Islam the Religion of Child Kidnappers? Plus! Euro Inaction!

The Swiss look like jackholes in this as well...

from JoeUser Forums

     Here is a little example of the bankruptcy of the European attitude towards "Palestine", a country which by the way does not even exist! A father abducts his 5 kids and takes them to the West Bank claiming "he wants them raised under strict Koranic law" and then offers to ransom them back to their mother for arounf 700,000 dollars. Praise Allah!

     Now you may ask why the Mossad and Swiss Special Forces are not conducting a rescue op at this very instant? Well because the Swiss in lockstep with the rest of Europe say that they can't get involved because the kids have "dual citizenship" both Swiss and Palestinian. Of course the only flaw (glaring) in this argument is that there is no Palestine to be a citizen of.

     Hmmm makes you wonder why Americans are reluctant to seek the approval of nations who are so mentally constipated and who live in such politically neutral muck that they can't figure out how to take a stand even to protect their own children!

Read the whole article here.

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
Wow, I wonder how I would go about getting dual citizenship in countries that don't exist.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #2 By: David St. Hubbins (Anonymous) - 12/19/2004 10:59:46 PM
Oh great, the world was desperately waiting with baited breath for another anti-Muslim, anti-Europe blog from JU's favourite jingoist. Oh, and I love the 'fair and balanced' slant from this article, which you neglect to mention was written by 'Ilya Meyer' for 'IsraelNationalNews.com'. At least it wasn't WorldNetDaily Oh, and it's Sweden, not Switzerland, did you even read the article? Or all all those Eurocommies the same to you? Paging Dr. Freud....

Here is a synopsis of this blog and most of the xenophobic crap you post:

"Once upon a time a Muslim guy did something bad. Therefore, Muslim is evil."

This is the sort of clown-phalli flapping crap you decried in a previous near-sensible post. A Muslim could just as easily post a 'stupid infidel of the day' blog at MohammedUser (for instance, the American woman who cut a baby out of the still-alive mother's womb), doing the same thing you are doing. It solves nothing . Get some new material; the seething raging jingoist schtick is getting old.

David St. Hubbins

(On a side note: I'm not sure which gives me greater pleasure when arguing with Greywar: the fact his postions are so easily disproven and ridiculable, which makes it fun, or the deeper satisfaction in knowing that I am defeating the forces of evil.)


You sir (spelled cur) are a flaming idiot and not fit to breathe the same air as the lowest of us americans! Why don't you take a very loooooong walk off of a very short pier! And while your at it please feel free to forget how to swim.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #4 By: David St. Hubbins (Anonymous) - 12/20/2004 2:44:30 AM
Hey "Doc": SHUT THE FUCK UP! It's idiots like you who give Americans a bad name and make this site a circlejerk of Sisyphean stupidity. Asshole. For future reference, the average American male is five foot eight and one hundred and ninety pounds; short, fat, and out of shape. I'll book that action anytime, pal, and no missle silo in Nebraska's gonna help you. You and your ilk are not fit to lick my shadow of a pile of cur dung, much less respond to any of my posts. Now fuck off like a good little Busheep and don't ever sully one of my posts with your subhuman guttoral babbling again.

David St. Hubbins
(A tad harsh? No, this asshole needed to be told. Civility is lost on barbarians.)


*ANYTIME* Asshole!!! Try 6' at 220lbs and a certified sharpshooter! Come and get it. You who aren't even supposed to be here! So why are *you* even posting, jerk-off?
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #6 By: Talisein (Anonymous) - 12/20/2004 5:05:31 AM
YHBT.


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Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #5 By: drmiler - 12/20/2004 4:47:37 AM
Reply #4 By: David St. Hubbins (Anonymous) - 12/20/2004 2:44:30 AM
Hey "Doc": SHUT THE FUCK UP! It's idiots like you who give Americans a bad name and make this site a circlejerk of Sisyphean stupidity. Asshole. For future reference, the average American male is five foot eight and one hundred and ninety pounds; short, fat, and out of shape. I'll book that action anytime, pal, and no missle silo in Nebraska's gonna help you. You and your ilk are not fit to lick my shadow of a pile of cur dung, much less respond to any of my posts. Now fuck off like a good little Busheep and don't ever sully one of my posts with your subhuman guttoral babbling again.

David St. Hubbins
(A tad harsh? No, this asshole needed to be told. Civility is lost on barbarians.)


*ANYTIME* Asshole!!! Try 6' at 220lbs and a certified sharpshooter! Come and get it. You who aren't even supposed to be here! So why are *you* even posting, jerk-off?


And BTW I do not need a missle silo to take care of a pile of do-do like you. So get a life!
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
YHBT is You Have Been Trolled. No biggie since I will only tolerate spam-bots on troll discussion threads. Not here. Get exiled and you pretty much comment at my leisure:) Heck, it's my blog so even registered users in good standing comment at my leisure:)
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
While David did go over the top, he made a very important point,

One bad incident does not make the entire population bad.

His highlighting of the awful baby cut from his mother is a good example of this. People don't taint the entire US with this behaviour. But to taint all muslims with kidnapping behaviour is wrong. There are plenty of cases every year within the US itself of parents kidnapping their children.

As for the accusation of inaction, this is absurd. Your own article shows that sweden are currently trying all legal and diplomatic means to get the children back. Sadly the Palestine state does not exist and so this is complex. No amount of anti muslim and anti EU retoric changes this.

Paul.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top

His highlighting of the awful baby cut from his mother is a good example of this. People don't taint the entire US with this behaviour. But to taint all muslims with kidnapping behaviour is wrong. There are plenty of cases every year within the US itself of parents kidnapping their children.

I did not see it as tainting muslims period, just Europeans and their lack of a backbone.  Or did I miss something?

And DR, thanks for saving those posts of DSH.  I was glad to be reminded of the only person that I would ever consider blacklisting.

Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top

Your own article shows that sweden are currently trying all legal and diplomatic means to get the children back.

Except actually doing anything yes. The guy kidnapped children and his location is a known. This is why we have law enforcment and SWAT. Trying "all legal" means to get kids back from a kidnapper is like asking the nice mugger to please give back your wallet and stop stabbing you. This is exactly the sort of attitude that pervades the UN and Old Europe. All talk, zero action.

One bad incident does not make the entire population bad.

This is far from an isolated incident. Check out the Religion of Peace series I have been doing.

Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top

His highlighting of the awful baby cut from his mother is a good example of this.

Anyone have a source for this? Davey sure didn't and Google has no fucking idea about it. Anyone?

Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top

Oh i misread his screed (probably because I paid about 1 second of attention to it (Davey's not Sol's)), I knew about the woman (also a nutbag) I assumed he was talking about Americans cutting an Arab or Muslim child from a woman there. What do internal crimes have to do with this? People in Islamic countries can kill each other off or commit crimes against other folks of their nation all they want. This crime crosses international borders in the name of Koranic Law. Whole nother hill of beans here folks. While this woman is certainly disturbed and should be put down like a rabid dog she is not advocating that her philosophy be adopted forcibly if necessary by the "infidel" world. When hordes of whackjob women crowd the streets calling for a baby-cutting Jihad against pregnant women I will place it in the same category. As Sol points out there are lots of cases of internal kidnappings. The things I am tolaking about are NOT internal problems. This is where Islam runs into trouble. It thinks all the world needs to be converted and wills top at nothing to include kidnappings, school bus bombings, and training their infants to carry out Jihad.

Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top

what koranic law you are speaking about !!?? ,I am muslim and I know my religion very well ,bring me your proof from the Koran before you say it is koranic law !!

stop accusing the Islam with false and stupid accussations,I know the incident you are taking about and I read about it ,he is just a greedy person who wants money

this crime has to do nothing with Islam and Also Palestine

sorry as if the world has no other criminals except Muslims!! and all the crimes are done by Muslims!!

come on as if he were the first father in world who kidnappes his children from their mom in the world,last year Egyptian chirstian orxthodox kidnapped his 3 children from their british mother and came back to Egypt because he wanted them to be orxthodox like him, can I say then the chirstianity the religion of Kidnappers!!!

There is one billion muslims in this world ,deal with it ,
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top

There is one billion muslims in this world ,deal with it ,

sigh the danger here ziein is that the Muslim world will force us to "deal with it" as I stated in this article.

There are in fact a billion Muslims yes, but there are no Muslim superpowers. Heck there are barely any Muslim nations who qualify as "powers" and yes I am including nuclear Pakistan in this. While Pak may pose a threat to India any moves it makes outside that arena are laughable as a threat.

I do not hate Muslims. I just want Muslims to step up to the plate and police up their own people. Don't make us do it for you.

Ziein - here you are:) From the horses mouth as it were (from the linked article)

Ismail Nowajah says he disapproves of the upbringing the children were getting in Sweden, where they were born, and that he wishes to bring them up according to a stricter Islamic code, which he says cannot be done in Sweden but is possible in Gaza. However, he has signaled that he is willing to release the children back into the custody of their mother against a payment of five million Swedish kronor (about 720,000 US dollars).

thanks for the comment though, you challenged my position and kept it civil. I like commentary and debate like that and I thank you and Solitair for opposing my opinions in a constructive way.

Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
Greywar,
law enforcement is not something Sweden can do in palestine. Likewise, sending in armed troops is not going to get those children back safely. It's not like the US has a better record in getting abductees returned. Demonising Sweden or Europe for something that is a world problem is not helpful. Try reading this link on the US state department's success rate.

Link

Paul.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top

law enforcement is not something Sweden can do in palestine. Likewise, sending in armed troops is not going to get those children back safely. It's not like the US has a better record in getting abductees returned. Demonising Sweden or Europe for something that is a world problem is not helpful. Try reading this link on the US state department's success rate.

I tink that plays into greywar's other issue.  And that is we treat Muslims with kid gloves not reserved for any other denomination.  After all, we managed to re-patriate Elian Gonzalez without much trouble (if you consider armed troops not much trouble).

Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top

law enforcement is not something Sweden can do in palestine.

It is certainly something they can request that Israel do for them. Israel's record for this sort of thing is pretty damn good too:)

Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
Greywar,
what do you think the outcry would be if Israel did try to grab the children and one of them was killed? If you look at my last post you will see that I flag a link showing many similar cases of US kids taken abroard where the US does not resort to military action. Why do you expect Sweden to act different from the US. Why are you more critical of them than the US?

Paul.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top

Why do you expect Sweden to act different from the US. Why are you more critical of them than the US?

I am just as critical in these situations, the US record of inaction in hostage siuations is worse than it's record of actions. If MY child was taken like this I sure as hell would rather risk the Mossad going in to rescue her than leave her in the hands of people who behave like this.

Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Greywar

here is my thoughts as I said before I will say it again the man all what he wants is Money ,come on the man already was living already in Sweden and married a woman from there and then suddenly he released it isnot an islamic country!!!

Muslims don't need any one to anyone to police them,because they are already live in police countries do you know that Internet is limited in Tunisia ,it is not available like the rest of the world for security reasons!!!

and if 5 saudis were gathered and talked about anything the 5th person is from the Secret service!!

in the past they were already Muslim powers ,why?? simply because old muslims were much opened minded ,had freedom and more important they understood well and worked with their Holy Koran
an example and it is associated with the incident of this man ,as I have read that this man wanted his daughter to marry from his relative ,if he understood the Koran very well ,he would knew that the approval of the woman or the girl in the marriage is basic part in it ,without the Marriage will be illegal ,no marriage at all,and here it means the complete approval by her ownself,approval of 100% by heart and mind ,not by force ,not by her father approval ,not by anyone ,
this is a Koranic rule ,some muslims don't work with it , a neglected rule that preserves the woman's right,this means nothing wrong in the Islam or most muslims yet there is something wrong with some muslims and this happens in every religion

Law enforcement in Palestine won't be fulfilled by Iseral or anyone else except the by the palestinians themselves ,this is what logic says fix the political system in Palestine , make a democractic system there not like the corrupted Palestinian authority and you will have a law enforcement there
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top

Some good points ziein and...

and if 5 saudis were gathered and talked about anything the 5th person is from the Secret service!!

*chuckle*

 

Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
Greywar,
I understand the desire to see immediate action. It is an awful situation and one that I would be much happier if some action could be taken on. I'm glad to hear that you also disapprove of similar US inaction and no longer consider it,

This is exactly the sort of attitude that pervades the UN and Old Europe


It's an international problem affects many countries and we all need to find better ways to deal with it.

Any case of parents fighting over their children is awful. This case is particularly bad as it looks very much like the father doesn't even care for them. I hope that the new Palestinian authority can act on this case and applaud people for trying to bring it to wider attention. But people need to accept that it is an individual involved and not a reflection on muslims or their beliefs.

Paul
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top

hope that the new Palestinian authority can act on this case

I "hope" they can too but I am pretty damn sure that they wont. The Palestinian authority has been anything but an authority in the past and I don't see that changing. The problem I am highlighting here is part of a much larger trend that I have documented in tons of articles and that is the rrfusal of the Muslim community to police itself. Tack on to that a strong condemnation of the sort of inactive eunuch politicking that has plagued Europe and the UN for the last 30 years. I should have made these points more clearly in the post. My apologies.

Reply #25 from PolMach Forums Top
I would just like to point out that a central core of Islam is peace and tolerance of other religions. Therefore, I must point out that these absolute bags of slime are not Islam. I beg of you not to judge all of us by those who don't even practice our religion.