Bush understates budget deficit

The final budget deception is that even the President’s projected deficit of $10 Trillion by 2008 is understated by trillions of dollars. The reason the actual deficit is understated is because the budget deficit is calculated using an accounting trick called the “Unified Budget”.

The unified budget combines the Federal Budget with Social Security and Medicare. At the present time, both Social Security and Medicare show an annual surplus. They both collect more in taxes then they pay out in benefits. This will come to an end as the baby boomer retirements increase.

In 2003, a comparison of the deficit using the Unified Budget calculation with the Federal Budget, without Social Security and Medicare, was completed using data from the Congressional Budget Office by the Center For Economic And Policy Research. It clearly showed the impact of combining Social Security and Medicare with the Federal Budget. In 2003, the deficit reported by the Bush administration, using the Unified Budget method, showed a deficit of $400 Billion. Looking only at the Federal Budget, the 2003 deficit was $600 billion.

The study concluded that the tax cuts left the budget seriously out of balance and calculated what it would require in spending cuts or tax increases to bring the 2003 budget into balance without Social Security and Medicare. To balance the 2003 Federal Budget alone would require spending cuts of 36.1% or tax increases of 56.6%.

The only reason to distort the true federal deficit by adding the surpluses from Social Security and Medicare is to make the deficit appear smaller. When Social Security and Medicare no longer are generating an annual surplus, the true size of the Federal Budget Deficit will become clear. This process is like taking the income and expenses of two brothers and combining them. One brother spends far more then he earns while the other earns more then he spends. Together they may look fine but the true financial condition of each brother is distorted.
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You know it's always the same with you COL.
Bush is b-aaaaa-d! He doesn't know what he's doing. He's lying through his teeth. Do these sound familiar? Can you not find something else to hammer on?
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What I do is uncover the truth. This is 100 % fact!. It is you that says that it is Bush bashing. I dare you to show that this accounting trick is not happening! If President Bush had to certify the financial statements of the Federal Budget like the law requires for corporate CEO's, he would be in violation of the law. Too bad that law does not cover the nations CEO!

The reference is http://www.cepr.net/real_budget.htm
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What I do is uncover the truth. This is 100 % fact!. It is you that says that it is Bush bashing. I dare you to show that this accounting trick is not happening! If President Bush had to certify the financial statements of the Federal Budget like the law requires for corporate CEO's, he would be in violation of the law. Too bad that law does not cover the nations CEO


I never said that it was or was not true. What I said is it's *always* about Bush never anything but Bush. There are a LOT of other things going on in the world besides GW. And BTW I checked your link. Before I *believed* anything from that site I would cross reference their info to government sites.
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drmiler

my blog site is "Bush Truth" Yes, there are a lot of things going on that do not have anything to do with Bush. However, his actions, as our President, have a profound impact on your life and on my life. His policies, actions and statements have an impact all over the world.

The source of the data used by the Center For Economic And Policy Research is the Congressional Budget Office.
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drmiler

my blog site is "Bush Truth" Yes, there are a lot of things going on that do not have anything to do with Bush. However, his actions, as our President, have a profound impact on your life and on my life. His policies, actions and statements have an impact all over the world.

The source of the data used by the Center For Economic And Policy Research is the Congressional Budget Office.


Show me where they got that info from. Been to the CBO site and I can find NO reference to it. Here's the link Link

And just an FYI, I could care less about the rest of the world. Fix the messes here at home first. *Then* worry about the rest of the world.
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drmiler

Go to the actual study. The Center For Economic And Policy Research sight the CBO data. The site is: http://www.cepr.net/real_budget.htm

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drmiler

Go to the actual study. The Center For Economic And Policy Research sight the CBO data. The site is: Link_budget.htm


Your link isn't working correctly. Every time I try it comes back page not found. Try doing a cut and paste of the actual url and bypass the link button.
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I just used the URL and found the site;

tTry www.cepr.net/real_budget.htm

Use the "underline" between real and budget.
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I tried to add the link but it did not add it. Why?
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I just used the URL and found the site;

tTry www.cepr.net/real_budget.htm

Use the "underline" between real and budget.


That worked. All I can say is hahahahahaha. A co-director and a research associate wrote this?
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Are you brain dead? Yes the study was completed by the associate director and a research associate of the Center For Economic Ane Policy Research using the data from CBO. They used the Unified Budget and removed Social Security and Medicare revenue and expenses to isolate the federal budget Revenue and expenses. That shows the actual federal deficit in 2003 was $600 Billion not $400 Billion as reported. Anyone who can not understand when you combine two profitable operations with one losing money that you do not lower the deficit of the one losing money is brain dead!
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Are you brain dead? Yes the study was completed by the associate director and a research associate of the Center For Economic Ane Policy Research using the data from CBO. They used the Unified Budget and removed Social Security and Medicare revenue and expenses to isolate the federal budget Revenue and expenses. That shows the actual federal deficit in 2003 was $600 Billion not $400 Billion as reported. Anyone who can not understand when you combine two profitable operations with one losing money that you do not lower the deficit of the one losing money is brain dead!


And *you* know for a fact that their *research* is reliable? That would include the study itself ANS the assimilation of the *correct* data. So what *your* trying to say is that you no longer trust government figures?
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I know that if you add Social Security and Medicare that both have a surplus to the Federal Budget that hs a large deficit, the result is that you reduce the Federal Budget deficit. It is called adding and subtracting-- Simple Math! I also know it is not being streight with the taxpayers! If George Bush had to certrify the Federal Budget results each year the way corporate CEO's are required to do under a law he had supported, he would be in violation of that law. Problem is the President is not covered by that law. I wonder WHY?
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my blog site is "Bush Truth"


I just have to laugh at any Bush hater to claims to tell the "truth" about Bush. You should say it's the "liberals version of the truth".
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IslandDog

First, I have been a Republican for over 40 years. I am a moderate that believes in the old GOP. Balance the budget (prior to 1980) and stay away from "nation Building". That part of the Republican party has been subverted by the conservatives.

I DO NOT hate Bush I just show how his policies ARE NOT WORKING!!!!!

Over the past Four Years:

Job Growth has not kept up with population growth

Mfg Jobs are leaving this country

The trade deficit gets worse every year

The federal budget has gone south about $700 Billion

The federal deficit (cumulative amount) went from $5.7 to 7.6 Trillion and growing.

We have lost 1,450 lives, 25,000 injuries and $300 billion to exchange a evil dictator for a terrorist nest.

These are real life results since Bush took office. Which one of these do you think is good for the future of America?
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And you forgot to add in one more thing to your list COL (Clueless Old Liberal):

* we've gained one Clueless Old Liberal whiner who just won't quit complaining.


Out of curiousity, were you this whiny and one noted during Clinton's years?

Did you write anything pro Clinton or pro George H.W. Bush, or Reagan?


Besides Jimmy Carter, who are your heros and idols?
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Sen McCain The vet Bush blasted in 2000 was my man.

You Bush supporters totally ignore the results of the past four years. I did A lot better in the 1990's then since george took office!
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I did A lot better in the 1990's then since george took office!


Would that be because no one is buying your worthless book?


he shoots, he scores!
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Sen McCain The vet Bush blasted in 2000 was my man.

You Bush supporters totally ignore the results of the past four years. I did A lot better in the 1990's then since george took office!


Hey *smart guy* why don't you ask John McCain what he thinks of Bush now? I think you'll find he's singing a different tune now.
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He does not agree with many of the Bush policies. What he thinks and what he said to help Bush get reelected may be very different. If Bush had lied about me the way he lied about Sen McCain in Vietnam, I would not even talk to him. That was a shameful way to address the service of Sen McCain especially when you look at the Bush service during the Vietnam War! You Bush supporters NEVER address the facts presented but shift to something else. Bush distorts the size of the budget deficit by excluding $50 Billion of the cost in Iraq and hids another $200 Billion by adding the Social Security and Medicare surplus in his Unified Budget trick!
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And yet COL Gene's lies about being a Republican are acceptable?

Oh, wait, it depends on what the meaning of "is" is, right?

Republican in name only doesn't count. Your selection of McCain, who is a war hero, but is of slightly dubious character given some of the banking scandals in the past with which he was linked (and dodged a bullet on), is also a great indicator that you are not the moderate you claim to be.

McCain is a democrat in republican name. You are the same, and would behove yourself to admit it.


Finally, your constant one-note tune is tiresome. We know you don't like Bush. Why continue harping on just so you can be slapped back down into your place and have everyone continue to read these more accurate descriptions of your character? Do you really NOT want to sell books?
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And yet COL Gene's lies about being a Republican are acceptable?

Oh, wait, it depends on what the meaning of "is" is, right?

Republican in name only doesn't count. Your selection of McCain, who is a war hero, but is of slightly dubious character given some of the banking scandals in the past with which he was linked (and dodged a bullet on), is also a great indicator that you are not the moderate you claim to be.

McCain is a democrat in republican name. You are the same, and would behove yourself to admit it.


Finally, your constant one-note tune is tiresome. We know you don't like Bush. Why continue harping on just so you can be slapped back down into your place and have everyone continue to read these more accurate descriptions of your character? Do you really NOT want to sell books?


You mean your just now figuring out that the COL is a RINO? See COL, you can talk all the BS you want. I'm not the only one seeing behind the curtain.
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Im not a conservative but I am a Republican. As I have said, ALL bush supporters never face the truth. Bush said lets judge by results. I agree.

Has the trade deficit improved under the Bush policies?

Have we balanced the budget under Bush? Are we moving toward a balanced budget?

Has he brought this country together?

Are we more energy independent since Bush took office?

How does he plan to pay for the Medicare Prescription Drug coverage that begins next year?

HOW ABOUT REAL ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS? Not you are a Bush Basher or you are a liberal. ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!

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You Bush supporters totally ignore the results of the past four years.


Obviously not. You need to realize people like yourself are in the small minority in this country. This country is in great shape, not everything is perfect, but I'm certianly not moving to Canada.
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Has he brought this country together?


Not when we have yo-yo's like you running loose.