How about in Bosnia-Hertzegovina? Milosevic was just blowing away Americans left and right, wasn't he?


Add to the fact that he was the Democratically elected President of Serbia (or that's what Carter verified).

Don't get me wrong, he was still a monster and needed to go.
Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top
Rightwinger---


Is it me or do most liberals sound like a broken record player.....must be me....
---Lucas Bailey

Maybe not a record player; more like a cassette tape that can't be recorded over again, erasing what it already has on it in favor of the new recording.
They simply won't take any new or different information.
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Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top
I just can't believe what I'm reading from Myrrander on this thread....it almost seems like he actually understands the perpective as viewed from the right.
Myrr...are you writing this backwards, with the monitor behind you and reflected in a mirror?

I have to say that it's nice to be more or less on the same side for once...even if it does cause massive ripples in fabric of space-time.
Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top
Think about it for a minute, name one truly democratic country that we have ever, ever, had a major war with or a major conflict with.


I'm sorry, Sandy, but this statement is just ridiculous and the argument it "supports" is equally so....democracies typically do not fight one another. What would be the reason? They're on the same side, more or less.
Besides, the number of "true" (and we all know what a "true" democracy is) democracies in the world is very small.
After all, North Korea is called "The Democratic Republic of North Korea"....would you classify it as a democracy? Myrr's (I can't believe this!) statement about Chancellor
Hitler....Lee1776's comment about Milosevic having been the "democratically elected President of Serbia". I could be wrong, but isn't China also called the "Democratic People's Republic of China"? Give me a break.

Democracy, true democracy, at least, is a rare beast indeed, and true democracies don't fight each other...at least not on the battlefield.