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"Women Are So Shallow They Would Abort a Gay Fetus"

Representative Brian Duprey at your service.

March 10, 2005 4:34:18 AM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums

     Just saw Maine-R Rep. Brian Duprey on the O'reilly factor discussing his bill that would protect fetuses with the "Gay Gene" from abortion should such a gene ever be discovered. THe part that caught my ear was the quote that constitutes the title of this post.

"Women Are So Shallow They Would Abort a Gay Fetus"

He certainly has an interesting opinion of women!

 

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Reply #1 March 10, 2005 7:33:20 AM
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I watched that, too, and I don't remember him saying that. Just to get it straight, you heard him say, "Women Are So Shallow They Would Abort a Gay Fetus"?

Otherwise, it would happen. I know a prominant member on another of Stardock's boards, my age, well-educated, who believes that pregnant woment who find that their child has the gene for Down Syndrome should abort the fetus. I assume it would apply for other mental handicaps of equal severity.

That said, do you think for an instant all the tight-ass "pillars of the community" wouldn't dodge the bullet without hesistation if they could find out if their kid was going to become an "embarassment" later? Not that it matters, since there is no "gay gene" and I don't believe they'll ever find one. This just comes from many people's assumption that everything in life can be traced back to genetic code.

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Reply #2 March 10, 2005 8:08:34 AM
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I have to ask how this issue puts liberals in a quandry. Generally, liberals are pro-choice and are generally more accepting of homosexuals. IF a gay gene ever were found, I think it would be the liberals who would be less likley to have an abortion simply because the kid would turn out to be gay.
On the other hand, the conservatives would find themselves in quite a predicament if a gay gene were ever found: imagine being pro-life AND anti-gay rights and KNOWING you would have to make some kind of compromise on these values.
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Reply #3 March 10, 2005 8:28:53 AM
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I have to ask how this issue puts liberals in a quandry.
The liberal quandary would be in being Pro Choice, but not wanting to appear homophobic. Would it be homophobic to abort a gay fetus? Should a woman be forced to bring the fetus to term, because it would be "anti gay" to abort it?

Your conservative quandary works pretty well too!!
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Reply #4 March 10, 2005 8:35:47 AM
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Your conservative quandary works pretty well too!!

Exactly.  SO you would have the conservative christians aligning themselves with NARAL, and the Gay/Lesbians Aligning themselves with Pro Lifers.  A complete upheaval in the political spectrum! 

One of God's jokes I wonder? (Wholly Moses!)

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Reply #5 March 10, 2005 8:38:21 AM
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Pro Choice is about letting the individual decide on their own, regardless of your own personal opinions and feelings. If someone is aborting because they fear the child will be gay, I personally disagree with that and it lowers my opinion of that person, but ultimately it is their decision and it's not my place to make any sort of choice for them.

That, my friends, is Pro Choice...
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Reply #6 March 10, 2005 8:52:36 AM
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Pro Choice is about letting the individual decide on their own, regardless of your own personal opinions and feelings. If someone is aborting because they fear the child will be gay, I personally disagree with that and it lowers my opinion of that person, but ultimately it is their decision and it's not my place to make any sort of choice for them.


Kind of like how Europe allowed Hitler to grow and fester. "I disagree with his philosophy, and I think he is a bad man, but it is his country and decision, and not my place to make any sort of decision for them".

Yep! Like I said, a very interesting upheaval.
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Reply #7 March 10, 2005 9:16:14 AM
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That, my friends, is Pro Choice...


and you Zoomba may feel that way, but the quandary would be among the activists. Act Up and Planned Parenthood would be at each other's throats!
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Reply #8 March 10, 2005 9:46:24 AM
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Your comments are disappearing... or you hitting the delete key like mad...
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Reply #9 March 10, 2005 10:23:12 AM
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Wow, there's an echo in all this emptiness!!! What's happening with JU lately??
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Reply #10 March 10, 2005 2:19:45 PM
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I wrote something about this. It's amazing how full of shit some pro-choicers (and pro-lifers) are, all in the name of pandering just like Jean Kerri. Misogynistic too!
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Reply #11 March 10, 2005 2:40:18 PM
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"Women Are So Shallow They Would Abort a Gay Fetus"


This sounds like some sort of 'rank session' that people on my stoop uesed to do...

You momma is so dumb, she said you came out of her closet

Your woman is so foolish, that she called Micheal jackson and said, "I think you should dress like Captain Crunch when you go to court"



if the 'gay gene' is found, there will be a very interesing debate indeed as to whether being gay is a race or a malfunction.

interesting....
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Reply #12 March 10, 2005 2:48:58 PM
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if the 'gay gene' is found, there will be a very interesing debate indeed as to whether being gay is a race or a malfunction.


Another interesting outcome would be a new "class system" of rating fetuses. If some fetal "impurities" are deemed justifications for abortions, but others aren't... where does that leave the pro and anti sides of the debate itself?
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Reply #13 March 10, 2005 7:59:24 PM
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you heard him say, "Women Are So Shallow They Would Abort a Gay Fetus"?

yes although he prefaced it with the words "I beleive that..." but that wouldn't fit in the title. The baldness of the statement was what prompted me to post it.

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Reply #14 March 15, 2005 9:25:37 AM
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Generally speaking, the majority of abortions are probably sought after by the more shallow women, particularly the repeat "customers". It takes someone with little emotional intelligence to seek ending their future child's life.
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Reply #15 March 15, 2005 9:31:45 AM
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Generally speaking, the majority of abortions are probably sought after by the more shallow women, particularly the repeat "customers".


I suppose you can link to the research that supports this?
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Reply #16 March 15, 2005 1:41:59 PM
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Sure, Greywar. According to Planned Parenthood's own branch of research, the majority of women attaining abortions are getting them for reasons not relating to the health of the mother. In fact, almost less then 1 (one!) % of all abortions in the U.S. are related to rape, incest, or the "health of the mother".

www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html

Like those charts? Top reasons women have given to terminate a pregnancy are as follows; too immature for baby (21%), unready for responsibility (21%), concerned about how baby would change life (16%), and has problems with relationship / wants to avoid single childhood (12%).

If you scroll to the bottom of the page you will find a compiled stat. charts which shows the most common reasons for abortion:

too young / immature
economic
avoid adjusting life
mother single or in poor relationship
enough children already

Here is a quote:

"AGI's 1988 survey (as well as the detailed statistics from Minnesota) suggests that a significant fraction of abortions are done by mothers who are not unable to care for a child, but simply do not want their lives inconvenienced. This is an example of the consequences of the current extreme policy in the United States regarding abortion. "

Women who claim children to be an "inconvenience" - a simple unwanted after-effect of intercourse are what I would refer to as shallow. Any man who killed off a kid before it's coming into the world would be seen as such as well and some would think that to be an understatement!

What really gets me, though, is that the majority of abortions are coming from "repeat customers". Women that have already had an abortion. These women are coming back as many as 3 or 4 times. They don't care about the unborn child because they are so shallow they don't consider that the life growing inside them is more then a mass of cells. If anyone wants to boil humans down to the moleculer level in such a way, let's understand that not just future children are cell masses - everyday people walking around are such too.

In 1994-95, nearly half (45 percent) of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. had previously aborted one or more times.

Source: Family Planning Perspectives 23:75, March/April 1991; 28:140, July/August 1996

Really, there is no defense for these loathsome acts, someday society will snap out of the lie of abortion and come back to it's senses, until then, we'll continue to see men and women who are too lazy to get the legal abortion kill the infant upon birth, 'cause, hey, it's an inconvenience and the slippery slope has pointed to killing children as okay!
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Reply #17 March 15, 2005 7:54:45 PM
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On the comment about Downes Syndrome... there are a few good reasons to abort a fetus with downs syndrome. First, if you feel that you will not be able to dedicate the care that such a child would require, then that would be a reason. Second, if you feel that in your heart of hearts it would be better to not force someone to live with such a terrible disease, then that would be another reason. While it is easy to say that Oh my god, mom, dad, if I had been a Downs Syndrome affected baby you would have aborted me!, but you must realize that these fetuses can not think on their own yet, and therefore are not yet children. Just like eggs and sperm are potential babies, so are fetuses.
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