The ACLU is trying to embarras the United States

In a recent post on the ACLU website, it says that a federal judge in the state of New York has said that the CIA has to release it's documents on "torture". This is the report that I borrowed from the ACLU website.

Defense Department Illegally Withholding Photographs Depicting Abuse, ACLU Charges

NEW YORK-A federal judge today rejected an attempt by the Central Intelligence Agency to indefinitely delay the processing and release of critical documents pertaining to the torture or abuse of detainees held by the United States government. The ruling relates to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed more than a year ago by the American Civil Liberties Union and other organizations.

"The public has a right to information about the CIA’s role in the abuse and torture of detainees," said ACLU attorney Jameel Jaffer. "We are hopeful that today’s order will encourage the CIA to finally comply with our request for information."

The FOIA request was filed by the ACLU, the Center for Constitutional Rights, Physicians for Human Rights, Veterans for Common Sense and Veterans for Peace. The New York Civil Liberties Union is co-counsel with the ACLU in the case.

In September, Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein issued an order requiring all of the government agencies named in the lawsuit to search and review their files for records responsive to the FOIA request. However, at a hearing on December 22, the CIA argued that it did not have to search its operational files. In today’s ruling, Hellerstein found that the CIA "failed to articulate a viable reason" why the agency’s operational files should be exempt from the September order.

Hellerstein also noted that the CIA’s Inspector General is conducting an investigation into impropriety and possible criminal activity by CIA personnel in Iraq, and that the CIA has already searched its operational files in connection with that investigation.

Thus far, the ACLU and other organizations have received and disseminated more than 23,000 pages of documents in response to the lawsuit. The records received from the government agencies, which include the FBI, Justice Department and State Department, have shown patterns of widespread abuse of detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay. The documents also show a rift between government agencies on the use of torture.

In addition to documents, the FOIA request also seeks videotapes and photographs depicting the treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, and other detention facilities. However, the Defense Department has so far refused to release these items. The ACLU and other organizations filed a brief on January 13 arguing that the Defense Department is withholding these materials unlawfully, and that any legitimate privacy interests in withholding the photographs and videotapes can be accommodated by obscuring the faces of the individuals depicted.

The Defense Department has asked the court to extend the deadline for processing remaining documents, which was originally scheduled for January 31. Attorneys for the organizations will appear in federal court in New York on February 22 to address this issue.

The lawsuit is being handled by Lawrence Lustberg and Megan Lewis of the New Jersey-based law firm Gibbons, Del Deo, Dolan, Griffinger & Vecchione, P.C. Other attorneys in the case are Jaffer, Amrit Singh, Omar Jadwat and Judy Rabinovitz of the ACLU; Art Eisenberg and Beth Haroules of the NYCLU; and Barbara Olshansky and Jeff Fogel of the CCR.

When those documents are released, they will cause an anti-america and an anti-Bush chaos.

The ACLU is about- to conserve America's original civic values - the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
That was also taken from the website. The last time I heard, terrorists that were fighting our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq do not qualify for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. That is why the ACLU should not be be Allies to this scum. They do not have rights under the Geneva Convention either. They do not have any wartime rights. The Geneva Convention only applies to people whos government has signed it. Since the terrorists do not have a govenment or a country, it does not apply to them.
Take that terrorists and the ACLU


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Actually, there are many Americans who feel that the entire original civic values of America were founded on the basic assumption that the rights we set out for ourselves are, indeed, universal rights. This is the argument that's used to justify (retroactively) our continued presence in Iraq: The inherent rights we afford others by default are better than the ones dictators provide to their subjects.

You can't have it both ways. If people have the right to not fear government and authoritarian powers, then they have the right to not fear any government and any authoritarian powers.

it's simply hypocritical to claim that we're trying to free people from tyranny while imposing it ourselves. Even if the people we're imposing the tyranny upon are, uniquivocally, guilty. In fact, that's another premise of our society: No matter how guilty you are of heinous acts, you still have basic, innate human rights. Those can't be abrogated, ever. Especially not at the whim of some governmental power structure. There's simply no "out clause" just because the people on the receiving end might be "evil" or "bad". "Evil" and "bad" are far too subjective to leave that kind of wiggle room.
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John Locke had said once that everyone is entitled to rights. I acknowledge that. One of those rights was the right to life. On 9/11, 3,000 Americans had lost that right when aircraft crashed into buildings and a field. I know terrorists do not want Americans to live at all. We must use agressive interrogations to make sure every American lives a long and productive life. Now if we do not use those, we will NOT get any infomation out of those murderers. Now if you want to live in fear, go right on ahead but I rely on my government to keep me safe and I will always rely on it.
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What about cases of wrongful arrest? Try telling Maher Arar that it's ok to torture people suspected of terrorism. If there's one thing I learned from TV and movies, it's that torturers don't like it when you say "I don't know"
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Did we torture him. No we did not. It is not ok to torture people. I admit that. What I do not get, if the ACLU is trying to help people around the world, why are they not helping people in North Korea, Iran, China, Lebannon, Syria, and Libya. I know why, they do not like the United States and they want to embarrass us. Why they are not sticking up for the people in Sudan. To busy trying to embarrass us.
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Did we torture him. No we did not. It is not ok to torture people. I admit that. What I do not get, if the ACLU is trying to help people around the world, why are they not helping people in North Korea, Iran, China, Lebannon, Syria, and Libya. I know why, they do not like the United States and they want to embarrass us. Why they are not sticking up for the people in Sudan. To busy trying to embarrass us.
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Pardon the Reply #5, My computer was slow so i klicked on submit twice