How Liberals are out to Destroy America

Come now, some of us want to restore the progressive ideals of someone like Theodore Roosevelt. The left hasn't always called themselves "Democrats," now have they?

The party in the "wrong" hasn't always been the "Republican Party," either (they should have never impeached Andrew Johnson).

Labels are foolishness. I'm going to keep working, I know you will, too.

Cheers to you, Elie!

Sourmyr (Michael)r

Reply By: MyrranderPosted: Saturday, March 05, 2005Come now, some of us want to restore the progressive ideals of someone like Theodore Roosevelt. The left hasn't always called themselves "Democrats," now have they?The party in the "wrong" hasn't always been the "Republican Party," either (they should have never impeached Andrew Johnson).Labels are foolishness. I'm going to keep working, I know you will, too.Cheers to you, Elie!Sourmyr (Michael)r

ya did notice i lumped in old fart conservatives yeh? anyways I am getting tired of BOTH sides and might have to switch thinking again as I did in 2004.. maybe a republicate party of demlicans something in between,

And back at you michael my new friend

woomwood

We have the same problems with a "Liberal" party in Canada .... They go to the point of ridiculuous in policy And practice.
Fortunately we have a new Grassroots Conservative Party in opposition who will probably form the next Government.
I pray to God that they will bring a brief reprieve of common sense to our nation, at least for a time, before the insane
left takes over again. Why is it that the nutcake "lefties" seem to be abounding in not only politics, but the media as well?

I agree wholeheartedly - New Zealand does look better all the time!!!!!!!!

Contrary Cal
http://contrarycal.joeuser.com/bloglist.asp

I am getting tired of BOTH sides

Me, too!

What are we going to do? I've always thought that an "American Unity" party would be the best idea. Something the disenfranchised on all sides might be able to support. I'm open to suggestions for this.

We're all unhappy, that's why we keep blogging. The "Blog" party? I don't know. The "American Unity" party might be the best.

Cheers.

Mike

Look upon the old fart conservatives and their minions with fear and dread!! We like it that way .

The slow insidiousness of the Liberal wing of the Democratic Party is slowly but surely attempting to eliminate any real policies to help America, under the guise of “we know what’s best for the common man” With their attempts to remove all mention of God from all public forums this is the first step in the demoralization of America. If they succeed at this our demise will hasten ushering a time of immoral pagans praying to the almighty dollar. With liars like Mickey Moore, Hillary Clinton, Hanoi john Kerry, and Jesse Jackson, with move on .orc. {Yes orc} as the vanguard of this disrespecting of our own country, her values, her practices how can we as Americans expect to get any respect from the rest of the world? All the world sees of America is what their press and “news” stations want them to see. Al Gore shrieking the President betrayed his country, Ted Kennedy calling the President an outright liar, Howard Dean saying Bush knew of 9-11 ahead of time and said nothing, Idiots with not a single thought in their heads “protesting” on the streets, screaming Bush lied and you died. This is what the world sees of America, not our good deeds, not the kindness we offer, not the heroic acts of our patriots, no the screams and cries of a party long Dead, no power, no future, and not a single solution to any of today’s problems, not one, just complaints and proposals a freshman poli sci student can see thru. Add to this mix a bunch of old men republican conservatives and you now have a recipe for disaster that seems to already be in progress. Right thinking people need to somehow find a common ground and oust these morons in power from both parties. New Zealand is looking better and better all the time.

I like how you don't cite any examples and instead use vague blanket statements to attack Liberals.


Par for the course, eh?

We have the same problems with a "Liberal" party in Canada .... They go to the point of ridiculuous in policy And practice. Fortunately we have a new Grassroots Conservative Party in opposition who will probably form the next Government. I pray to God that they will bring a brief reprieve of common sense to our nation, at least for a time, before the insane left takes over again. Why is it that the nutcake "lefties" seem to be abounding in not only politics, but the media as well? I agree wholeheartedly - New Zealand does look better all the time!!!!!!!!

You think the Conservatives are going to win the next election? No offense, but what are you smoking? They couldn't beat Paul Martin right after the sponsorship scandal, and their polls are only going one way: down. And Stephen "dude, where's my charisma" Harper isn't helping them any. The only way they are going to have a remote chance is if they bring back a Progressive Conservative to lead, like Joe Clark or Belinda Stronach once she gets a bit more experience. But don't worry, as an NDP supporter, I am also condemned to dismay after every election.

Seriously though, can you give examples of this ridiculous policy and practice you speak of?

But at least we can find common ground. It looks like we both are sick and tired of the Liberals.

Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Sunday, March 06, 2005Look upon the old fart conservatives and their minions with fear and dread!! We like it that way

I do not know if this is a comdemnation of the old farts or not. could you be clearer?

Reply By: Contrary CalPosted: Saturday, March 05, 2005We have the same problems with a "Liberal" party in Canada .... They go to the point of ridiculuous in policy And practice.

it's not just the insane left. it's the stodgie old fart conservative..

Reply By: Sinister RougePosted: Sunday, March 06, 2005

like how you don't cite any examples and instead use vague blanket statements to attack Liberals.Par for the course, eh?

of course YOU must be a liberal as I denounced the far right in the same way just with less words and examples of madmen, but as with all good leftwingers you must be tainted with "i see what I want to" part and parcel of the dreaded "democratic dementia" see a dr. now.

Reply By: MyrranderPosted: Sunday, March 06, 2005I am getting tired of BOTH sides Me, too! What are we going to do? I've always thought that an "American Unity

sounds good , a comming together of both sides..moderates of course

Reply By: latour999Posted: Sunday, March 06, 2005We have the same problems with a "Liberal" party in Canada .... They go to the point of ridiculuous in policy And practice.Fortunately we have a new Grassroots Conservative Party in opposition who will probably form the next Government.I pray to God that they will bring a brief reprieve of common sense to our nation, at least for a time, before the insaneleft takes over again. Why is it that the nutcake "lefties" seem to be abounding in not only politics, but the media as well?I agree wholeheartedly - New Zealand does look better all the time!!!!!!!!You think the Conservatives are going to win the next election? No offense, but what are you smoking? They couldn't beat Paul Martin right after the sponsorship scandal, and their polls are only going one way: down. And Stephen "dude, where's my charisma" Harper isn't helping them any. The only way they are going to have a remote chance is if they bring back a Progressive Conservative to lead, like Joe Clark or Belinda Stronach once she gets a bit more experience. But don't worry, as an NDP supporter, I am also condemned to dismay after every election.Seriously though, can you give examples of this ridiculous policy and practice you speak of?But at least we can find common ground. It looks like we both are sick and tired of the

Altho I know almost NOTHING of canadian politics... sounds like you fellas up there are having the same kind of crap problems .

oh my GOD me and latour agreeing ..

Al Gore shrieking the President betrayed his country, Ted Kennedy calling the President an outright liar, Howard Dean saying Bush knew of 9-11 ahead of time and said nothing, Idiots with not a single thought in their heads “protesting” on the streets, screaming Bush lied and you died.

I like how you don't cite any examples and instead use vague blanket statements to attack Liberals.

ummmmmm the above look like "statements and examples to me. how about you?

Latour: "What are you smoking'? OK, granola, I've had enough of your American-style bashing of Harper. I look forward to you starting a thread on your blog discussing Canadian politics, I'll be there with bells on.

Harper nearly led an eight month old party to victory; it was damn close, so it's hardly inconceivable that he'll win the next one. The polls are not going down for Conservatives and are failry meaningless at this point anyway. And if you think Belinda Stronach - the Paris Hilton of Canadian politics - is the Tories best bet (or even more improbable: Joe freaking Clark?) then I severely question your understanding of Canadian politics.

Harper is a good, decent man. He's a trained economist, not another %@!*#! lawyer, and unlike Jack (my dad was a Tory cabinet minister) Layton and Paul (so was my dad, only Liberal) Martin, he is a self made man and not a second generation political hack. Yes, his leadership and haircut have been subpar but he's only been on the job a little over a year. The Tories haven't even had time for a policy convention yet. Go ahead and vote for the best haircut if you want, I'll be voting for the best man for the job and the best policies.

Token on-topic take for the Modman: Liberal policies are destroying Canada too.

David St. Hubbins

Harper will never get the keys to 24 Sussex. He’s too, well, Albertan. Let’s face it, ever since the Bloc québécois was formed, the conservatives have absolutely no chance of winning Quebec. And without a solid control of Quebec, it’s VERY hard to get a majority government. Their only chance would be to get Ontario. However, most Ontarians are scared of Harper (just look at what happened during the last election). Stronach is a viable option, she’s just young. Give her a couple years. The only other hope for the Conservative party would be Bernard Lord, but he doesn’t seem to have any plans of running for the federal government.

All in All, you can expect see another decade of Liberals dominating the House in Canada (you should be scared of Martin’s successor if you think he’s “too liberal”)

Reply By: J.E.Posted: Sunday, March 06, 2005Harper will never get the keys to 24 Sussex. He’s too, well, Albertan. Let’s face it, ever since the Bloc québécois was formed, the conservatives have absolutely no chance of winning Quebec. And without a solid control of Quebec, it’s VERY hard to get a majority government. Their only chance would be to get Ontario. However, most Ontarians are scared of Harper (just look at what happened during the last election). Stronach is a viable option, she’s just young. Give her a couple years. The only other hope for the Conservative party would be Bernard Lord, but he doesn’t seem to have any plans of running for the federal government.All in All, you can expect see another decade of Liberals dominating the House in Canada (you should be scared of Martin’s successor if you think he’s “too liberal”)

hey this is really great, you canadians talking politic here, if i only knew who all these people are, i could comment.

but blog on yer all welcome to stay and do what ya do, even if i never comment.

JE, do you think Canada would prefer another Quebec PM? Hey, they've only had the job since 1968 Haper - who was born in Ontario and speaks french better than Martin - does not need a majority or Quebec to get the keys to 24 Sussex, so your logic fails. Do you think with the Adscam enquiry moving to Montreal that the Liberals are gonna do better there next election? I don't.

Ontario is getting screwed really, really badly by the federal Liberals via equalization and immigration payments, and even the finance minister admits that. I think Ontario voters are going to clue in next election and ask themselves if they want another Liberal PM who will cut fat cheques with Ontario tax dollars to Quebec and the East purely for vote buying purposes. Harper is no dummy and you can count on him to make this a major campaign issue. McGuinty hurts the Liberals badly in Ontario, I can assure you. So if Adscam lowers Liberal support in Quebec, and McGuinty and equalization lowers Liberal support in Ontario, where do the Liberals expect to win enough seats to form a government?

You state your opinions on Stronach, Lord et al as fact when they are highly debatable at best. One more point to note: separatism. Albertans are becoming increasingly unahppy with confederation and I don't blame them. Believe it or not, some Albertans and Ontarians don't like the fact that they get substantial money taken off their paycheque to be given to another province. Some Albertans and Ontarians resent the fact that they can't grow up to be Prime Minister because they belong to the wrong ethnic group and province. What I'm saying is that there are a lot of issues at play that aren't on the front page of the Globe and Mail that need to be taken into consideration when prognosticating politically. And if the choice is 10 more years of Liberal policies or separation, don't discount the latter as a better and viable alternative for many Canadians.

David St. Hubbins

All the world sees of America is what their press and “news” stations want them to see.

Ever read any Noam Chomsky? You don't know the half of it.

He's a trained economist, not another %@!*#! lawyer, and unlike Jack (my dad was a Tory cabinet minister) Layton and Paul (so was my dad, only Liberal) Martin

First, Jack Layton was never a lawyer.

it was damn close,

Well, it was prety close, but that was right after the sponsorship scandal, and Paul Martin ran a horrible campaign. I don't think the Conseratives will get that lucky again. Unless, of course, they fight an election over same-sex marriage against a man who supports it, but can't say the words "I support gay marriage." In that case, the NDP would make serious gains in mostly liberal (small l) urban areas, especially when by voting Liberal, you have about a 1 in 3 chance of supporting someone who agrees with Stephen Harper.

Go ahead and vote for the best haircut if you want, I'll be voting for the best man for the job and the best policies.

How can I be voting by haircut when I support a bald man? I'll be voting for the man with the best policies. Lets face it: Liberal policies are what makes Canada great, but most of those are just stolen from the NDP (ie: medicare)

JE, do you think Canada would prefer another Quebec PM? Hey, they've only had the job since 1968

Turner and Campbel weren’t from Quebec. It's not Quebec's fault if they were incompetent and lost the power in their first year

Haper - who was born in Ontario and speaks french better than Martin

Martin’s French is much much much much better than Harper’s. Martin’s coherent, at least. What are you basing yourself on to say that; do you even speak French?

Ontario is getting screwed really, really badly by the federal Liberals via equalization and immigration payments, and even the finance minister admits that. I think Ontario voters are going to clue in next election and ask themselves if they want another Liberal PM who will cut fat cheques with Ontario tax dollars to Quebec and the East purely for vote buying purposes. Harper is no dummy and you can count on him to make this a major campaign issue. McGuinty hurts the Liberals badly in Ontario, I can assure you. So if Adscam lowers Liberal support in Quebec, and McGuinty and equalization lowers Liberal support in Ontario, where do the Liberals expect to win enough seats to form a government?

Harper still embodies the Alliance. The Alliance was perceived in Ontario as a Western regional party. As long as he’s there, the Conservative party will have problems.

Quebecers are really getting tired of the Sponsorship scandal. They just don’t care anymore (well, not as much). It’s pretty impossible for the Liberals to do any worse in Quebec in the next election.

And if the choice is 10 more years of Liberal policies or separation, don't discount the latter as a better and viable alternative for many Canadians.

Albertan “separatism” is laughable. It’s not based on national identity of anything remotely like in Quebec. They just want more money and power.

Reply By: latour999Posted: Sunday, March 06, 2005All the world sees of America is what their press and “news” stations want them to see.Ever read any Noam Chomsky? You don't know the half of it.

nope I am depressed enough, altho I will look up his works, now.

Reply By: latour999Posted: Sunday, March 06, 2005

I'll be voting for the man with the best policies. Lets face it: Liberal policies are what makes Canada great, but most of those are just stolen from the NDP (ie: medicare)

too many liberal policies ie: entitlements. are what is destroying america, canada too, takes away a persons will to do for themselves.

When you speak of "old fart conservatives", who and what policies are you speaking of?

And liberal wing of the Democratic Party shrieking? What about Zell Miller?

You also called some people liars but gave no evidence of that.

And also, why is it that people you (not you personally, I mean people in general) politically disagree with always hate their country. Did it ever cross people's minds that they didn't hate the US, but that they love their country and just have a different (Whether its right or wrong is irrelevant in my point) idea of how to make it better?

Also, removing "God" from the pledge of allegience is not going to demoralize America. Think about it. Seriously.

You also speak of the liberal wing of the Dem Party destroying America. What a second! Who's in the power? I'm pretty sure it ain't the Democrats, let alone the Far Left. Last time I checked, Republicans hold the White House, the Senate, the House, and the Supreme Court (yeah, you got O'Connor tipping everything, but, okay). The Democrats seem only able to check the Republicans. They're not in a position to cause this trouble you claim that the are doing right now.

JE - Alberta separatism is very real and is based on legitimate concerns with Confederation I've listed above and you've chosen to ignore. And when Ontarians clue into how badly they are getting scammed by the Liberals it's reasonable to suggest that they will consider alternative confederal arrangements. My french is OK, my impression of PM Dithers' and Harpers' french is based on hearing them speak it and has been echoed in the media. If you believe Quebeckers don't care about Adscam, that Alberta separatism is a joke, or that Belinda S is a viable - in any sense - candidate to lead the Conservatives then I have to question some of your beliefs.

Latour - I didn't mean to imply he was a lawyer (I wonder if that's grounds for libel?), the sentence could've been better written. I kinda like Jumpin' Jack Layton, I just hate his policies, which he stole from Mao, Pol Pot, and Satan. It's Canadian PEOPLE, not Liberal policies, that make Canada great. Legislation doesn't hold the door open for strangers; policy does not say please and thank you.

Anyhoo, I'm looking forward to the Conservative policy convention. I abhor the hollow 'beer commercial' patriotism in our country; I aspire for my country to be more than a health insurance plan. Here is a good example of how Liberal policy works: the Liberals want to spend billions on state run child care. The conservatives want to give parents a tax credit instead, so they can either stay home with their kids or buy their own daycare. Polls show that Canadians would prefer to raise their kids at home.

When confronted with this poll, Social Development Minister Ken Dryden suggested that Candians were being dishonest in responding to the poll. Yeah, that's right: the Liberals are so arrogant that when Canadians don't agree with their Orwellian child rearing policies, they assume Canadians are lying. Nice. Even if state run childcare was a good idea, which it is not, the Liberals have proven with the gun registry and adscam that they are unable to deliver services in an efficient and equitable manner, and that's a good a reason as any to vote Conservative.

A majority of Canadians are against gay marriage, so the Liberals call a majority of Canadians bigoted (not in so many words, but that's the angle they are playing). Now, it's a human right and a Charter right all of a sudden, despite the fact that gay marriage has never been defined by any court or tribunal in any country in the world or the UN as a human right. I don't have much problem with gay marriage, but I don't like having leftist agendas rammed down my throat via fake claims of bigotry.

Eighty six percent of Canadians are against an increase in immigration, yet the Liberals want to increase immigration, which is already the highest in the world. Try arguing that maybe, just maybe, we should cut down on immigration and you're racist. These are just a few examples of how Liberals are destroying Canada.

David St. Hubbins

David, where are you from exactly? Let me guess, some small town in the Prairies?

Even if Alberta “separatism” is “very real”, like you say, it would take them many decades to organise anything substantial. It took Quebec more than 30 years to have a real chance of seceding. All this separation talk isn’t new either. The Canadian confederation is an artificial one that has been forcibly made. During the first election in 1867, 18 out of the 19 MPs from Nova Scotia were from the Anti-Confederate party who’s only goal was the separate from Canada. But guess what, it’s still there. To believe that Alberta separatism is “real”, is, well, unrealistic.

And forget what the National Post or any other whacked out conservative newspaper told you, Harper’s French is horrible.

The sponsorship scandal wouldn’t have the same effect on the next election in Quebec. It isn’t fresh anymore. It was so devastating during the last election only because it was new and because Martin was totally incompetent in managing it.

A majority of Canadians are against gay marriage, so the Liberals call a majority of Canadians bigoted (not in so many words, but that's the angle they are playing). Now, it's a human right and a Charter right all of a sudden, despite the fact that gay marriage has never been defined by any court or tribunal in any country in the world or the UN as a human right. I don't have much problem with gay marriage, but I don't like having leftist agendas rammed down my throat via fake claims of bigotry.

Actually, most polls say that a slight majority of Canadians are for gay marriages. But this is about more than gay marriages. It’s about having a uniformed definition of the Charter of Rights. 7 of the 10 provinces and 1 territory have ruled that it was against the Charter not to allow gay marriages. Therefore, you cannot, for the unity of the country, allow 3 provinces to have a different definition of the fundamental rights.

Even if, by some miracle, Harper was in power with a majority, he could never ban gay marriages in those provinces. The courts would throw any legislation out. All he could do is use the Notwithstanding clause, but that would inevitably ruin his career. Interfering in provincial rights is very risky.

JE: 'avid, where are you from exactly? Let me guess, some small town in the Prairies?'

Now I've seen some sleazy debate tactics here at JoeUser, but suggesting my opinion is invalid because you (very wrongly) assume I'm some kind of hick that just fell off the turnip truck is a new one. It speaks volumes about how badly you misunderstand your fellow Canadians; believe it or not, many people who think the Liberals suck don't live in West Bumfuck, Saskatchewan.

Harper doesn't need to use the Notwithstanding clause. "Fundamental Rights" are not rabbits you pull out of a hat; gay marriage has never been considered a fundamental right anywhere by any judicial body. The poll where a majority of Canadians "supported" gay marriage? That question was more loaded than Ralph Klein on a Saturday night and if you don't believe me then google it. Most of the rest of the stuff you wrote is wrong, too, but I don't have time to refute it. You have proven to be unworthy of The St. Hubbins Experience and I request that you exit this thread at once. Have a nice day.

David St. Hubbins