The Democrats piss me off again

Do Republicans truly believe there is no wrong as long as someone else does it to you first?

Everywhere I turn, I see Republicans scrambling to justify prison abuse and everything else with sad, pathetic, repeated lines that all amount to "but they started it."

I'm not really clear as to who released these new tapes, but I would assume that it is someone that is fighting on our side. If someone is fighting on our side, and they do something that we believe is wrong, we may speak out against it in the hopes of getting them to stop. We cannot do this to the terrorists, since they fight against us, and we are already persuading them with more immediate and explosive means. It is not that the democrats don't see the injustice in what the terrorists are doing, it is that it wouldn't do any good to point out the obvious when words won't change anything.

Morality is not relative. Killing does not become right because someone pissed me off, nor does rape become right because she broke up with me before I was ready. No matter what the terrorists do, we have a choice of retaliating the ethical or the unethical way. Too often, it sounds like republicans have completely erased this distinction.

What are we suposed to do Moderateman? Stoop down to their level?

Already the Democrats are crying that showing these men flies in the face of the Geneva conventions. {Too bad, so sad} AT the same time never crying the terrorist do the same thing.

I might not quite understand what your saying here, if however you are suggesting that Dems. do not cry for our troops or allies when such acts are committed against them, then I am sourly disapointed with this article.

Reply By: PhilomedyPosted: Sunday, February 06, 2005Do Republicans truly believe there is no wrong as long as someone else does it to you first?

I think most people not just republicans feel that way philo...

Reply By: DNCdudePosted: Sunday, February 06, 2005What are we suposed to do Moderateman? Stoop down to their level?

sure why not, as they do not even beging to respect our taking the higher ground. they laugh at us then behead us on t.v.

sure why not, as they do not even beging to respect our taking the higher ground. they laugh at us then behead us on t.v.

There terrorists Moderateman, they have no respect for anything outside their own pittiful little world. The U.S. invaded Iraq to liberate the people from under Sadam's oppresive rule, now we go in and fill the place. Personally, it doesn't work for me.

I think most people not just republicans feel that way philo...

And you believe it's right, do you?

Reply #6 By: Philomedy - 2/6/2005 1:46:13 PM I think most people not just republicans feel that way philo... And you believe it's right, do you?

I don't know about him but I do. Guess what..... someone spits on me, and I'll punch them in the eye. And just how is airing a video going against the geneva conventions or considered torture?

So, Democrats are pissed that the Iraqis are fighting fire with fire, and videotaping it in an effort to dissuade other would-be terrorists (which I'm sure is preferable to that would-be terrorist becoming a real terrorist, as it would prevent needless deaths), and that's a bad thing? So, they 'd rather not use fear to dissuade would-be terrorists, and instead want would-be terrorists to become real terrorists, and kill innocent Iraqis, and then be killed himself, which would then be CONDEMNED BY THE WORLD?

Reply #8 By: Juxtaposition - 2/6/2005 2:51:49 PM So, Democrats are pissed that the Iraqis are fighting fire with fire, and videotaping it in an effort to dissuade other would-be terrorists (which I'm sure is preferable to that would-be terrorist becoming a real terrorist, as it would prevent needless deaths), and that's a bad thing?

Not in my book it isn't. But of course we'll catch flak for this.

Sunday, February 06, 2005Do Republicans truly believe there is no wrong as long as someone else does it to you first? I think most people not just republicans feel that way philo...

I don't know about him but I do. Guess what..... someone spits on me, and I'll punch them in the eye.

There is an old saying I once heard, it goes something along the lines of Two wrrongs don't make a right.

There is an old saying I once heard, it goes something along the lines of Two wrrongs don't make a right.

There's another old saying I heard. It goes, "I'd rather have millions of Iraqis raped and murdered than see Iraqis fight back and hurt even just one terrorist."

Now, if that's not what you're saying, and you agree that the Iraqis have every right to kill the people that are killing them, then why does videotaping it make it so wrong?

Now, if that's not what you're saying, and you agree that the Iraqis have every right to kill the people that are killing them, then why does videotaping it make it so wrong?

There are simply too many better ways of going about ending the violence. Of course though those methods are beyond the capabilities of our President in the hole he has sunk the hole situation into. Apparently do wrongs domake a right, just in a different sense of the word.

Guess what..... someone spits on me, and I'll punch them in the eye.

Wow. Judging from your take on what the correct retaliation is, you probably don't have any problem beating me half to death for disagreeing with you, huh?

And just how is airing a video going against the geneva conventions or considered torture?

I don't know. This was Moderateman's point, not mine. Just as a sidebar though, if airing videos of terrorists doesn't violate the Geneva condition, the terrorists airing videos of our troops doesn't violate it either.

So, Democrats are pissed that the Iraqis are fighting fire with fire, and videotaping it in an effort to dissuade other would-be terrorists

My problem is not with videotapes, as I don't see what rights they violate. My problem is with the Republican attempt to justify the violations that have been committed, i.e. torture, prison abuse, etc.

There is an old saying I once heard, it goes something along the lines of Two wrrongs don't make a right.

There's another old saying I heard. It goes, "I'd rather have millions of Iraqis raped and murdered than see Iraqis fight back and hurt even just one terrorist."Now, if that's not what you're saying, and you agree that the Iraqis have every right to kill the people that are killing them, then why does videotaping it make it so wrong?

Wow. "Two wrongs don't make a right" somehow become "It's fine to rape and murder" once they hit Republican ears. If this is what you think everyone who disagrees with you is saying, I don't blame you for thinking you stand on some elevated moral ground.

And if it isn't wrong for the Iraqis to show videotapes of them killing terrorists, why is it wrong for terrorists to show tapes of them killing American soldiers?

There are simply too many better ways of going about ending the violence.

Can you give me one of these non-violent solutions?

Apparently do wrongs domake a right, just in a different sense of the word.

What's with people lately and the idea that killing violent people who are trying to kill you is wrong?

My problem is not with videotapes, as I don't see what rights they violate. My problem is with the Republican attempt to justify the violations that have been committed, i.e. torture, prison abuse, etc.

You're the one who brought up prison abuse and torture. From what I see, nothing in the original article was justifying torture or prison abuse.

Wow. "Two wrongs don't make a right" somehow become "It's fine to rape and murder" once they hit Republican ears. If this is what you think everyone who disagrees with you is saying, I don't blame you for thinking you stand on some elevated moral ground.

Well, when people insist that the Iraqis not use violence against the insurgents, what do you expect will happen? Do you honestly think the insurgents will simply give up?

And if it isn't wrong for the Iraqis to show videotapes of them killing terrorists, why is it wrong for terrorists to show tapes of them killing American soldiers?

Using this logic, one might say that since it's all right for American soldiers and Iraqis to kill terrorists, it's all right for terrorists to kill American soldiers and Iraqis, implying that using violence against terrorists is wrong, right?

Drmiller and moderateman are terrorists. Note to moderateman, by the way, use a dictionary.

Now, these two people are terrorists. If they were Iraqi, they would be the insurgents. They are the same type of people. They are the type of people that say "hey, there are some Americans trying to control our lives. Fuck them. I don't like this. Let's blow them up". See. they would see the control by the Americans as "spitting in my face", and the terrorist acts they would perform would be the "punching in the eye".

Let's round these two up and send them to guantamano.

Well, when people insist that the Iraqis not use violence against the insurgents, what do you expect will happen? Do you honestly think the insurgents will simply give up?

I don't recall anyone saying the Iraqis shouldn't use violence. Reread the phrase. Two wrongs don't make a right. That means that when one wrong is added to another wrong, the outcome cannot be a right.

You're the one who brought up prison abuse and torture. From what I see, nothing in the original article was justifying torture or prison abuse.

The original article was an echoing of the sentiment that is used to justify the aforementioned atrocities. It is this system of justification that I have a problem with.

Using this logic, one might say that since it's all right for American soldiers and Iraqis to kill terrorists, it's all right for terrorists to kill American soldiers and Iraqis, implying that using violence against terrorists is wrong, right?

Now, if that's not what you're saying, and you agree that the Iraqis have every right to kill the people that are killing them, then why does videotaping it make it so wrong?

This is your logic! Your argument, if I understood it correctly, is that if Iraqis have every right to kill those that kill them, it isn't wrong for them to air videos of it. I simply added to your logic, pointing out that since American troops are killing terrorists, the terrorists have every right to kill those that are killing them. And if so, why is it wrong for them to show videos of that?

And for the record, my implication is, and always has been, that using violence against anyone is wrong. Some people push you, and with some people there is no other option, but my feeling will continue to be that violence is wrong. In some cases it is justifiable, but it continues to be wrong.

I don't recall anyone saying the Iraqis shouldn't use violence. Reread the phrase. Two wrongs don't make a right. That means that when one wrong is added to another wrong, the outcome cannot be a right.

Right. Two wrongs don't make a right, and as you say later, violence is wrong, even if it's Iraqis using it against people that are trying to kill them.

This is your logic! Your argument, if I understood it correctly, is that if Iraqis have every right to kill those that kill them, it isn't wrong for them to air videos of it. I simply added to your logic, pointing out that since American troops are killing terrorists, the terrorists have every right to kill those that are killing them. And if so, why is it wrong for them to show videos of that?

You want to know why it's wrong? Because the terrorists killing the innocent Iraqis and American soldiers itself is wrong. Now if you're saying that killing the terrorists is wrong too, even though it's to prevent themselves from being killed, and therefore self-defense, then tell me, if it's wrong, and you aren't saying they shouldn't commit such wrong acts, are you saying that it's sometimes right to do wrong things? If so, that's the difference. It might be wrong, but in this case, it's right.

The original article was an echoing of the sentiment that is used to justify the aforementioned atrocities. It is this system of justification that I have a problem with.

I still don't see any mention of justifying torture or prison abuse in the original article. So it was in another article. Discuss it in that article.

Reply #5 By: DNCdude - 2/6/2005 1:29:59 PM sure why not, as they do not even beging to respect our taking the higher ground. they laugh at us then behead us on t.v. There terrorists Moderateman, they have no respect for anything outside their own pittiful little world. The U.S. invaded Iraq to liberate the people from under Sadam's oppresive rule, now we go in and fill the place. Personally, it doesn't work for me.

come on man do you really think we want to stay there any longer than we have to? please

Reply #6 By: Philomedy - 2/6/2005 1:46:13 PM I think most people not just republicans feel that way philo... And you believe it's right, do you?

I believe it's JUST not right. get me?

Reply #10 By: DNCdude - 2/6/2005 2:56:13 PM

There is an old saying I once heard, it goes something along the lines of Two wrrongs don't make a right.

thats a real nice rule to live by...in fantasy land.... in the real world you kill 3000 members of my family I try to kill all of your.. is it right? nope/ it just IS.

Reply #11 By: Juxtaposition - 2/6/2005 3:01:35 PM There is an old saying I once heard, it goes something along the lines of Two wrrongs don't make a right. There's another old saying I heard. It goes, "I'd rather have millions of Iraqis raped and murdered than see Iraqis fight back and hurt even just one terrorist." Now, if that's not what you're saying, and you agree that the Iraqis have every right to kill the people that are killing them, then why does videotaping it make it so wrong?

JUST more bleeding heart crap.. they bleed for everyone BUT the right ones.

And if it isn't wrong for the Iraqis to show videotapes of them killing terrorists,

they now read real slow.. ok??? please do not let democratic demetia get in the way......THE iraqis are showing them capptive... cowering , apoligetic.... when in the heck did I say films of KILLING TERRORIST???

don't know. This was Moderateman's point, not mine. Just as a sidebar though, if airing videos of terrorists doesn't violate the Geneva condition, the terrorists airing videos of our troops doesn't violate it either.

OH FOR gods sake man... its iraqis showing them, not american troops...

Reply #16 By: sandy2 - 2/6/2005 3:42:09 PM Drmiller and moderateman are terrorists. Note to moderateman, by the way, use a dictionary. Now, these two people are terrorists. If they were Iraqi, they would be the insurgents. They are the same type of people. They are the type of people that say "hey, there are some Americans trying to control our lives. Fuck them. I don't like this. Let's blow them up". See. they would see the control by the Americans as "spitting in my face", and the terrorist acts they would perform would be the "punching in the eye". Let's round these two up and send them to guantamano.

um sandy???? try it and find out what it's like to bleed for real.... I am an american patriot... and side note to sandy use a breath strip your stinking up the cyber air.