What is Torture?

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torture[1,noun]torture[2,transitive verb]

Main Entry: 1tor·ture
Pronunciation: 'tor-ch&r
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from Late Latin tortura, from Latin tortus, past participle of torquEre to twist; probably akin to Old High German drAhsil turner, Greek atraktos spindle
1 a : anguish of body or mind : AGONY b : something that causes agony or pain
2 : the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
3 : distortion or overrefinement of a meaning or an argument : STRAINING

now please do not make me define anguish and agony cause I will........

again I say for the dense..

Making a room 95 degrees is not TORTURE.... its damn uncomfortable.

Playing loud music (90 decibels} is not Torture is just mind numbing

Making a room cold 40 degrees is not TORTURE... it is very uncomfortable.

Making someone stand in place is NOT TORTURE.

Putting a blindfold on someones head is not torture... its scarey period.

I am tired of the left twisting my words so the outcome is as they choose../

for the fainthearted I will now list some torture beware your bleeding heart might rupture.

Slamming slivers of bamboo on fire under your toenails is torture

Pulling your tongue out and cutting it off is torture.... saddam did this on a constant basis.

Cutting someone hands off in stages from the fingers upwards is torture... saddam also did this.

Gassing someone with chemical agents is torture saddam did this also

Cutting off someones ears is torture saddam also did this.


Can any of you bleeders name one instance in THIS WAR where we did anything approaching what I said is torture??

This is why I changed parties.... this is why bleeders make me nuts... they want to compare the horror of abu graves to torture.. its not torture is misguided and criminal for sure... but it does not reach what torture is..

If you look at entry 3 you {the bleeders} will see what YOU DO IS TORTUREOUS ...
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top

Can any of you bleeders name one instance in THIS WAR where we did anything approaching what I said is torture??

apparently one bleeding heart fbi agent can and did.  you may have seen or heard about the fbi allegations of torture at guantanamo bay. 

"On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water," the FBI agent wrote on Aug. 2, 2004. "Most times they had urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18 to 24 hours or more."

while my personal opinion is that information obtained by force or fear is going to be less than reliable, you may not agree.  on the other hand, id put even less faith in obtaining even questionable information through torment (hot rooms, cold rooms, standing in the corner, writing 'i will not conduct jihad' 1000 times, etc).  neither one seems like a good choice as some other unnamed bleeding heart lunatic leftist fbi agent was reported (by the washington post) to have concluded.

In another e-mail, dated Dec. 5, 2003, an agent complained about military tactics, including the alleged use of FBI impersonators. "These tactics have produced no intelligence of a threat neutralization nature to date and . . . have destroyed any chance of prosecuting this detainee," the agent wrote. "If this detainee is ever released or his story made public in any way, DOD interrogators will be not be held accountable because these torture techniques were done [by] the 'FBI' interrogators."

Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Question: Is watching a dead horse being beaten considered torture or torment? (No, not from the dead horse's perspective.)
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: kingbeePosted: Sunday, January 09, 2005Can any of you bleeders name one instance in THIS WAR where we did anything approaching what I said is torture??apparently one bleeding heart fbi agent can and did. you may have seen or heard about the fbi allegations of torture at guantanamo bay. "On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water," the FBI agent wrote on Aug. 2, 2004. "Most times they had urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18 to 24 hours or more." while my personal opinion is that information obtained by force or fear is going to be less than reliable, you may not agree. on the other hand, id put even less faith in obtaining even questionable information through torment (hot rooms, cold rooms, standing in the corner, writing 'i will not conduct jihad' 1000 times, etc). neither one seems like a good choice as some other unnamed bleeding heart lunatic leftist fbi agent was reported (by the washington post) to have concluded.In another e-mail, dated Dec. 5, 2003, an agent complained about military tactics, including the alleged use of FBI impersonators. "These tactics have produced no intelligence of a threat neutralization nature to date and . . . have destroyed any chance of prosecuting this detainee," the agent wrote. "If this detainee is ever released or his story made public in any way, DOD interrogators will be not be held accountable because these torture techniques were done [by] the 'FBI' interrogators."


has any of these allagations been PROOVED yet?
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: UBoBPosted: Sunday, January 09, 2005Question: Is watching a dead horse being beaten considered torture or torment? (No, not from the dead horse's perspective.)


and if the dead horse is cut up and made into food for the needy is that torture to from any perspective?
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top

has any of these allagations been PROOVED yet?


you dont trust the fbi?  (i believe there were similar incidents at abu gharib for which people are now serving time, based on their own testimony). 


 

Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top

Is watching a dead horse being beaten considered torture or torment?


i used to be into sadistic beastial necrophilia but then i realized it was really just beating a dead horse.

Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #5 By: kingbee - 1/9/2005 2:19:45 PM
has any of these allagations been PROOVED yet?



you dont trust the fbi?


No! They have benn known and proven to lie out their own butt so they can cover it. Their butt that is.
Reply #8 from PolMach Forums Top
I do not trust any gov arm kingbee... they have all lied in one form, or another since I was born in 1947 and probably before that


but yet you'll believe anything this administration tells you
Reply #9 from PolMach Forums Top
We're in trouble, the righties have gotten the dictionary out again. I don't want my government using torture or extortion to gain information. We are the United States of America and we hold our nation to a higher standard. I don't know what's so hard to understand there.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top


Reply By: kingbeePosted: Sunday, January 09, 2005has any of these allagations been PROOVED yet?you dont trust the fbi? (i believe there were similar incidents at abu gharib for which people are now serving time, based on their own testimony).


I do not trust any gov arm kingbee... they have all lied in one form, or another since I was born in 1947 and probably before that
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: kingbeePosted: Sunday, January 09, 2005Is watching a dead horse being beaten considered torture or torment? i used to be into sadistic beastial necrophilia but then i realized it was really just beating a dead horse.


ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww tmi lmao
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
Most times they had urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18 to 24 hours or more."


I used to do this voluntarily for days not hours {ghilliesuits} waiting for that one perfect shot,,,,,,, I do not feel bad for poor terrorist at all.btw what did terror monger do to receive such ALLEGED treatment.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #12 By: whoman69 - 1/9/2005 5:09:59 PM
We're in trouble, the righties have gotten the dictionary out again. I don't want my government using torture or extortion to gain information. We are the United States of America and we hold our nation to a higher standard. I don't know what's so hard to understand there.


What you do not seem to understand is that you and I can talk all we want about how we would like things to be. But they (the government) is pretty much going to do it the way *they* want.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top

see if id started this by tellin yall the fbi had lied at my trial, i woulda heard bout how that wasnt possible

Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: whoman69Posted: Sunday, January 09, 2005I do not trust any gov arm kingbee... they have all lied in one form, or another since I was born in 1947 and probably before thatbut yet you'll believe anything this administration tells you


not even close whoman69 please just read what I say not what you want me to say ok?
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: whoman69Posted: Sunday, January 09, 2005We're in trouble, the righties have gotten the dictionary out again. I don't want my government using torture or extortion to gain information. We are the United States of America and we hold our nation to a higher standard. I don't know what's so hard to understand there.


AGHAIN i SAY what I approve of and NONE NONE NONE OF IT qualifies as torture
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: drmilerPosted: Sunday, January 09, 2005Reply #12 By: whoman69 - 1/9/2005 5:09:59 PMWe're in trouble, the righties have gotten the dictionary out again. I don't want my government using torture or extortion to gain information. We are the United States of America and we hold our nation to a higher standard. I don't know what's so hard to understand there.What you do not seem to understand is that you and I can talk all we want about how we would like things to be. But they (the government) is pretty much going to do it the way *they* want.


and that as one of the "people" pisses me off
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: kingbeePosted: Sunday, January 09, 2005see if id started this by tellin yall the fbi had lied at my trial, i woulda heard bout how that wasnt possible


nope I KNOW HOW THE LAW LIES at times..............been there done that.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
I think the problem here is that there is an assumption that everyone subjected to the torture-lite (which is apparently the new word for this brand of discomfort) is guilty, and therefore deserves it. And yet if you look at the figures of people released from camps known to use these techniques, the number of people kept for further investigation is really quite low. For example at Abu Ghraib (the only jail with much in the way of details about prisoner release published; I make no judgements that other camps go beyond torture-lite) the vast majority of those incarcerated were released without charge.

If you were found at the scene of a murder or bank robbery, would you consider it just for the policeman to chain you to the floor of the police station and force you to lie in the foetal position for two days in order to gain information from you? Would it be just to expose you to extremes of hot or cold or use techniques designed to remove a prisoner's knowledge of time and space?

If you answer yes, then perhaps you have a reason to support torture-lite. But otherwise you're simply inflicting on innocent people the very same punishment you would refuse to have inflicted on you. Can anyone spell hypocrisy?
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #17 By: Moderateman - 1/9/2005 6:57:30 PM
Reply By: drmilerPosted: Sunday, January 09, 2005Reply #12 By: whoman69 - 1/9/2005 5:09:59 PMWe're in trouble, the righties have gotten the dictionary out again. I don't want my government using torture or extortion to gain information. We are the United States of America and we hold our nation to a higher standard. I don't know what's so hard to understand there.What you do not seem to understand is that you and I can talk all we want about how we would like things to be. But they (the government) is pretty much going to do it the way *they* want.


and that as one of the "people" pisses me off


Your right, this ain't cool! But however it is the way it goes.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
If you answer yes, then perhaps you have a reason to support torture-lite.


God bless ya cacto.... ya "found " a way to turn it from not torture to torture lite.... you da man!!!Whats next.. torture no carb?..again I say name one thing I POSTED that is TORTURE period... not torment.. not torturelite not twisted wordspeak k?

btw glad to see ya smackin me around some again missed yer kind ways lol
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: cactoblastaPosted: Sunday, January 09, 2005


If you were found at the scene of a murder or bank robbery, would you consider it just for the policeman to chain you to the floor of the police station and force you to lie in the foetal position for two days in order to gain information from you? Would it be just to expose you to extremes of hot or cold or use techniques designed to remove a prisoner's knowledge of time and space?


did this murder include children, women...?? me wearing there bowels and intestines as trophys? maybe TAPing it and putting my crime on television? if so then my answere is YES
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
Your right, this ain't cool! But however it is the way it goes.


AND THIS IS WHERE MY DISTRUST OF GOV COMES IN... CONTRARY TO popular BELIEF I Have a brain and know how to use it..
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
Can anyone spell hypocrisy?


ummmmm hiprokracy? am I close? do I get a second chance?
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
God bless ya cacto.... ya "found " a way to turn it from not torture to torture lite.... you da man!!!Whats next.. torture no carb?..again I say name one thing I POSTED that is TORTURE period... not torment.. not torturelite not twisted wordspeak k?


I only use the term because the US government has used it and it has entered the public domain as a description for this kind of treatment. It's just a shortform for the 5-line description you had - time is short, and I'd rather not spend it writing out long tracts.

did this murder include children, women...?? me wearing there bowels and intestines as trophys? maybe TAPing it and putting my crime on television? if so then my answere is YES


If the majority of those subjected to this treatment were in fact found in that way, then there is a bigger issue of US corruption at stake. What kind of country releases mass murderers back into the community in their thousands? Surely that isn't justice either. The bribes must be enormous and at all levels of the military administration in Iraq for such blatant breaches of justice to be tolerated.

Personally I think it's more likely the majority of those imprisoned and mistreated are simply innocent, but you can have a grand conspiracy theory if you prefer.