Someone who doesn't 'get it', Rep. Bill Thomas (R-CA)

From DrudgeReport.com, flash news area, so not really linkable (that content changes repeatedly, doesn't seem to be archived).

{House Ways and Means Committee} CHAIRMAN:

EXAMINE RACE, GENDER FOR

SOCIAL SECURITY CHANGES



updated on DrudgeReport.com site: Mon Jan 24 2005 10:20:45 ET



House Ways and Means chairman Rep. Bill Thomas (R-CA) on Sunday claimed Congress should consider looking at Social Security reforms that would payout future benefits -- on such factors as race and gender!
Depressed and determined Dems are ready to rip, top party sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.
"Bush's Republican Party is full of ill-conceived, dangerous ideas about the future of Social Security. But no idea seems more dangerous or patently unfair than linking Social Security benefits to a person's race and gender," blasted one well-placed Dem.
The Kern County congressman explained to NBCNEWS Tim Russert on Sunday:
“We also need to examine, frankly, ... the question of race, in terms of how many years of retirement do you get based upon your race. And you ought not to just leave gender off the table, because that would be a factor.”
MR. RUSSERT: Do you think Congress, Mr. Chairman, would accept any formula that said that people would be treated differently because of their gender or their race?
REP. THOMAS: If we discuss it and the will is not to do it, fine. At least we discussed it. To simply raise the age and find out that you've got gender, race and occupational problems later, I would not be doing the kind of service that I think I have to do. You and I have been around quite a while. We went through the '80s. We went into the '90s. And now we're in the 21st century. We saw the choices that were made in the past. We went to the well over and over again with the same old solutions which really aren't solutions. We've reached the point where we have to fundamentally examine it in my opinion. The president has given us that opportunity. We ought to take it.
Thomas hit controversy last summer after he instructed Capitol Police to remove Democrat committee members from a room on the Hill.
Choking back tears at times, Thomas stood on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives and acknowledged using "poor judgment" during the episode.




Talk about someone that just doesn't "get it", this guy takes the cake.

I'm disgusted by the idea that this guy is even a member of the Republican party.

Between his apparent unwillingness to really consider the types of reform that the President has been exploring, and his now stated desire to consider Race and Gender for benefits, he's just too far gone.

I wish there was a serious chance at bouncing this guy off the committee, but I seriously doubt he'll face more than a back room talking to by his compatriots in the Congress. Unfortunately, meanwhile, the Democrats will definitely use this "gaffe" as a morale builder for their own purposes.
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hrm. Well, i agree with ya, but to play devil's advocate, race and gender do effect the average life span. Women live longer than men, for example, by several years on average. Therefore they'd get more benefits than men, and so they'd on average pay in more to begin with.

Not saying it is fair, but if he is talking about the length of average retirement, then at what age people retire and how long they live thereafter is important. If everyone pays in equally, but your race/sex lives 5-8 years less on average, then you aren't using as much as people who paid the same as you.

Again, it is cheesy, and unfair, since any of us could be run over by a bus at any moment. I can see the perspective, though.

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Not saying it is fair, but if he is talking about the length of average retirement, then at what age people retire and how long they live thereafter is important. If everyone pays in equally, but your race/sex lives 5-8 years less on average, then you aren't using as much as people who paid the same as you. Again, it is cheesy, and unfair, since any of us could be run over by a bus at any moment. I can see the perspective, though.


I can perhaps see the perspective, as it is somewhat akin to the way car insurance is handled. The actuarial tables show that teen drivers, especially young males, have more accidents than any other category, and therefore they pay more into the insurance companies for their policies.

But... Social Security was created as an insurance policy for everyone. It was supposed to be fair to all, and treat everyone equally. Everyone pays the same rates in, and everyone gets the same basic rates back out.

To go back to a system where we have different rates paid in or different rates paid out based on life expectancy seems wrong, and worse yet, would seem to be a logistical nightmare for anyone who would be part of the system. We'd have everyone and their mothers trying to show some genetic history that points back to being in a disadvantaged class that should get more benefits, even though that individual might not have paid in as much because they didn't know in advance that they were part of that group. Oh boy, what a field day for Social Security lawyers.

It's just a dumb idea, and one that can't even really be discussed without sounding like a racist or bigot.
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Yep, the insurance thing was what i was getting at.  Teen drivers statistically cause more liability, so in fairness they should pay the higher premiums.


"Everyone pays the same rates in, and everyone gets the same basic rates back out.


Social Security is based on your earnings, though, isn't it?  I didn't think it was a flat rate, flat payout for everyone.  If I am not mistaken how much you make determines how much you pay in and how much you are eligible to get back.


I dunno, the more I think about it the more neutral I am to the idea.  I don't there there'd be any discussion about genetics, since the decision would be based on the hard data from census records.  They calculate the average life span every census.


"Fair" is kind of a tough call, since everyone isn't paying the same in and getting the same out.  That's kind of the point.  Even if everyone's pay-in and pay-out per month is the same, people who live longer get a lot more, while people who don't paid as much in.  It's a hard thing to get a fix on ethically.