Apparently I'm a Left Winger

I have strong political beliefs about a lot of things as you probably know. I have an opinion about refugees, drugs, diplomacy, environmental policy, immigration, abortion, social security etc. And the curious thing is that 99% of my beliefs probably fall under the category of Left wing politics. Why?

It seems strange to me that anyone else combines all the beliefs I do. I see a lot of my opinions as being separate from each other. For instance, I believe in increasing immigration because I like a diverse range of people and I like a diverse range of cultures. Although I also happen to think it will help Australia economically, that is not my reason for liking immigration. So I don't understand the connection between my liking of immigration and say my dislike of major corporate companies and their greed-based values. After all, a lot of the immigrants coming out here are Right wingers themselves. I've noted on several occasions that the irony of being Left is that half the time you're sticking up for the rights of Right wingers.

Equally I don't think we should destroy the environment. I think we need to preserve the planet for all of the Earth's creatures that will live in the future. So why would that have anything to do with my belief that we should decriminalise marijuana? In fact why should that belief have anything to do with the fact that I believe that we should help people with drug addictions by providing "safe" heroin injection rooms and other similar ideas? After all, my opinion on marijuana is shaped by an opinion that people should have the right to take the three soft drugs; alcohol, marijuana and nicotine. My opinion on heroin injecting rooms is based on trying to help people with an addiction.

I think we need unions to create better conditions for workers. But why should this have anything to do with the fact that I think we should have more "liberal" sex laws in order to lower the rates of rape and child molestation? I suppose you can link those together a bit more easily, but it isn't immediately obvious.

I can see the connection between some of my beliefs. Many of them are drawn together by what is often referred to as "compassion" I suppose. I don't believe in locking up refugees because it is not nice. I don't like war because it is aggressive. I like immigrants because I like people. I think we should have the choice to have abortions because I think the alternatives will cause social problems. And I believe in gay rights and women's rights because I believe in equal rights for all people. It's a general belief in humanity and a liking for people that draws this all together. But the rest? They've got nothing to do with each other.

Yet I am certainly not alone in drawing these beliefs together. The Greens draw together a lot of my opinions in one party. The opinions I had four years ago were drawn together perfectly by the Democrats. However, when it comes to choosing between the two major parties, I don't necessarily think that Labor's half-arsed Leftist approach (really it's more of a Centrist-Right approach) is necessarily a better option than Liberal's Right-Right-Right option.

It certainly is something pertaining specifically to our times to link these things together. I have often commented that labels like Left/Right are silly. I mean even today, although I hate Pauline Hanson's cultural supremacist views, I agree with her view that we should not sell off Telstra. I agree with Labor Right's opinion that public Health is better for the country because it pays off dividends in the long run. But I disagree with their policy of destroying cross media ownership laws. I agree with Family First that we need strong child protection laws, but I strongly disagree with their anti-abortionist stance. Looking back historically, Plato and I both believe in gay rights, but I don't agree with his chauvinism. I agree with Edmund Barton's protectionist stance, but I certainly disagree with the White Australia Policy. And I agree with traditional Aboriginal attitudes to the environment but I certainly disagree with their tribal wars.

The only thing I can conclude is that the current paradigm of Leftist thought, as many would label it, is a reaction to the specific problems of our day and designed as a response to meet the specific needs of our current society.

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Rather than left or right, I believe you're saying serious thinking should be the medium of politics.
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shhhhhhhhhh dont tell anyone dammit
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wouldnt want anyone gettin confused after all.   here's somethin you might find interesting  even tho it's pretty much applicable to the us Link
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I've noted on several occasions that the irony of being Left is that half the time you're sticking up for the rights of Right wingers.


Great statement, and oh so true, but lost on them entirely.

Champas, good article. There have been a number of articles attempting to describe the differences between left and right. This is one of the best. Thank you.
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Best political article I've read at JoeUser in months. The bar has been raised and I hope others will emulate the thoughtful and intelligent form of this essay.
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I've been called a Conservative Right-Winger, and a Liberal Left-Winger, depending on who was doing the name-calling, and which one of my beliefs to which they were referring. I have yet to see a good description of either one; merely false stereotypes, or descriptions that only cover the extremes of either wing. Maybe the problem is in the propensity for people to label things without due examination, and there should be a lable system that works on a gradient basis of description, rather than pegging a person on one extreme or the other.
Just MHO, of course.
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Bob, I agree with you 100%. I posted a political compass survey a few months ago that could possibly more accurately define your political stance. The site is located here Link I'm sure this isn't exactly what you're looking for, but it's fun anyway.

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By the way, I'm an economic lefty -7.75 and a social libertarian -6.75
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I remember seeing this several years ago; I have also seen an even better version that was done in three dimensions, which fine-tuned it further; I forget which publication it was in, however.
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Great article CS. Dabe, I took that quiz too and thank you for posting it. The cool thing about it was that it added the north-south vector, namely authoritarian/libertarian. I think too much is made of the east-west 'left/right' vector.

The best book I've read in the past year is 'Fire And Ice' by Michael Adams, an indepth social comparison of American and Canadian values. I plunked down the $24.95 for the book in large part to understand Americans better and would suggest others do the same. Anyhoo, one of the many revelations in the book is that Canadians are on the whole substantially more libertarian than Americans. Hard to believe? Not really, when the 'Patriot' act passes 99-0 in the US Senate.

The book tracks trends in social values over a number of years; at a time when NAFTA 2.0 and 'security' hysteria are pulling Americans and Canadians together, we have never been more different and are trending toward being *very* different, with much of the difference occurring in the North-South vector. I wonder how this is gonna play out long term. Apologies for going a tad off topic, CS, I just wanted to point out that the North-South vector is important too.

David St. Hubbins
Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00
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Excellent article, Champas. I also find that 99% of my opinions fall on the left or at least center-left except for affirmative action.

Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.54

I was surprised to see that so many people were in the top right, especially Paul Martin. I figured he would be a bit more bottom left, but I suppose everything is relative to where you put the center.
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I fall south of centre and left of centre. Pretty much where I thought. Not quite as far as you latour, but close.

Econonic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31

I was surprised with some of the questions and with my answers, but I had to be honest. Some answers were a little bit right.

"l am but mad north-northwest: when the wind is southerly I know a hawk from a handsaw."

whoowhoowhaawhaahaa!!!!
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While I loath breaking up this lovefest of lefties I also took this test and will now post what I test to be.

Econ.left/right -4.00
social lib./ auth. -2.05

while you are all bizy slapping each other on the backs espousing what great champions of the people you all are...and how low and evil we are.. TRY...if you can wrap your brains around this..

just try to remember {as I do} its takes 2 wings for the eagle to fly... a left wing and a right one.
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just try to remember {as I do} its takes 2 wings for the eagle to fly... a left wing and a right one.


Not sure where this fits into your bird metaphor but,...

....flight also has a need for lift (to overcome weight) and thrust (to overcome drag).
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....flight also has a need for lift (to overcome weight) and thrust (to overcome drag).


Now, that's an excellent metaphor! Just perfect!
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Reply By: UBoBPosted: Monday, January 17, 2005just try to remember {as I do} its takes 2 wings for the eagle to fly... a left wing and a right one.Not sure where this fits into your bird metaphor but,.......flight also has a need for lift (to overcome weight) and thrust (to overcome drag).


the lift should come from the left this time because all they do is drag the process to a halt.
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Reply By: UBoBPosted: Monday, January 17, 2005


Not sure where this fits into your bird metaphor but,...


ummm a left wing represents the dems. and a right wing the reps. both need to work together, for maximum effect.
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This is off topic but it is very important.

Kleenex is made out of ancient forests!

Can you believe it? Kimberly-Clark, the manufacturer of Kleenex brand tissue products, is destroying forests in Canada that have been around since the last Ice Age, 10,000 years ago, to make something that is used once and then flushed down the toilet or thrown away. It's insane.

Greenpeace has just launched a new campaign to pressure Kimberly-Clark to stop wiping away ancient forests. The website, which is full of info, is at www.kleercut.net

At this site there's also a pretty good action center where you can send a free fax to Kimberly-Clark telling them that they should stop destroying ancient forests to create toilet paper and facial tissue. The action center is at www.kleercut.net

That's the last time I blow my nose with Kleenex.
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Reply By: Earl(Anonymous User)Posted: Monday, January 17, 2005This is off topic but it is very important.Kleenex is made out of ancient forests!Can you believe it? Kimberly-Clark, the manufacturer of Kleenex brand tissue products, is destroying forests in Canada that have been around since the last Ice Age, 10,000 years ago, to make something that is used once and then flushed down the toilet or thrown away. It's insane. Greenpeace has just launched a new campaign to pressure Kimberly-Clark to stop wiping away ancient forests. The website, which is full of info, is at www.kleercut.netAt this site there's also a pretty good action center where you can send a free fax to Kimberly-Clark telling them that they should stop destroying ancient forests to create toilet paper and facial tissue. The action center is at www.kleercut.netThat's the last time I blow my nose with Kleenex.


I agree something should be done to protect our old growth forset from this rapeing of the land.
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Well, I think we should recycle Kleenexes.

Jus' kiddin', of course. Actually, perish the thought. But, you're right about two things, Earl. First, one reason I don't buy newspapers anymore, and read exclusively online, is because of the amount of paper, ie forests, ie Canadian forests that are required to make newspapers.

Secondly, yup, you're waaayyy off topic here. But, you are hawking a good cause. Keep it up.
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YOu are a thinking individual, and our only disagreement is in degrees, not ideals.  Does that make me a leftist?  Or you a rightist?  No, it means we are people with few choices, and we have to compromise in our voting.  But not our beliefs.

I dont disagree with ideals. Only with the implementation of the solutions.

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Oh, And Champas.  Nice start to the 12 step program!
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I agree something should be done to protect our old growth forset from this rapeing of the land.


A right winger supporting enviornmentalists?!?! wow. Maybe I was wrong about you.
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Thankyou all for such nice feedback particularly dabe and dirty sanchez. I feel a bit under pressure to keep on delivering now.

"Rather than left or right, I believe you're saying serious thinking should be the medium of politics."

Very much so steven. As Dr Guy alludes to there is far less difference between "Right" and "Left" than is usually represented. That isn't to say I don't strongly disagree with a lot of things done by people supposedly on the Right of course, but often the disagreement comes in how to come to an idealistic position, rather than a disagreement on what is ideal.

Earl, you are off topic, but it is an important issue and thus important to talk about it.

I think you do need both wings to fly, hard as it may be to admit at times. I think both wings occasionally cause drag and both occasionally cause lift.

Anyway, I'm off to go try that test.
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hmmm kingbee. I think the write up about the problems of Right Left distinctions that you link to are very insightful, although the test is perhaps still not quite satisfactory. I don't personally believe in the labelling system at all. I think you need to take each issue on its own merit, which I think is what I was alluding to in my article. But my result was that I'm a Libertarian Leftie.

Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31