{Michael} Moore Gets No Love From Old High School

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Moore Gets No Love From Old High School


Jan 15, 9:31 AM (ET)

DAVISON, Mich. (AP) - Oscar on the shelf or not, Michael Moore is not getting much respect at his old high school. Despite his fame and many honors, the filmmaker has been rejected all four times that he has been nominated for Davison High School's Hall of Fame.
"Would you want him as a role model? Would you want your son or daughter to be like him?" asked Don Hammond, a member of the Hall of Fame selection committee. "I haven't talked to anybody yet who's for him. The word to describe Michael Moore is embarrassing. He embarrasses everybody."
Ryan Eashoo disagrees. The 1997 Davison High graduate has spent 80 hours the last two weeks and $600 of his own money trying to get Moore elected.
"We've been blacklisted," Eashoo, 25, told the Detroit Free Press. "I'm a huge Michael Moore fan. He's a great producer, great filmmaker, always sticking up for minorities. He's kind of an underdog."
So far, Eashoo has 300 signed nominations of Moore. His goal is 2,000 by Feb. 1. The committee meets Feb. 11 to choose its inductees.
Moore's film "Fahrenheit 9/11" attacked President Bush's rationale for the war in Iraq and accused him and his administration of fostering fear for political gain. Moore spent the weeks before the election traveling across the country to urge Americans to vote Bush out of office.
His "Bowling for Columbine" won the Oscar for best documentary in 2003.



Nice to see that Mr. Moore's old home town still remembers him (not so) fondly.

Personally, the only hall of fame I think he (Michael Moore) belongs in is Overeaters not so anonymous. If not that, perhaps the Egomaniacs hall of fame. Otherwise, any honors he receives are a complete dishonor to any other nominees or honorees.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
Nice to see that Mr. Moore's old home town still remembers him (not so) fondly.

Personally, the only hall of fame I think he (Michael Moore) belongs in is Overeaters not so anonymous. If not that, perhaps the Egomaniacs hall of fame. Otherwise, any honors he receives are a complete dishonor to any other nominees or honorees.


Why? Because he has a different opinion to you. Somewhere along the line it became cool for people to bag out Michael Moore, even for lefties. He sticks his neck out and doen't mince his words. When people here that they get uncomfortable because they are too chicken sh*t to do it themselves.
What really sickens me is that lefties distanced themselves from Moore even they they agreed with him just because he is so foward.
I read a lot of detailed lists with supposed inaccuaracies in 9/11. At first I though "Hey it sound like he could be full of shit." but when I saw the movie these supposed inaccuracies had be completely misrepresented.
For example there was a lot of talk about the scene where Bush is saying "A lot of people call you guys the elite, I call you my base.". Moore detractors tried to imply that he is showing that clip as if Bush hadn't said it as a joke. However when you see it in the context of the movie it is actually not being used to say that at all but at the that point of the movie he is talking about how nobody in congress has children in the iraq war.
Every single other supposed Moore lie in the movie is merely a personal opinion but no worse that the opinion that Iraq was capable of launching or even merely building WMD's.
There reason the don't want him in the hall of fame is they're are scared. Whatever you may think of him he has been been a big influence in terms of getting people to think about what is really going on in the "war on terror.". Hitler became man of the year for time magazine, not because he was a good man but because he made an impact on the world. I think Moore while people may not agree on whether he is good or bad would certainly agree he has made some people think. You may see he him as telling people what to think but if you following work closely -read his books etc. you will see his main message is that people should get involved with the process and to seek out information for themselves.
You on the otherhand seem to think the best aproach is to stick your head in the sand every time someone says something that doesn't fit in with their view. Burn the heretic! Burn the books! Obliterate their thought from existence!
By the way top stuff making a comment about how fat he is - it betrays your level of intelligence.
Reply #2 from PolMach Forums Top
Why? Because he has a different opinion to you.


No, because he is using up valuable air that I could be breathing, eating food I could be eating, or otherwise wasting space on the face of the earth.

He is a hateful individual who goes to great lengths to distort facts to fit the messages he has.

I will not line his pockets, and wish sincerely that others would not either. His movies are works of fiction, so losely based on fact that they should be considered more fictional than Sherlock Holmes or James Bond stories.

You on the otherhand seem to think the best aproach is to stick your head in the sand every time someone says something that doesn't fit in with their view.


And this says what about your level of intelligence?
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
He is a hateful individual who goes to great lengths to distort facts to fit the messages he has.


How about you actually back that up with something? He doesn't like Bush's political views. How does that make him hateful? You sound like the hateful one. Just because you don't agree with doesn't mean I think you don't deserve to live. In fact you you give me (and other disagree with me) something to live for because if everyone agree with me the world would be a very boring place.

Moore believes like I do that the USA went to war for the wrong reasons. This is not a orignal thought. What set him apart is that he thinks there may be political and financial incentives also for them not to go after some real terrorist threats in countries such as Saudi Arabia. Now he posibble goes a little further with this line of though then I would but what he says in his books in HIS OPINION based on facts. You opinion may not be correct but that doesn't make him a liar. If he del;iberated made up facts to back his opinion that would be a different story. As far I can see that is not the case.

will not line his pockets, and wish sincerely that others would not either. His movies are works of fiction, so losely based on fact that they should be considered more fictional than Sherlock Holmes or James Bond stories.


If you haven't seen any of his movies or read his books how can you say he is a liar. The above quote seem to preclude you from having an informed opinion on the matter. Did you somehow assilmilate information about Moore via the collective unconscious? Or are you basing your opinion of Moore of sound bites you've heard on the news?


You on the otherhand seem to think the best aproach is to stick your head in the sand every time someone says something that doesn't fit in with their view.


And this says what about your level of intelligence?


Nothing, it just says something about my opinion of people who make negative comments about people without even presenting an arguement to back it up. You may well be right about Moore but what have you actually said to back it up? Nothing. Moore is bad because I think he's wrong/a liar/a waste of space (mostly because I don't like fat people) is about the extent of your arguement.
Did Moore steal your icecream cone as a child or something?!
Reply #4 from PolMach Forums Top
Did Moore steal your icecream cone as a child or something?!


How much research have you done into Mr. Moore?

If you've done any -- besides handing him money for his movies (which I've seen {no} thanks to friends that wanted me to be "informed"), or for his books (same deal) -- then you may find he's not worth the hero worship you seem to be ascribing to him.

I'll leave it to you to do what you have accused me of not doing - research the other side and dispute the facts.
Reply #5 from PolMach Forums Top
No, because he is using up valuable air that I could be breathing, eating food I could be eating, or otherwise wasting space on the face of the earth.

He is a hateful individual who goes to great lengths to distort facts to fit the messages he has.

I will not line his pockets, and wish sincerely that others would not either. His movies are works of fiction, so losely based on fact that they should be considered more fictional than Sherlock Holmes or James Bond stories.


Make you a deal, terpfan. The moment you close down every hateful conservative pundit, I'll get to work on Moore and others from the left side of the arena. That's right, when you're done with Coulter, Rush and Hannity, we'll ditch Moore gladly. Until that happens, you might as well stop wasting valuble internet space, because I could of published the same thing about a 'hateful' right wing pundit it it'd be true also.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well I looked up all the things that people claimed were lies in 9/11 (such as the thing I mentioned in the first post) and saw the film and then look up the facts myself from other sources. Do I swallowing everything Moore says. No, but I wouldn't go a far as to say he is an outright liar just because he takes a line of thought I wouldn't go down.

I may be defending him but it doesn't mean he's a hero of mine, he isn't, I just happen to agree with some of things he says. What I do like about him is not so the more extreme theories about Bushco. but for pointing out simple, obvious facts. Doing something as simple as actually showing the children that got hurt in the attacks on Iraq. You may think that sort of thing is blatant emotional manipulation but it is something that makes you think: what if that was my kid? Would I be so happy with the excuse of "we are trying to find WMD's" or "we are trying to liberate you" if the government of a foreign country kills your children (or for that matter your entire family). It is very easy to have a guy like Bush talking about good guys and bad guys and ignoring the moral grey areas.

Besides my point was if YOU have researched Mr. Moore and believe him to be a liar you illustrate with examples instead of playing "I know you are but what I am?" everytime I critisise you. Give me an example of a flat out lie that Moore has told that wasn't a joke (yes often he's being hyperbolous for comic effect, something righties don't seem to get) or personal opinion. I'm not completely confident he hasn't told one either (I haven't read and seen everything he' s every done as you seem to imply) I just think he brings up some good points.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'm not surprised his old school body wouldn't want to honour him. After all, he did get himself elected to the school board so the headmaster couldn't lay a finger on him. That gets my grudging admiration for sheer cunning, although I doubt the school would agree.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
'His movies are works of fiction, so losely based on fact that they should be considered more fictional than Sherlock Holmes or James Bond stories.'
In which case, terpfan, I can only imagine that Moore has been left penniless and destitute by an avalanche of successful lawsuits ... He hasn't? What gives? And this In America, the most litigious country in the world? How curious.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
He hasn't? What gives? And this In America, the most litigious country in the world? How curious.


Trials are such sordid things. Too much private information can be made to be revealed under oath, much more damaging information then the tip of the iceberg that Moore has exposed. It's much more prudent to just deny it, paint the messenger as a crazy person, and let it eventually fade away.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #3 By: Toblerone - 1/16/2005 2:25:10 AM
He is a hateful individual who goes to great lengths to distort facts to fit the messages he has.


How about you actually back that up with something


How about 59 *proven* outright LIES in F911? How about the biggest? Can you truthfully prove GW Bush had ties to Osama bin Laden?
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
How about 59 *proven* outright LIES in F911? How about the biggest? Can you truthfully prove GW Bush had ties to Osama bin Laden?


The movie did a pretty good job. Now, how about the
*proven*
lie that George Bush included in his state of the union that Saddam Hussein had WMDs.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #11 By: sandy2 - 1/16/2005 9:09:45 PM
How about 59 *proven* outright LIES in F911? How about the biggest? Can you truthfully prove GW Bush had ties to Osama bin Laden?


The movie did a pretty good job. Now, how about the *proven*
lie that George Bush included in his state of the union that Saddam Hussein had WMDs.


WRONG answer! We've had this discussion before! All he did was parrot what was told him. Now that's not to bright, but them's the facts. And BTW we *were* TALKING about Moore NOT Bush.
Reply #13 from PolMach Forums Top
WRONG answer! We've had this discussion before! All he did was parrot what was told him. Now that's not to bright, but them's the facts. And BTW we *were* TALKING about Moore NOT Bush.


The information has come out that the parroting was done by the intelligence community who brought the desired result to the administration despite the facts. They included only that information that backed their WMD theory and discarded what didn't fit. If it wasn't a lie, it was a forgone conclusion that evaded the truth.

Has Michael Moore really done anything of note lately? Yet we hear about him ad nauseum. The right is fixated with this guy. I haven't even seen a single one of his movies. If the right hadn't made such a big deal out of him, no one would have hear about Farenheit 9/11 either. The more you guys push him up, the bigger figure he becomes. There are three threads devoted to him, including this one within the last few days. Countless other threads mention him everytime the word kook comes about. Get over it. We got over that kook Charlton Heston.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
WRONG answer! We've had this discussion before! All he did was parrot what was told him. Now that's not to bright, but them's the facts. And BTW we *were* TALKING about Moore NOT Bush.


The information has come out that the parroting was done by the intelligence community who brought the desired result to the administration despite the facts. They included only that information that backed their WMD theory and discarded what didn't fit. If it wasn't a lie, it was a forgone conclusion that evaded the truth.


Very true. I see Doc's next arguement coming... but he believed the lies he was being told, so he didn't intend to lie to us..

Well, therefore, I conclude that Moore, like many of us, believes that Bush is bad and therefore wasn't lying whenever he told you misleading things or things that have since been found to be inacurate. He was just parroting.
Reply #15 from PolMach Forums Top
DAVISON, Mich. (AP) - Oscar on the shelf or not, Michael Moore is not getting much respect at his old high school. Despite his fame and many honors, the filmmaker has been rejected all four times that he has been nominated for Davison High School's Hall of Fame.
"Would you want him as a role model? Would you want your son or daughter to be like him?" asked Don Hammond, a member of the Hall of Fame selection committee.

And the reason is clearly stated in the first paragraph - not liked because of political opinion. If nobody was allowed to get off their lazy but and actually write about current political events, we'd all be living in a country where nobody cares about anything else.

Michael Moore won an Oscar. Even if you don't agree with what he says, it's a hell of a lot better than someone who hates others just for providing their political opinion. If he's instead hated for distorting truths, then that's exactly what's going on in most school boards anyway.

"I haven't talked to anybody yet who's for him. The word to describe Michael Moore is embarrassing. He embarrasses everybody."
Obviously, this is an indication about lack of connections. Even John Turmel managed to get 1 in 200 people supporing him in the latest municipal election. It's not *that* hard to find someone who supports Michael Moore, especially when his views are liked by a larger percentage of the US population..

if there's a valid reason on why he shouldn't be a board member (e.g. conflict of intrest or anotehr candidate is more qualified), then fine. Otherwise, high-school shall not be the place to force a politicial opinion on developing minds.




Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #3 By: Toblerone - 1/16/2005 2:25:10 AM
He is a hateful individual who goes to great lengths to distort facts to fit the messages he has.


How about you actually back that up with something


How about 59 *proven* outright LIES in F911? How about the biggest? Can you truthfully prove GW Bush had ties to Osama bin Laden?


The idea behind this comment was to get terpfan1980 to back up his claims....himself.

Incidently the 59 lies (Link) list was one of the things I read before going into 911.





Reply #17 from PolMach Forums Top
The idea behind this comment was to get terpfan1980 to back up his claims....himself.

Incidently the 59 lies (Link) list was one of the things I read before going into 911.


And yet you continue to support someone that would take such liberties in creation of a "documentary"?

If he (and his supporters) would call it what is - a "mock-u-mentary" I might actually have more respect for him.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #16 By: Toblerone - 1/20/2005 10:09:32 AM
Reply #3 By: Toblerone - 1/16/2005 2:25:10 AM
Incidently the 59 lies (Link) list was one of the things I read before going into 911.



Usually a "documentary" is a statement of fact! Not half truth, nor outright lies or twisted to meet ones own conclusions. So in conclusion if you believe Moore's fairy tale BS then could I interest you in a red cloak and a basket of goodies?
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
*applauds the school*
Reply #20 from PolMach Forums Top
Reply #16 By: Toblerone - 1/20/2005 10:09:32 AM Reply #3 By: Toblerone - 1/16/2005 2:25:10 AM He is a hateful individual who goes to great lengths to distort facts to fit the messages he has. How about you actually back that up with something How about 59 *proven* outright LIES in F911? How about the biggest? Can you truthfully prove GW Bush had ties to Osama bin Laden? The idea behind this comment was to get terpfan1980 to back up his claims....himself. Incidently the 59 lies (Link) list was one of the things I read before going into 911.


Why argue with a statement that you know to be true? It seems liberals are just different in some ways.