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Happy New Year, Liberal JU Bloggers

Happy New Year, Liberal JU Bloggers

Just for you, a litmus test.

One of the most notable differences between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives are willing to call themselves conservatives. Talk radio hosts such as Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity willingly, even eagerly, proclaim their conservatism.

Liberals in the mainstream media, by contrast, have spent 40 years denying their obvious tilt toward the left. Even outside the media, liberals resist the label, making recognition of liberals more difficult.

As a public service, and with apologies to Jeff Foxworthy, here are the early warning signs that reveal if you, or someone you care about, just might be a liberal.

You might be a liberal if …

You think that if someone is getting richer, someone, somewhere, must be getting poorer.

You think that protestors outside nuclear power plants are dedicated activists, but protestors outside abortion clinics are dangerous zealots interfering with a legal activity.

You believe that more federal regulations will make your life better.

You believe that even though the top 20 percent of taxpayers pay 80 percent of income taxes, that the rich are not paying their “fair share.”

You think that Rush Limbaugh’s listeners are mindless “dittoheads,” but you have never doubted anything that you heard from Michael Moore.

You believe in global warming today just as firmly as you believed in global cooling back in the 1970s.

You believe that the network news is a better indicator of what “real” news is than talk radio, Internet news sites, and blogs.

You believe that there was never, ever a problem with biased news coverage until Fox News went on the air.

You believe that Mikhail Gorbachev deserves more credit for losing the Cold War than Ronald Reagan deserves for winning it.

Your parents gave you an acre of preserved rain forest for your first birthday.

You cannot name a single NASCAR driver.

You mentally subtract 100 points from someone’s IQ if the person speaks with a Southern accent.

You think that Dan Rather got a raw deal.

You panic if you discover that you’re out of chick peas.

You think that the phrase “separation of church and state” is in the Constitution.

You pride yourself on your global awareness, global sensitivity and global outlook, but can’t name your state legislator or school board representative.

You are dedicated to helping the poor, the downtrodden and the less fortunate, but you have never given blood.

You have not seen "The Passion of the Christ," and you don’t know anyone who has seen it.

You believe that a woman should make it on her own, without depending on her husband (except for Hillary Clinton).

You believe that professional, working women should never be judged on their appearance (except for Katherine Harris).

You believe that rich people should not be allowed to contribute so much money to candidates for office (except for George Soros).

You believe that government should make a special effort to hire members of traditionally oppressed groups, such as African-Americans (except for Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice).

You feel a deep sense of common cause with oppressed groups, such as Hispanic immigrants (except for Cuban Americans fleeing Castro).

You believe that a mother’s wishes for her child, especially a mother’s last, dying wish for her child, should outweigh the wishes of a father who had long before deserted his family (unless the child is named Elian Gonzalez).

You think people in south Florida, who can’t figure out how to work a butterfly ballot, ought to have the final say in choosing the president of the United States.

You have no problem with Hollywood movie starts flying around in private jets to give speeches on the evils of SUVs.

You think that raising taxes will reduce the budget deficit.

You deplore prejudice and bigotry in all its forms, but think that everyone in the “red states” is an idiot.

You are more concerned, more often, with the rights of convicted felons than you are with the rights of small business owners.

You uphold a woman’s right to choose, unless a woman chooses adoption, chooses to be a stay-at-home mom, chooses to homeschool, or chooses to start a business.

You are more concerned with Vice President Cheney’s links to Halliburton than with Saddam Hussein’s links to international terrorism.

You have used the phrase, “in Europe, the government pays for health care and vacation,” without irony.

You are worried about how the French view Americans.

You believe that nativity scenes should be banned from public view, but that anyone objecting to pornography “only has to look the other way.”

And finally, you are almost certainly a liberal if you refuse to admit that you’re a liberal, and accuse anyone of calling you a liberal of McCarthyism.

 Courtesy of Ed Lynch, Columnist and Professor.

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Reply #26 Top

I guess I'm more a welfare liberal with authoritarian leanings - I think most modern democracies are anything but democratic (which is good), but I firmly believe that people should both have 'rights' and that society as a whole has a responsibility to look after its weakest. And as private society and social capital continues to decline, that role must be increasingly taken up by elected governments, whether they like it or not.

Economically I'm too much of a fan of the fripperies of the capitalist system to want to do away with it, but I prefer the Keynesian approach to economic management over what I consider an irresponsible neoliberal approach.

So realistically I'm more a conservative of the likes of Bismarck than a Commie like Marx, but I do have considerable respect for liberal ideas like human rights (not least because brutality is too inefficient).


Ouch!  Ok, on the first paragraph, I tend to agree.  But (or with) the ideal that there is nothing really better!  And yes, we need to look after our weakest, but I think that we, not government are best suited to do so.  Government only begets dependance.  Society begets people willing to get out of the poverty cycle and help those who fall in.


On the second paragraph, Double Ouch!  I am a Monetarist!  Econ by degree and education.  I think Keynes was a total nut case.  No, that is wrong.  He was well meaning, but just plain wrong. Keynsian taken to an extreme means goverments can 'spend their way out of recession'.  It just cannot and does not happen.


Third, that really makes you a conservative, but with just right of center.  No Bible thumper, but a responsible conservative.


Interesting how politics dont span oceans.  At least not as labels.

Reply #27 Top
This is quite a funny article, even if some of it is pretty inaccurate. If not admitting to being a liberal makes you a liberal, what does it mean that I have a username that labels me a socialist?

I concur with cactoblasta's objection to the term 'liberal'. I use labels like right/left, liberal/conservative a bit because as Andrew Bartlett says, it is useful shorthand but usually fairly useless. They don't really tell you anything real, they just allow you to categorise someone according to your prejudices.
There is an excellent article called Rethinking Left and Right at http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/07/1091732135091.html?oneclick=true
"Once the socialists and the Left were the radicals wanting rapid social change, but now the visionaries who want to overturn the established order are the neo-liberals. Setting in place market mechanisms in almost every aspect of life leads to a society being constantly transformed. The more far sighted conservatives are beginning to see that free markets corrode old values and the social fabric, as well as economic monopolies...It is in conflict not only with the Left but with the philosophical conservatives, who base themselves on a moral order that increasingly clashes with the New Capitalism."

These are some of my favourite contradictions within the rhetoric about two polarised opposites:
1. When Federation began in Australia we had the Free Trade Party Vs the Protectionists. The Protectionists were considered the conservatives. Then the Labor Party got into power and in order to defeat them, the Free Trade Party joined with the Protectionists!!!! After 100 years of protectionism being supported by both sides, we now have a neo-con PM who is signing free trade agreements left, right and centre, if you'll forgive the expression.
2. The infamously racist Pauline Hanson who basically supports a return to the White Australia Policy is opposed to Howard's plan to sell off the Government's telecommunications company.
3. Many communists believe socialists are their biggest enemies because far right capitalism will eventually self-destruct, so they eat at Maccas and support major companies.
4. It is the neo-cons of today who advocate "progress" and they want it thick and fast, yet it is many in the Green movement who advocate a more conservative approach, to maintain many of our current values and to listen to the wisdom of the past.
5. And what of feminists who hate cultures like the Muslims for being anti-woman in their eyes? Or secularists who love Muslims but hate Christians?
6. And my favourite contradiction has always been Plato. He advocated homosexuality on the basis of chauvinism. He believed women were incapable of holding decent conversation because they were too stupid, so you should actually love men. Is that left or right?

"You believe that more federal regulations will make your life better."
Both sides believe this, we just believe in different regulations.
"you have never doubted anything that you heard from Michael Moore."
I agree with and like a lot of Michael Moore's statements, but I always criticially analyse anything I read and realise that he is prone to hyperbole and guilty of omitting facts as much as any journalist.
"You believe in global warming today just as firmly as you believed in global cooling back in the 1970s.
I know a damn lot of conservatives(in the sense you usually use it) who believe in global warming. I wasn't alive in the 70s to believe in global cooling.
"You believe that the network news is a better indicator of what “real” news is than talk radio, Internet news sites, and blogs."
As someone who maintains a blog, calls in to talkback, and has a degree in journalism, I can say with authority that network news is considerably more reliable and real than these other formats.
"You deplore prejudice and bigotry in all its forms, but think that everyone in the “red states” is an idiot."
It is perhaps the most frustrating thing in the world when I come across fellow lefties who are bigots. Last night a few of us guys got right up some feminists who were justifying their anti-Muslim, anti-wog prejudice on the basis of feminism. This is unacceptable. So is anti-Americanism. I consider myself a feminist, but unlike many femos I do not feel the need to balance it out with alternative racisms. And anti-Christianityness is also unaccpetable. We have to love the sinner, hate the sin.
"You uphold a woman’s right to choose, unless a woman chooses adoption, chooses to be a stay-at-home mom, chooses to homeschool, or chooses to start a business. "
I'm not sure why this was in. I thought I was supposed to be a big supporter of all of these. Guess I'd better change my stance.
Reply #28 Top

Champas, Maybe it is just english speaking countries, but hey!  We are as crazy!


Dont Object, just laugh.  There are ones for american conservatives as well!


In the end, thinking people, right or left, do not fit into the stereotypes.  But thanks for the history of Down under!  Now I have to do some research and show you we are just as goofy!


Goofy is ok, right?

Reply #29 Top
You think that if someone is getting richer, someone, somewhere, must be getting poorer.


acutally that is a logical certainty. does the money come from nowhere?

You think that protestors outside nuclear power plants are dedicated activists, but protestors outside abortion clinics are dangerous zealots interfering with a legal activity.



The nuclear protestors, to my knowlege, have never tried to blow up a nuclear plant. The same cannot be said for abortion protestors. But I'm for nuclear power and have a plant about 10 miles from my house.

You believe that even though the top 20 percent of taxpayers pay 80 percent of income taxes, that the rich are not paying their “fair share.”


Do you know what % of wealth the top 20 % control?

You think that Rush Limbaugh’s listeners are mindless “dittoheads,” but you have never doubted anything that you heard from Michael Moore.


I've never seen a single Moore movie, unless its Roger Moore (but I prefer Connery).

You cannot name a single NASCAR driver


I can name quite a few, but I don't think I could name a single member of the US men's world cup soccer team.

You have not seen "The Passion of the Christ," and you don’t know anyone who has seen it.


I haven't seen it because I don't care to see a man tortured to death, especially my savior. But if I had I time machine, the first place I would visit would be the crucifixion to see if I could soothe him in his final hours.

You are more concerned with Vice President Cheney’s links to Halliburton than with Saddam Hussein’s links to international terrorism.


So you're one of the 75% of Bush supporters that still think Saddam had ties to 9/11 despite that being debunked by the 9/11 committee.

And finally, you are almost certainly a liberal if you refuse to admit that you’re a liberal, and accuse anyone of calling you a liberal of McCarthyism.



Anyone who wants to call me a liberal does not do so because they want to outline my positive aspects. They are trying to label me for someone I am not. I am a Democrat who believes in the death penalty, wants to ween Americans off social security, and hate political correctness. If I call you a conservative, I'm not wondering how many abortion clinics you've blown up, how you get in the basement with all those AK-47s blocking the way, or believe that you want to bring back the inquisition. But those who want to use the liberal label want people to think that I would tear down a factory to save a single flower, have a picture of Marx on my wall, hate America with a passion and want to ban the bible. I am proud to be an American and proud to be an Iowan and proud to be a Democrat. I would never run away from who I am. But if someone wants to attach a negative label on me, why should I accept it?
Reply #30 Top
do not know any NASCAR drivers


I'm liberal; and I know NASCAR drivers; Jeff Gorden, Dale Earnhart Jr., Dale Jarret, Kurt Busch, etc. etc.

quote]You think people in south Florida, who can’t figure out how to work a butterfly ballot, ought to have the final say in choosing the president of the United States
Not only do I not believe it, but I have a Fl. 2000 sample ballot and it was confusing and hard- good-damn it!

You are worried about how the French view Americans

I really don't give a sh*t what some damn French bastards view me!

chick peas

What the hell is a chick pea?
Reply #31 Top
acutally that is a logical certainty. does the money come from nowhere?


Does Intelligence?

Are we as poor as we were 100 years ago? You logic is the only uncertainty
Reply #32 Top
The nuclear protestors, to my knowlege, have never tried to blow up a nuclear plant


Your knowledge is flawed.
Reply #33 Top
Do you know what % of wealth the top 20 % control?


Do you? Do you pay your fair share? If I make 100 dollars and pay 20, and you make 1000 and pay 400 is that fair?
Reply #34 Top
One of the most notable differences between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives are willing to call themselves conservatives. Talk radio hosts such as Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity willingly, even eagerly, proclaim their conservatism.

Liberals in the mainstream media, by contrast, have spent 40 years denying their obvious tilt toward the left. Even outside the media, liberals resist the label, making recognition of liberals more difficult.


That reminds me of the debates when Kerry almost fell over trying avoid the liberal label Bush had just applied to him.


Reply By: whoman69 Posted: Friday, December 31, 2004
You think that if someone is getting richer, someone, somewhere, must be getting poorer.


acutally that is a logical certainty. does the money come from nowhere?


Yes it does. Take this example: over the last year, my home's value increased 8% and my stock portfolio increased 12%. I am richer than I was a year ago, yet I did not take wealth from anyone else to do this.

Reply #35 Top
[quote}I can name quite a few, but I don't think I could name a single member of the US men's world cup soccer team.


Name them.
Reply #36 Top
I haven't seen it because I don't care to see a man tortured to death, especially my savior. But if I had I time machine, the first place I would visit would be the crucifixion to see if I could soothe him in his final hours


Then do so. Stop being a pharisee.

Reply #37 Top
So you're one of the 75% of Bush supporters that still think Saddam had ties to 9/11 despite that being debunked by the 9/11 committee.

And you are one of the 100% of idiots that still dont read behind the numbers and see that is not the case.

Reply #38 Top
Anyone who wants to call me a liberal does not do so because they want to outline my positive aspects. They are trying to label me for someone I am not.


Why? I am a conservative. I am not a republican. I am not ashamed to say I am conservative.

You know, this was a humor piece. But you just proved half the stereotypes. Congratulations! You just made Liberal of the year 2005!
Reply #39 Top
Name them.


But now he's going to copy me!
Reply #40 Top
Yes it does. Take this example: over the last year, my home's value increased 8% and my stock portfolio increased 12%. I am richer than I was a year ago, yet I did not take wealth from anyone else to do this.


Ouch! You really know how to zing it to them!
Reply #41 Top
What the hell is a chick pea?


French for Grits.
Reply #42 Top
But now he's going to copy me!


Sorry Alex!
Reply #43 Top
French for Grits


OH- Well I still don't care if i'm out considering a don't like GRITS
Reply #44 Top
You know, this was a humor piece. But you just proved half the stereotypes. Congratulations! You just made Liberal of the year 2005!


And you just proved my point. You just want to label me with something you find distasteful. When President Bush called John Kerry the most liberal member of Congress, do you believe that he meant to compliment the junior senator from MA? He wants to label him with something that Americans will find out of the mainstream. He wants America to believe that Kerry is a member of PETA, the ACLU and wants to take away every gun in the country. He wants the public to believe that Kerry would ban the bible and make marriage another gay institution. He wants to paint Kerry as someone who will tax you until you have no more. So excuse me if I don't take the bait.

Republicans always complain about how they are portray by Democrats and then go and do the same or worse. Republicans were whining before the fact that the Democratic convention would be negative. It was not. Then they went out and ran one of the most negative conventions in recent memory. Bush uses the political equivelent of deniable plausibility in smearing his opponents. He lets Karl Rove and his other lieutenants do the smearing for him. In this he can seem to remain above it all, but his opponents are smeared none the less.
Reply #45 Top
And you just proved my point. You just want to label me with something you find distasteful.


Who said I found it distasteful? I guess you and you are GOD right? You like to put words into other's mouths, and yet then bob and weave when someone questions your words.

I Beleive you labeled yourself, and I dont find it distasteful. I find that true Liberals are an honest and noble people, even if I disagree with them.

But your use of absolutes shows a very dishonest streak.
Reply #46 Top
Can you show me one time where George Bush or Ronald Reagan used the word liberal and meant it to be a positive. You call liberals distasteful on this board every day. The whole idea behind this thread is that you find liberals distasteful.
Reply #47 Top
Can you show me one time where George Bush or Ronald Reagan used the word liberal and meant it to be a positive. You call liberals distasteful on this board every day. The whole idea behind this thread is that you find liberals distasteful.


You are making a career of being wrong. By Your logic, every time you use the word conservative it is a cuss word.

But no, I use the word liberal to descibe a mind set that I do not agree with. You give the name its bad connotation by your constantly trying to belittle those who do not agree with you. If you want, I will call you a progressive, but that is your choice.

I dont see why you are ashamed of being called a Liberal when that is the line you toe to. But then I guess that is your problem, not mine.

And a final note. Since you cannot prove a negative, why dont you prove that Reagan or Bush used lliberals in a derogatory, intead of a descriptive sense. Try to stay on topic and done use policy disagreements as your proof. As you know, that is just a disagreement, but it is not being disagreeable.
Reply #48 Top
And a final note. Since you cannot prove a negative, why dont you prove that Reagan or Bush used lliberals in a derogatory, intead of a descriptive sense. Try to stay on topic and done use policy disagreements as your proof. As you know, that is just a disagreement, but it is not being disagreeable.


Circular argument. I asked you to find any statements by Dubyah or Reagan about liberals that were positive. Then you ask me to prove something when you haven't brought the proof I've asked for. I asked first, so you first.
Reply #49 Top
Circular argument. I asked you to find any statements by Dubyah or Reagan about liberals that were positive. Then you ask me to prove something when you haven't brought the proof I've asked for. I asked first, so you first.


Nope! For 2 reasons!

#1: It is my blog, and it is New years Day.
#2: I already told you that you cannot prove a negative. Any quote I give you, you are going to claim is negative. None are, but then you perceive anyone right of Nader who mentions Liberal as doing so in a bad way. I will not try to prove something that is just not in evidence. You want to provide the evidence? I will refute it. Until then......

Happy New year Progressive!
Reply #50 Top
Its my basketball and I'm taking it home.