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Bush may lose by Iraq Vote!

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Bush may lose by Iraq Vote!

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Voter turnout in Iraq, which created euphoria in the Bush administration, could turn out to be a nightmare for this country. Although it is too early to have the final results from the election, it appears that the Shiite clerics hold a commanding lead.

The net result of the Iraqi election could be the creation of a government similar to the type of government in Iran. We have been unable to deal with the Iranian government for decades and if what results in Iraq is similar to the government in Iran, George W. Bush may have succeeded in turning an evil dictatorship into another Islamic regime that poses an additional threat to the United States and the West. If that is the result of this election, it is certainly no way to enhance the security of the United States or other nations plagued by the violent Islamic insurrection that is taking place.
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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #48 By: dabe - 2/5/2005 9:23:45 AM


geeeze just when ya think the toilet is flushed a lil brown "nugget" floats to the top again..
Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top
Parated2K

The issue is not if Saddam did not follow the U.N. or other agreements. China ignores trade , currency and property agreements and we make believe that is just fine as our jobs and economic security go down the tube. That may prove to be a much greater danger to American than Saddam. The issue is HOW DID SADDAM THREATEN US? The answer is the threat from him being in control of Iraq on a list of dangers to our freedem is near the BOTTOM of the list. To remove this very small threat, we have given 1,400 lives, 25,000 injuries and over $300 billion and more to come. That was not a good use of our resources, especially the dead and injured!
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Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top
geeeze just when ya think the toilet is flushed..........



That, of course, being you, mm. Like your dr buddy, you've got absolutely nothing relevant to say but trash and garbage. The blog version of spam.

Go flush yourself
Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #47 By: COL Gene - 2/5/2005 8:38:18 AM
All the speculation will be cleared up when we see what takes place in Iraq. To all that believe we were justified to go to war to remove Saddam, than why and when do we go to war with the 20 other evil dictators in the World? When do we remove the leaders of North Korea, Seria, Iran, and most of the leaders in the Middle East?

What gave us the right to invade other nations that did not attack us?


You like all the rest forget THEY attacked us. By "international law" their shooting at our naval and airforce places enforcing a *UN approved* no-fly zone is considered an attack by anyones book. Except maybe yours?
Reply #55 from JoeUser Forums Top
Condi is just paving the way for dabe.

Maybe in the Ward Churchill administration?

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #56 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #53 By: dabe - 2/5/2005 11:34:25 AM
geeeze just when ya think the toilet is flushed..........



That, of course, being you, mm. Like your dr buddy, you've got absolutely nothing relevant to say but trash and garbage. The blog version of spam.

Go flush yourself


To those dickheads who think that it's OK for people to treat other people like this, you're disgusting piles of trash. I would hope that you be on the receiving end of this "non-torture"., but I couldn't even wish it on anybody. You're all a disgrace to the American flag, the American way of life, to any global humanity. These things are not "torture-lite", although I understand the idea that Cactoblasta was trying to make. Moderateman (in particular), may you rot in hell, you sick bastard

REMEMBER this dabe????? I do from an earlier so called even handed article from you...I guess in dabe land this comment is LIBERAL< FAIR BALANCED AND ADDING SOMETHING POSITIVE i AM NEVER GOING TO FORGET THIS EVER, AND ANY CHANGE i GET TO REMIND YOU AND THE REST OF JOEUSER WHAT A EVIL HEARTED MEAN SPIRITED WITCH YOU ARE i WILL.
Reply #57 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #55 By: Daiwa - 2/5/2005 1:13:34 PM
Condi is just paving the way for dabe.


maybe in jongs regime.
Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top
No drmiler. Iraq did not attack America. They did not pose any danger to us and no matter how ofter you say the same thing it does not make it true. We have made more enemies by invading Iraq then ever before. That does not make us safer. If the new government in Iraq is anything like the government in Iran, we have another long term enemy.
Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top
The issue is not if Saddam did not follow the U.N. or other agreements. China ignores trade , currency and property agreements and we make believe that is just fine as our jobs and economic security go down the tube. That may prove to be a much greater danger to American than Saddam. The issue is HOW DID SADDAM THREATEN US? The


Everytime Hussein's challenges of the terms of the ceasefire went unanswered, the strength of that agreement was weakened. As we redeployed from Iraq and later, Saudi Arabia, Hussein had already been seen by much of the Arab world as the victor of Gulf War 91.

If breaking a ceasefire agreement is not a legitimate reason to return to hostilities then ceasefire agreements are worthless.

The fact that we have appeased China for so long is exactly why they are emerging as such a threat. You know full well that a country like China must be dealt with much different than Iraq or others. If, as a Commander, you had one of your subordinate commanders in your office, "called on the carpet" for not addressing a problem in his unit, would you accept, "well sir, there are other problems going on out there, so I decided not to address either of them." ???

Each situation needs to be addressed based on its own dynamics. A ceasefire agreement needs to be enforced or it becomes the joke that the UN has allowed Res. 687 become. If that's the kind of nation you want the U.S. to be, that is your right, but personally I find appeasement both dangerous and pathetic.
Reply #60 from JoeUser Forums Top
We have made more enemies by invading Iraq then ever before.


Let's have a list of those "new" enemies we have now, COL Gene.

I'll look for that reply.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #61 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #58 By: COL Gene - 2/5/2005 1:53:19 PM
No drmiler. Iraq did not attack America. They did not pose any danger to us and no matter how ofter you say the same thing it does not make it true


Then show me PROOF that they never shot at our aircraft! I don't know what land your from but shooting at our military is an ATTACK on America in ANYONES book! Except maybe yours?
Reply #62 from JoeUser Forums Top
Everyone here should remember & understand that COL Gene has a lot invested in GWB failing. His book, which he keeps plugging in various threads, will be discredited if anything good happens on George's watch, so by definition nothing good has happened, or will.

I'll pause here, however, to give COL Gene credit for some thoughtful input on Social Security reform in another thread.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #63 from JoeUser Forums Top
Excuse me, mm, but if you read back through this article, you will see that you attacked me first. I just responded accordingly. Then, you have the audacity to complain that I'm mean spirited. As I said, go flush yourself.
Reply #64 from JoeUser Forums Top
Daiwa

The people that are killing our troops in Iraq every day. The millions of moslems that believe we are the invaders and should be killed. Read "Imperial Hubris" by Anonymous (Michael Scheuer former CIA agent) to learn what our policy in Iraq is doing to our security. The assessment of the CIA is that the threat is growing day by day. We help those who would kill our people every time the TV shows us killing moslems. We either must kill ALL the moslems or get out of Iraq.
Reply #65 from JoeUser Forums Top
The people that are killing our troops in Iraq every day. The millions of moslems that believe we are the invaders and should be killed.

Am I the only one that smells a little bigotry here? It sounds like the Col. feels that Arabs, or Moslims, don't have the ability to "handle" Democracy.

Maybe Bush isn't the only one he has an irrational hatred for...

Reply #66 from JoeUser Forums Top
The way many moslems feel about American policy has nothing to do with Democracy. It has to do with the fact they want us out of their part of the world and look on us as evil. The depth of their opposition to our being in Iraq and other moslem countriers is not understood by many Americans. This is not going away and our actions are like putting gasoline on a fire. The terrorists have a new playground called Iraq thanks to Bush.
Reply #67 from JoeUser Forums Top
" The way many moslems feel about American policy has nothing to do with Democracy. It has to do with the fact they want us out of their part of the world and look on us as evil. The depth of their opposition to our being in Iraq and other moslem countriers is not understood by many Americans."

That, to me, is utterly ignorant, or deranged. You can't possibly ignore the fact that the majority of Iraqis are satisfied to have us there until their nation is stable. This is a nation of 20 million people. We are dealing with tens of thousands of fighters opposing us. The constant use of "they" sounds awfully like other "theys" I have heard. Kind of scary...

Do you really think we would have lasted a day if we were facing 20 million anti-US forces? 5 million? Hell, every housewife that wanted one was issued a weapon before the invasion. Do you really think that this is the best they can do?

it's idiotic. If they didnt' want us there, we wouldn't be there. A small, small minority wants us to leave immediately. The rest are dissatisfied, but accept the necessity of our presence until their own government can control insurgents. This week one town slaughtered the insurgents that came to prevent them from voting. If they wanted, they could easily send us packing.

Reply #68 from JoeUser Forums Top
COL Gene, I repeat - give us the list of new enemies. The left has accepted as an article of faith that all non-Jewish inhabitants of the Middle East have hated America forever and wanted us out forever, not to mention Israel destroyed, and just don't want western-style democracy. So again, let us hear the list of new enemies. And tell me what those 8 million Iraqis were doing January 30th, if they so hate democratic freedoms.

And BakerStreet, I agree with you but I believe you may be overestimating a little - "tens of thousands" includes up to a 100k and I think the real number is less than 20k, if that. And we are learning that a substantial amount, and probably most, of the "insurgency" isn't "popular" at all, but a plan put in place by the deranged Saddam prior to the invasion, using means distributed around the country ahead of time. He may have been evil in every way, but he was cunning.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #69 from JoeUser Forums Top
What's the matter COL? nothing to add to reply 61?
Reply #70 from JoeUser Forums Top
Nothing I have read indicates the people of Iraq think of us as anything but occupying their country and want us out ASAP. There have been many reports by the our people (Military and Civilian) that indicate we get very little help. The terrorists attack our troops and fade back into the population. They operate under our nose day after day. They attack the most secure areas under the control of our military. That could not happen without the general population either helping them or refusing to help us. That does not sound like they want us there. The officials want us there to save their hides!
Reply #71 from JoeUser Forums Top
"And BakerStreet, I agree with you but I believe you may be overestimating a little - "tens of thousands" includes up to a 100k and I think the real number is less than 20k, if that."

Yep, but my point was even if 100,000 people are angry enough to kill to get us out of Iraq, that is still only 1/200th of the population. With the trouble we are already having with the 20k or so, these twits don't think 20 MILLION couldn't have us out on our ass in a week? Sure, we could entrench and wreak havoc, but we'd be killing thousands of Iraqis every day.

It is deranged to look at what is going on in Iraq and interperate it as the entire nation rebelling against our presence. Even if you ignore what we hear from them every other day, you can't ignore their actions. If they decided to get rid of us, we'd lose 1400 more by morning. Many of the insurgents aren't Iraqis at all, as the distaste the Iraqis often have for them proves.

Reply #72 from JoeUser Forums Top
"There have been many reports by the our people (Military and Civilian) that indicate we get very little help. "

Other than the 5000 or so a day that are showing up to join the police and military. Given they are much MUCH more likely to be killed by insurgents, I find it odd that they are picking the side YOU say they oppose.

Knee-jerk, anti-bush pablum, no different than anything else you write. Seems like you'd get tired of trying, knowing as you must how totally transparent it is.

Reply #73 from JoeUser Forums Top
Give us the list of new enemies.

What were those 8 million Iraqis doing on January 30th?

I keep asking, you keep changing the subject.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #74 from JoeUser Forums Top
Democracy in Iraq...yea.
Purple fingers with smiles...
Bush beams...
Kerry scowels...
Jihad time infidels...
Time to convert or die...
Democracy in Iraq...yea
Reply #75 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #73 By: Daiwa - 2/5/2005 8:38:27 PM
Give us the list of new enemies.

What were those 8 million Iraqis doing on January 30th?

I keep asking, you keep changing the subject.

Cheers,
Daiwa


He has no answer for you any more than he has an answer for my reply #61.