Our Envoy To Europe

Will It Do Any Good?

Apparently in a follow-up to Condoleezza Rice's week-long diplomatic trip to Europe earlier this month, Bush too will be trying to mend European-American relations. On the outside, this looks like a great plan. First stunning the European leaders with Rice's eloquence, then having the president himself do some diplomacy. Bush will visit Brussels, speak to Putin, Chirac, Schroeder, Blair, and others. Although diplomacy is never a bad thing, we don't know if this will work.

Europe and America have two entirely different cultures. One is staunchly liberal and socialist, while the other is more focused on faith, family, and freedom. The two cultures also look at each other in much different ways. To Europeans, Americans are a Bible-thumping, war-mongering, arrogant, ignorant, and rash bunch. To Americans, Europeans are lily-livered, weak-willed degenerates. No amount of diplomacy in Bush's second term can do anything to close this ever widening cultural rift. The effects of this trip will be confined to the governments themselves, many of which might not have the same leaders in another 5 years, and it will not affect the actual populaces' viewpoints.

However, these leaders may not even be affected by our envoy to Europe. Do you actually think Jacques Chirac will listen to Bush with an open mind? Bush's pleas of mending fences will fall on the deaf ears of Europe's diplomats and dignitaries. Only Blair and perhaps Berlusconi will listen to Bush, but they are not the ones we need to mend fences with. France, Spain, and Germany are the ones we most need to work with, but they will most likely just nod their heads to what Bush says and forget they ever had the talks a week from now.

In addition to the above reasons, our goals in this trip are not easy to achieve. The main focus will be on Iran, climate control and global warming, and arms sales to China. Europe will not budge on Iran no matter how persuasive their American counterparts are. Their goal is clear: "do not let Iran get nuclear weapons, but if they do, oh well." Global warming is an issue the US will not change their minds about. It is obvious that Bush will never sign the Kyoto Protocol, much to the displeasure of Europe. As for arms sales to China, we well know that European governments will go where the money is, and if that means selling weapons to China, so be it.

Sadly, this ambitious and well-intentioned trip to Europe may not go as well as we hoped. There are much too big of disagreements between the two cultures for one trip to fix. Europe's leaders probably won't heed what Bush says, either. And, finally, the issues are of too large a scale for the two powers to unite on. We can still hope for the best. We can still hope that Europe and America will reconcile. What can we do but hope?

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Unfortunately, you are right. No matter how many times we talk to Europe, it will never change anything. Our cultures are much to different; but Europe would do well to remember there are people like me, who are also, in American eyes, 'lily-livered, weak-willed degenerates.'
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I hope I'm wrong, but it doesn't appear to be that way.
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Poor Americans: War for Freedom that nobody want to have in that region, a criminal with his mafia gang as president.. Does it matter? No, Iraq has still the 2. largest oil reserves, so here is the reason. And exactly here is the difference between US and Europe: In Europe nobody believe in the holy mission of Freedom of the Bush gang..

What a surprise, Iran is next on the list. Maybe the country with the 3th or 4th largest oil reservers? What was the former job of the president again? Was it something with oil? Was there a long friendship between the families of Bin Laden and Bush? Is that a ferrytale?

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Poor Americans: War for Freedom that nobody want to have in that region,


I guess all those people who risked their lives to vote just didn't want freedom, right?


a criminal with his mafia gang as president.. Does it matter? No, Iraq has still the 2. largest oil reserves, so here is the reason. And exactly here is the difference between US and Europe: In Europe nobody believe in the holy mission of Freedom of the Bush gang.


I guess there are still people who believe the oil war conspiracies. Get over it, there was no war for oil. I would respond to the rest of your post, but it's obvious you believe all the left wing conspiracy theories, so it's really pointless.
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Lets see, I guess this Fazz person has covered most points. I’m sure Fazz has done a lot of research to write this article. I bet this person is very young. Probably 14-16 years old, am I right fazz? Sorry, it’s just I can tell you are so young by the way your ideas in your article are all jumbled up. You got the flow of what’s going on in the world, but I’m just saying that you would make a better politician than an actual writer. No offense if you do want to become a writer.
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Poor Americans: War for Freedom that nobody want to have in that region,


I guess all those people who risked their lives to vote just didn't want freedom, right?


a criminal with his mafia gang as president.. Does it matter? No, Iraq has still the 2. largest oil reserves, so here is the reason. And exactly here is the difference between US and Europe: In Europe nobody believe in the holy mission of Freedom of the Bush gang.


I guess there are still people who believe the oil war conspiracies. Get over it, there was no war for oil. I would respond to the rest of your post, but it's obvious you believe all the left wing conspiracy theories, so it's really pointless.
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I see even tho your being fair minded and to the point, you are being blasted by the weakminded and cowardly, weelcome to my world fazz.

NJ? you are not cowardly, weakminded, nor is your liver guilded with lily >smile> your a good man trying to come to grips with a mean world.
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Europe and America have two entirely different cultures. One is staunchly liberal and socialist, while the other is more focused on faith, family, and freedom.


While I will agree that the cultures are different, I don't think that your break down is accurate. I think that faith and family are just as important in Ireland, France and Italy as they are here.

Do you actually think Jacques Chirac will listen to Bush


And do you think Bush actually listens to Chirac? Let's not make this a black and white situation where the US is completely noble and trying their damnest to only work for good while Europe is the black sheep aiding evil.
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And do you think Bush actually listens to Chirac? Let's not make this a black and white situation where the US is completely noble and trying their damnest to only work for good while Europe is the black sheep aiding evil.


You are right, I really should have put that in their too. I was just trying to make a quick point with that, and I think Bush will approach this with as open of a mind as Chirac.

I’m sure Fazz has done a lot of research to write this article. I bet this person is very young. Probably 14-16 years old, am I right fazz?


No, actually I didn't do much research for this. I had known most of the information, but I did have to look up whether Condoleezza went to Europe in late January or early February. And you're not too far off with my age. 13. Thanks for your feedback, though. As I was typing, I felt my ideas didn't flow as well as they should.

Moderateman, your world is scary.
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"Europe and America have two entirely different cultures. One is staunchly liberal and socialist, while the other is more focused on faith, family, and freedom."

Quite a statement when America is where all this PC homosexual Cappuccino-drinking nonsense comes from.
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Sir Peter Maxwell, just to make you happy, let's say that I don't talk about Great Britain as Europe. They are entirely unique, and superior to me in every way. I bow to you, sir.
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I think Bush will approach this with as open of a mind as Chirac.


I tend to think that the President has already made up his mind and this trip is more of a diplomatic courtesy call. Sort of a "we value your input in this matter and will give your views our utmost consideration." Rumsfelld, warm up the jets.

The president does not seem to be a man who changes course easily, or even has the desire to. He may listen politely to what you have to say, but he's pretty well amde up his mind. And while clarity of vision and direction is a trait leaders need, care must be taken to ensure the vision does not turn myopic.

IG
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Yes, me too. I compared him to Chirac to say that the Europeans will be just as open-minded as we.
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NJ? you are not cowardly, weakminded, nor is your liver guilded with lily


There are some people back home who would argue with that, but thanks.

Replace the word generals with world leaders and this is dead-on:
"Ah, the generals! They are numerous but not good for much!"
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I don't see great chances for USA and Europe to get on the same line again.
Lets just try to accept the other part, but trying not get the other side more angry.
And i am pretty sure if the usa starts again some wars in the middle east, it will not take long until europe will get really pissed.
Why does you americans think its great to attack some countrys ? Your ppl die, (Ok not a lot of because of firepower and hightech)
and with every war you iniate you will lose more and more friends of the other demokratie countries.

Does Amerikans even care about other countries in the world ? Or do you believe you can handle the whole world if you just try hard enough, and all other just should follow ? For an example what questions ppl in europe start to ask...

No way USA and Europe can get in the next years again so close like in the 80, if usa will not stop this way sooner or later they will lose europe to the russias and china, i dont belive thats what you want ?
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With the way Russia is going, I have no fear of it taking our position. Tsar Putin isn't doing such a great job at advancing his country.

And we care what you think, to an extent. If we feel threatened by something, there is no way we will ask Europe's permission first. Of course, Europe doesn't have to ask for our permission to act.
Reply #17 Top
Great article with interesting points! I think most Europeans still like Americans(after all we have done quite a bit for them over the past century) However they simply abhor Bush. Perhaps After '08 if we get a more charasmatic leader in charge of diplomacy and our country then they will again lay down there signs and get along. But the EU urged on by French President Chirac is at least trying to become much more independant of US money. Over time I feel that it will become not so much a question of should we mend our relationships but simply, we need to do something.
Reply #18 Top
Good points DNCDude.

And in a bold move today, NATO has agreed to help the training of Iraqi troops. That is a big victory for Bush's diplomatic trip, one which I did not foresee. And France, in all its glory, is sending one officer over there to train the troops! I guess it is better than doing nothing, so I won't complain much.
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Reply By: TheFazzPosted: Tuesday, February 22, 2005Good points DNCDude.And in a bold move today, NATO has agreed to help the training of Iraqi troops. That is a big victory for Bush's diplomatic trip, one which I did not foresee. And France, in all its glory, is sending one officer over there to train the troops! I guess it is better than doing nothing, so I won't complain much.


I am glad only one frenchman is going over there to train Iraqis after all it just takes one frenchman to show how to surrender properly,he will teach Iraq the world famous, french/europe "run away and hide stratigy" or maybe help them build the iraqi magional line,
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Ha, at this point perhaps the Maginot Line could be used in Iraq. Then again...