What makes Reagan so great, anyway?
I'm confused about this.
Now AWWWNOLD is trying to follow in his footsteps......
I'm confused about this.
| JFK Never lied under oath. And much to the chagrin of Mr Hubbins, neither did reagan. Ony one president did, and he was impeached for it. Umm, incorrect, clinton did, but of course from what i have heard from looking around, "he was a great economist" and a moral leader, well at least that is what i've heard... |
Unbelievably disgusting things to say Myrrander. I can't believe you're a public school teacher and would say such ugly things "Best thing is that he's dead".
When Ronald Reagan took office, Americans lived under the real fear of nuclear war. Taxes were incredibly high. The poverty rate was high. Unemployment was at 9%.
When Reagan left office, the threat of nuclear war was largely gone, taxes were lower, poverty had declined and unemployment was much lower.
In 1980, Communism was seen to be on the rise. It has steadily enslaved more and more people. Reagan stopped it and did so without significant military action. Contrast that to the Korean War (Truman - 50,000 dead Americans) or Vietnam (Kennedy/Johnson - 60,000 dead Americans) and the scope of Reagan's accomplishment becomes clear.
| Reply #51 By: ekul87 - 1/31/2005 12:31:34 PM JFK Never lied under oath. And much to the chagrin of Mr Hubbins, neither did reagan. Ony one president did, and he was impeached for it. Umm, incorrect, clinton did, but of course from what i have heard from looking around, "he was a great economist" and a moral leader, well at least that is what i've heard... |
as i pointed out elsewhere, reagan avoided perjuring himself to evade indictment for willfully violating federal law while testifying before a grand jury and the walsh iran/contra investigation by consistently claiming an inablity to recall a number of things one would expect him to be able to remember considering his determination to support the contras in their war against the legitimate government of nicaragua.
it might be easier to dismiss reagan's faulty memory in light of his history of alzheimer's disease IF he hadn't done exactly the same thing at age 51 in 1962 when required to testify before a us grand jury investigating federal anti-trust law violations as well as complicity by contravening union regulations regarding a waiver extended to mca (a major hollywood talent agency) which substantially benefited both reagan and lou wasserman (his agent) while reagan was president of the screen actors guild in 1952.
anyone who has ever testified or given a deposition will quickly recognize the transparency of reagan's claim to have no recollection of the details of something in which he clearly participated much to the detriment of the union members he was obligated to protect. an overview of reagan's 'testimony' can be found here: Link
comparing the relative harm done to the country by dealing with the rogue state of iran in order to support a clandestine military campaign contrary to official policy a in direct violation of a congressional ban against doing so with clinton having consensual sex with an adult woman is nothing short of ludicrous.
| anyone who has ever testified or given a deposition will quickly recognize the transparency of reagan's claim to have no recollection of the details of something in which he clearly participated much to the detriment of the union members he was obligated to protect. an overview of reagan's 'testimony' can be found here: Link |
| He was NEVER impeached for it was he? |
clinton wouldnt have been impeached either if hed (dishonestly) claimed he couldnt recall.
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| Reply By: mythgarrPosted: Saturday, January 29, 2005 I believe he had a radio show to communicate with people? And tearing down Berlin Wall is no small feat. About Africa starvation, it's a complex and complicated problem. He also able to be elected twice wihout much protests (not like that Greed Bush). He is also known as a COOL communicator. |
i'm almost positive (based on other comments made by this contributor) english is not his native language. i dont know about you but im guessin it would take me at least a week to offer an equivalent oomment (which seems to be supportive of your boy reagan) in any language but spanish (possibly) and then it would probably be much less coherent or intelligble.
| Reply #58 By: kingbee - 1/31/2005 6:33:21 PM He was NEVER impeached for it was he? clinton wouldnt have been impeached either if hed (dishonestly) claimed he couldnt recall. |
Me thinks some of you are discussing a topic (Iran/Contra) that you have very little knowledge of other than the very surface level content. It is quite unlikely that Reagan was particularly involved in that.
But let's keep some perspective - when Republicans scheme, it's to help provide funding for anti-communist freedom fighters. When Democrats scheme, it's to cover up getting blow jobs in the white house with a 20 year old intern.
So it is telling that the nitpicking of Reagan boils down to some of his staff putting together a scheme to get money for anti-communist fighters in Central America.
Reagan was almost certainly one of the greatest Presidents in US history. Certainly the best one in my lifetime.
| Me thinks some of you are discussing a topic (Iran/Contra) that you have very little knowledge of other than the very surface level content. It is quite unlikely that Reagan was particularly involved in that |
the walsh iran/contra report arrives at a different conclusion. chapter 27 paints a pretty sad picture of a president stubbornly insisting on engaging in activities for which the president couldnt be prosecuted--unlike those with whom he conspired--but very likely could have been impeached...if only he hadnt managed to 'not recall' his activities.
this isnt some deluded fantasy nor an uninformed 'surface level' misaprehension on my part.
both quotes below are taken directly from the walsh report:
3 In his written answers to interrogatories requested by Independent Counsel and the Grand Jury, Reagan stated that he did not monitor the details of the Iran arms sales and had no specific knowledge of such key matters as North's role or Secord's role. The President said he did not authorize any profits from the sale of arms to Iran and that he was unaware that there were excess proceeds and that some of them were diverted to aid the contras.
When the Iran initiative was exposed on November 3, 1986, the President convened a series of meetings with his top national security advisers and permitted the creation of a false account of the Iran arms sales to be disseminated to members of Congress and the American people.4 These false accounts denied the President's knowledge and authorization of the initial sales from Israeli stocks of U.S.-made TOW and HAWK missiles to Iran in August, September and November of 1985. Attorney General Edwin Meese III and others were concerned that those sales violated the Arms Export Control Act and the National Security Act of 1947.5 Previously withheld notes by participants in the November 12 and November 24, 1986, meetings constituted evidence of an effort to cover up the true facts of the President's authorization of the 1985 Iran arms sales. But the discovery of the notes by Independent Counsel came too late to investigate effectively and to prosecute the false statements involved.6 The passage of time, claims of dimmed recollections and the running of the statute of limitations protected the underlying acts.
129 Hill Note, 11/22/86, ANS 0001883.
The foregoing facts would suggest that the President, during the first three weeks in November 1986, knowingly participated or at least acquiesced in the efforts of Casey, Poindexter and North to minimize or hide his advance approval of and participation in the 1985 Israeli arms shipments to Iran without notice to Congress.
Yet, such a conclusion runs against President Reagan's seeming blindness to reality when it came to the rationalization of some of his Iran and hostage policies. The portrayal of President Reagan in the notes of Regan and Weinberger, and Shultz's read outs to Hill, not only the November 24, 1986, meeting but beginning at least on December 7, 1985, show a consistent reiteration of the President's position. The simple fact is that President Reagan seems not to have been ashamed of what he had done. He had convinced himself that he was not trading arms for hostages, that he was selling arms to develop a new opening with Iran, and that the recovery of the hostages was incidental to a broader purpose. He disdained the restrictions of the Arms Export Control Act. He made that clear as he brushed off Weinberger's concerns about illegality on December 7, 1985. At the November 24, 1986, meeting he was ``v[ery] hot under the collar & determined he is totally right.'' 130
| But let's keep some perspective - when Republicans scheme, it's to help provide funding for anti-communist freedom fighters. When Democrats scheme, it's to cover up getting blow jobs in the white house with a 20 year old intern. |
the only freedom fighters in nicaragua were those who ousted the somoza brothers from their country--unless you also qualify the sunni insurgents as freedom fighters. until reagan's election, the contras were designated as terrorists and rightly seen as attempting to overthrow the legitimately elected government of daniel ortega.
as i've already pointed out, there's no basis for a comparing blowjobs with reagan's determination to destroy nicaraguan democracy--the people chose ortega out of a field of multiple legal parties and candidates--by aligning himself with the genocidal butchers of honduras, the somozista terrrorist insurgents with funding obtained by selling the very missles that may someday take down an american commercial airliner to the rogue state of iran and conspiring to keep the american people and their congress in the dark.
| Reply #63 By: kingbee - 2/1/2005 2:15:42 AM But let's keep some perspective - when Republicans scheme, it's to help provide funding for anti-communist freedom fighters. When Democrats scheme, it's to cover up getting blow jobs in the white house with a 20 year old intern. the only freedom fighters in nicaragua were those who ousted the somoza brothers from their country--unless you also qualify the sunni insurgents as freedom fighters. until reagan's election, the contras were designated as terrorists and rightly seen as attempting to overthrow the legitimately elected government of daniel ortega. as i've already pointed out, there's no basis for a comparing blowjobs with reagan's determination to destroy nicaraguan democracy--the people chose ortega out of a field of multiple legal parties and candidates--by aligning himself with the genocidal butchers of honduras, the somozista terrrorist insurgents with funding obtained by selling the very missles that may someday take down an american commercial airliner to the rogue state of iran and conspiring to keep the american people and their congress in the dark. |
| I see no use in further conversation on this subject. |
hahahaahahaha well then allya gotta do is agree with me and ill stop
| Reply #65 By: kingbee - 2/1/2005 3:17:24 AM I see no use in further conversation on this subject. hahahaahahaha well then allya gotta do is agree with me and ill stop |
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