Who are conservatives? An analogy

from PolMach Forums
There are generally four types of conservatives/republicans. The first type feels that the major cities have to much of a voice in governement and want small town american values represented in Washington. 'America is not a country with a few important cities on the coast and a whole lot of nothing in between'. Although i agree with some democratic principles, i resent big city democrats running the country. The second, unfortunately are greedy big city plutocrats who have only money on their minds and have the every man for himself mindset (who cares if Joe Blow was in a workplace accident and can't afford to feed his family anymore, I need to make the downpayment on my second Lexus), then there are the paranoid, fearful white suburban folk, who want guns,guns, guns to protect themselves from ever growing urban minorities and the terrorists also including 'security moms', the fourth of course are wacko christians who of course don't realize that the right totally goes against good traditional christian values except with respect to restrictions on abortions and gays. Any other reasons would have to do with greed, fear, selfishness, distorted world views/stupidity, hate or to much fox news.
Come on people open your eyes!
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
Then there are the bloggers who cut and paste in a font and size apparently unknown to the JU scripting, so their articles are difficult to read! ;~D
Reply #2 from PolMach Forums Top
the right totally goes against good traditional christian values except with respect to restrictions on abortions and gays.


Please explain. Maybe I miss something here. Tell me some examples.

This is not an attack on you, I just want to know your thoughts.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
And just what do you have against firearms?
Reply #4 from PolMach Forums Top
You know of course that you are totally wrong. You have described 4 conservatives, not 4 types. Each conservative is that way because of their own personal reasons. I dont come from a small town, but I like their values. I dont own a gun, but do support the right of others to do so. I have never been rich (and the last car I will own is a lexus), but I would like to think if I work hard enough I can be. I am a solid christian, and dont feel that I am whacko, or that the earth was created 6000 years ago (can you say allegory? I thought you could).

But your attempt at a flame war seems to have fizzled. Other than being hard to read, you just dont have that attack gene that some others do. Dont try to develop it. Those others are only happy when they are bitter, or others are sad.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
252:

yes, conservatives do have a strange morality. their concept of I got mine you get yours is exactly what they practice. As to the Christian teachings they profess, simply read the Gospel according to Jesus Christ.

Sell all you have to help the poor.

The difficulty of a rich man getting into heaven.

The story of Lazarus and the rich man.

Do on to others as you would have them do unto you.

The conservatives turn their back on the very God they claim is the basis of their morality
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
The conservatives turn their back on the very God they claim is the basis of their morality


I'm sorry but this is just soooooooo much "bullshit"!
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
drmiler

Tell me how the Bush tax cuts square with what Christ said! You are the most uniformed person. If George was running off a cliff, you woild be a person close behind!
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top

drmiler

Tell me how the Bush tax cuts square with what Christ said! You are the most uniformed person. If George was running off a cliff, you woild be a person close behind!


Hey yo-yo......Taxs cuts do NOT have a thing to do with God's law!
Reply #9 from PolMach Forums Top
Thanks COL for answering my question. I do agree on most of those points with you.

I was hoping that 252 would reply though, I would like to see how the man ticks.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
Too bad the only options for the main article are "interesting" and "insightful". If ever there was a TROLLING article, this is it!

You seem to have forgotten many small government conservatives (and liberals, but this article is about conservatives) who feel that the government that governs best is that which governs least. Old Tom Jefferson musta been a moron, huh?
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top

Tell me how the Bush tax cuts square with what Christ said! You are the most uniformed person. If George was running off a cliff, you woild be a person close behind!

Confiscatory taxes are not charity.  Charity comes from the heart.  The only way charity can be given is from the self, not a mindless bureaucrat.  Therefore, allowing people to keep more of their money (note, that is not the same as GIVING anyone anything) allows them to then give more to charity.

any other stupid questions?

Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
Confiscatory taxes are not charity.


Ahh, if only I had more "insightfuls" to give.

I have explained it thusly. At Christmastime, you walk by Salvation Army bell ringers. My observations have shown that the majority of people give, at some time or another, amounts that may range as small as a nickle on up to large bills. But they do so willingly.

Now, using the same analogy, imagine the bell ringer was waiting outside with a gun, evaluating your income, and pulling your "share" out of your wallet. How good would you feel about the charity THEN?

The latter is EXACTLY what unnecessary taxation accomplishes.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Apparently, to you and the other liberals replying here, the government is the only means by which the poor can be helped.

I think it is the ultimate hypocrissy for anyone to whine and cry their pathetic crocadile tears calling for more government involvement in "welfare".

How is forced participation in welfare programs, "compassionate". I'm not saying you, or anyone else here at JU don't contribute time or means on your own, I have no way of knowing. However, it is my experience that most want the government to do it, so they don't have to.

To all who do help others on their own, GOOD ON YA!! To all who want the government to force others to do it so you don't have to, A POX ON YA!!!!

(((btw, glad you fixed the "unreadable" problem. I could read it this time, but I'm still trying to find the "analogy".))))
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
I see any subject at anytime is time for the left to lauch attacks on rightwingers and bush in p[articular... if we wait for another post or two here we are bound to see "where's the WMD"S"
Reply #15 from PolMach Forums Top
Therefore, allowing people to keep more of their money (note, that is not the same as GIVING anyone anything) allows them to then give more to charity.


Yes and we know how willing ud be to give more charity. Why give money to the governement for social programs, infastructure and helping the poor, when you could decide to maybe give a bit a of your money perhaps, if you wanted to. But why does it make a difference if u still will give away the money ur not taxed for.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top

Yes and we know how willing ud be to give more charity. Why give money to the governement for social programs, infastructure and helping the poor, when you could decide to maybe give a bit a of your money perhaps, if you wanted to. But why does it make a difference if u still will give away the money ur not taxed for.

You are wrong on so many facets. First, it is not always tax deductible.  Second Tax Deductible does not mean you save penny for penny for what you give.  Third, how I give my money and to which charities is my business, not yours, not the governments, not Aunt Ginny's.

No one gives money to the government, even the precious liberals who want to take more of your money (there is no law saying you cannot pay more in taxes than you are supposed to).  HOw much did Al Gore give in 1999? Less than $400.  How much did John Kerry give in 2003?  less than 5%.

Liberals are only compassionate when it is not there money.

Finally, all my donations go to help the poor.  None of it goes for infrastructure.  That is not charity, that is taxes.  When was the last time you donated anything for the sears tower in Chicago?

Grow up and earn your own money to give.  Dont give mine and call it your charity.  it is not.  It is robbery pure and simple.

Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
drmiler

The issue is not the tax cuts it what Bush is cutting. Help for the poor to heat their homes. Cuts to help ther poor with medical care. Help for vets pay for prescription drugs. If you think that is what Christ would do, you are reading a different Bible then the rest of us!
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
drmiler

The issue is not the tax cuts it what Bush is cutting. Help for the poor to heat their homes. Cuts to help ther poor with medical care. Help for vets pay for prescription drugs. If you think that is what Christ would do, you are reading a different Bible then the rest of us


YOUR the one who made it a tax issue and I QUOTE!!

Tell me how the Bush tax cuts square with what Christ said! You are the most uniformed person. If George was running off a cliff, you woild be a person close behind!


You poked the pooch on this one!
Reply #19 from PolMach Forums Top
So the Conservative answer to bleeding hearted Liberalism is:

If the rich get lots of money, they can GIVE lots of money!

(You seem to forget that if the government repealed the tax cuts then the poor could get their money by way of welfare which is more trust worthy than say...rich conservatives who believe that if they give their own money away it amounts more than if their taxes go to welfare and help the poor. Why don't you ask the less fortunate what they think about this?)

And the answer to taxes is:

If you take my money for the government, you are STEALING my money!

(Let's live a life without government! WHOO WEE!)

And the reason we hate liberals is:

They only payed their taxes plus a little extra.

(What bitches?!)
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
drmiler

The issue is not the tax cuts it what Bush is cutting. Help for the poor to heat their homes. Cuts to help ther poor with medical care. Help for vets pay for prescription drugs. If you think that is what Christ would do, you are reading a different Bible then the rest of us


YOUR the one who made it a tax issue and I QUOTE!!

Tell me how the Bush tax cuts square with what Christ said! You are the most uniformed person. If George was running off a cliff, you woild be a person close behind!


You poked the pooch on this one!


I see how it works *now* COL. When your called on something and caught without an answer that squares with your agenda, you just don't answer. Right?
Reply #21 from PolMach Forums Top
If the rich get lots of money, they can GIVE lots of money!


Wrong supposition. No one gave anything to the rich. A tax cut is just allowing someone to KEEP more of THEIR OWN money.