Moderateman Moderateman

Joseph Goebbels,Reincarnated in Bill Moyer’s body?

▼

Joseph Goebbels,Reincarnated in Bill Moyer’s body?

Propaganda just isn’t for Nazi’s anymore

from JoeUser Forums
While I am sure liberals {far far left} will not like this comparison, it’s true.

Bill Moyer that Grammy getting “news man” and “commentator” extraordinaire is nothing but a shill for the far left wing of the Democratic Party.

He spews lies that are picked up by far left newspapers and then presented as truth.

It is truly criminal that he is allowed to receive public funding to spread his propaganda.

How is it that being so one sided, can even be interrupted as fair and balanced?

He is heralding Howard dean as the savior of the Democratic Party.

Yayyyyyyyy This makes me happy.

If Howard dean and Bill Moyer are indicative of what the democrats want to represent them, all I have to say is. Go democrats go.

Now with Nancy Pelosi being hailed as a moderate democrat by the guardian paper of Sanfrancisco and hanoijohn Kerry the best the Democrats have to offer, with Hillary coming up on the inside and Ted Kennedy as their statesman. Things just keep getting better and better for us republicans.
Now I have stated things rationally with no venom so if any democrats read this TRY to behave the same way.. OR PAPA SPANK!! WorldNetDaily James Watt: Moyers' article put false words in my mouth Minneapolis Star Tribune (subscription), MN - 16 hours ago A blogger brought to my attention an Op Ex article by Bill Moyers that appeared in the Jan. 30 Star Tribune entitled, "There is no tomorrow.". ... Moyers apologizes to Watt for smear WorldNetDaily Bill Moyers Apologizes to James Watt for Apocryphal Quote Editor & Publisher A great column, a weasel's correction Power Line WorldNetDaily - all 6 related »
politics
24,440 views 93 replies
Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top

those 2 fellas are from the bring home the terrorist feed em , bath em and love them till they change scholl of non-thought

Dont forget to change the diapers as they cower in fear from being caught too!

Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Thursday, February 10, 2005those 2 fellas are from the bring home the terrorist feed em , bath em and love them till they change scholl of non-thoughtDont forget to change the diapers as they cower in fear from being caught too!


these so called men would shit their pants if they had to fight and shed blood for freedom.
Galactic Civilizations III
Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top

these so called men would shit their pants if they had to fight and shed blood for freedom.

As the song says, Suicide is painless.  And in a way it is easy. YOu dont have to fear being hurt because your pieces will be all over the area before you have time to think.

Reply #29 from PolMach Forums Top
Reply #17 By: Citizen Dr. Guy - 2/10/2005 7:27:55 AM wrote:
That would put you left of Mao Tse Dung!


On what planet? Oxycontinia? Uranus? !
Reply #30 from PolMach Forums Top
Reply #21 By: Citizen Moderateman - 2/10/2005 11:23:20 AM wrote:
i HAVE A VALID REASON TO intensly dislike hanoijohn


Uh huh. He dared to run against GWB. That's reason enough for your kind.

http://www.goingupriver.com/
Reply #31 from PolMach Forums Top
On what planet? Oxycontinia? Uranus?


On earth, unless you look like Uranus.
Reply #32 from PolMach Forums Top
Uh huh. He dared to run against GWB. That's reason enough for your kind.

http://www.goingupriver.com/


many people have a very valid reason for thinking he is slime in a spit bucket. How about 2.5 million service men who were called war criminals by him with no supportive evidence (other than his own admitted crimes). Moderate man is one of them. My Father and Uncle were 2 others. None of them were or are, Just hanoiJohn.
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: ProgressiveUSAPosted: Thursday, February 10, 2005


That's reason enough for your k


Exactly what kind am I?
Reply #34 from PolMach Forums Top
Reply #18 By: Citizen Dr. Guy - 2/10/2005 7:29:17 AM wrote:

Can you elaborate and provice documentation on what his torture policy is?


Sure Mr StallingTactic. Knock yourself out:

<< The roots of torture, Newsweek, 24 May 2004:

One Justice Department memo, written for the CIA late in the fall of 2001, put an extremely narrow interpretation on the international anti-torture convention, allowing the agency to use a whole range of techniques—including sleep deprivation, the use of phobias and the deployment of "stress factors"—in interrogating Qaeda suspects. The only clear prohibition was "causing severe physical or mental pain"—a subjective judgment that allowed for "a whole range of things in between," said one former administration official familiar with the opinion. On Dec. 28, 2001, the Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel weighed in with another opinion, arguing that U.S. courts had no jurisdiction to review the treatment of foreign prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. The appeal of Gitmo from the start was that, in the view of administration lawyers, the base existed in a legal twilight zone—or "the legal equivalent of outer space," as one former administration lawyer described it. And on Jan. 9, 2002, John Yoo of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel coauthored a sweeping 42-page memo concluding that neither the Geneva Conventions nor any of the laws of war applied to the conflict in Afghanistan.

By Jan. 25, 2002, according to a memo obtained by NEWSWEEK, it was clear that Bush had already decided that the Geneva Conventions did not apply at all, either to the Taliban or Al Qaeda. In the memo, which was written to Bush by Gonzales, the White House legal counsel told the president that Powell had "requested that you reconsider that decision." Gonzales then laid out startlingly broad arguments that anticipated any objections to the conduct of U.S. soldiers or CIA interrogators in the future. "As you have said, the war against terrorism is a new kind of war," Gonzales wrote to Bush. "The nature of the new war places a high premium on other factors, such as the ability to quickly obtain information from captured terrorists and their sponsors in order to avoid further atrocities against American civilians." Gonzales concluded in stark terms: "In my judgment, this new paradigm renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4989436/site/newsweek/ >>

A couple more sources:
Alberto's memo to GWB: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4999148/site/newsweek/
Ashcroft refuses to release DoJ torture brief: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24867-2004Jun8.html

And before you start throwing blame at your political opponents, remember: the military pros opposed the political choice to use torture:

<
Reply #35 from PolMach Forums Top
Reply #33 By: Citizen Moderateman - 2/10/2005 12:38:12 PM wrote:

Exactly what kind am I?


The kind that puts party ahead of facts, logic or country.
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: ProgressiveUSAPosted: Thursday, February 10, 2005Reply #18 By: Citizen Dr. Guy - 2/10/2005 7:29:17 AM wrote:Can you elaborate and provice documentation on what his torture policy is


as usual you do NOT answere docs question, you supply many things here..NOT ONE OF THEM SANCTIONED by MY President. typical evasion and deflecting of rational questions, which is the forte of left leaning lemonhead losers.
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top

The only clear prohibition was "causing severe physical or mental pain"—

So, if you lose sleep that is torture?  I think you just topedoed your whole arguement, but then I knew you did not have one. Fly away Mao.

Reply #38 from PolMach Forums Top
Reply #31 By: Citizen Dr. Guy - 2/10/2005 12:33:55 PM wrote:

On earth, unless you look like Uranus.


Sorry dude. I already used the Uranus joke.

And if you think I'm to the left of Mao, you're even dumber than you sound.
Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top

Sorry dude. I already used the Uranus joke.

And if you think I'm to the left of Mao, you're even dumber than you sound.

Game over.  The loser cannot use logic, so now he resorts to name calling.  Way to go Mao.

Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: ProgressiveUSAPosted: Thursday, February 10, 2005Reply #33 By: Citizen Moderateman - 2/10/2005 12:38:12 PM wrote:Exactly what kind am I?The kind that puts party ahead of facts, logic or country.


wow you are amazing , you sure have pegged me right. man on man I might just as well bow to your skills at discerning who I am in such a short time. I guess I will just have to follow YOUR example of fair and balanced then huh? maybe switch parties? become a leftwing democrat? I stand in awe of your brillance and powers of observation.
Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: ProgressiveUSAPosted: Thursday, February 10, 2005

BTW, why are you so afraid of the liberal label?  You are not a progresive.  A progressive is open to new ideas and new ways to do things.  You only spout the liberal, ultra at that, line.

Are you ashamed to be called a Liberal?

Reply #42 from PolMach Forums Top
as usual you do NOT answere docs question, you supply many things here..NOT ONE OF THEM SANCTIONED by MY President. typical evasion and deflecting of rational questions, which is the forte of left leaning lemonhead losers.


So Alberto justifies torture in a memo to GWB, Geneva is declared obsolete, & torture takes place in Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo & other places over the objections of JAGs.

Yet YOU claim that's 'not sactioned.'

None so blind as those who will not see.
Reply #43 from PolMach Forums Top
Reply #38 By: Citizen Dr. Guy - 2/10/2005 12:54:02 PM wrote:

So, if you lose sleep that is torture? I think you just topedoed your whole arguement, but then I knew you did not have one. Fly away Mao.


Go do your own homework. Read Geneva. That's the law that was broken.

Deal with it.
Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: ProgressiveUSAPosted: Thursday, February 10, 2005as usual you do NOT answere docs question, you supply many things here..NOT ONE OF THEM SANCTIONED by MY President. typical evasion and deflecting of rational questions, which is the forte of left leaning lemonhead losers.So Alberto justifies torture in a memo to GWB, Geneva is declared obsolete, & torture takes place in Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo & other places over the objections of JAGs. Yet YOU claim that's 'not sactioned.'None so blind as those who will not see.


I see so the simple knowledge denotes guilt> if so the YOU are guilty also. so am I. and as for blind, you do not want me shooting at yer azz with open sites at 500 meters. ya really do not. altho you might not know about weapons cause they're bad and they scare you.
Reply #45 from PolMach Forums Top
Reply #39 By: Citizen Dr. Guy - 2/10/2005 12:55:10 PM:

Game over. The loser cannot use logic, so now he resorts to name calling. Way to go Mao.


Um, you called me 'left of Mao'. So I guess, as the first act of name calling, would be 'game over' by your definition.
Reply #46 from PolMach Forums Top
Go do your own homework. Read Geneva. That's the law that was broken.

Deal with it.


See? You are wrong again! No Law was broken. You are grasping at straws and failing to even catch the hay. But nice non-answer. You are out of them, but then you never had any.
Reply #47 from PolMach Forums Top
Um, you called me 'left of Mao'. So I guess, as the first act of name calling, would be 'game over' by your definition


left of Mao is not name calling, unless you are ashamed to be called a leftist. Where did you go to school? massachuttes? Are you even out of school?
Reply #48 from PolMach Forums Top
wow you are amazing , you sure have pegged me right.


Hey thanks!

I guess I will just have to follow YOUR example of fair and balanced then huh? maybe switch parties? become a leftwing democrat?


Naw. Just abide by true conservatism. I can respect that. I disagree with most of it, but I respect it.
Reply #49 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: ProgressiveUSAPosted: Thursday, February 10, 2005


Naw. Just abide by true conservatis


well then I will have to withdraw my support of a womans right to choose, gun control, stemcell research, conservation and other issues, but if it makes you happy I will be glad to do so... NOT!!!!!!!!!!
Reply #50 from PolMach Forums Top
BTW, why are you so afraid of the liberal label? You are not a progresive. A progressive is open to new ideas and new ways to do things.


Well, that's a fair statement, but it's not accurate. Here's the American Heritage® Dictionary definition of progressive:

1 - Moving forward; advancing.
2 - Proceeding in steps; continuing steadily by increments: progressive change.
3 - Promoting or favoring progress toward better conditions or new policies, ideas, or methods: a progressive politician; progressive business leadership.

It's not simply change for the sake of change. Or something new just because it's something new.

I don't like the word liberal because I don't think it says anything. It's a misnomer, just like 'conservative'. There's nothing conservative about torture, preemptive war, etc.