IMPEACH BUSH and CHENEY, TOO

Typical, and off topic.  Why dont you try to be objective for once in your life.  Is that Possible?

For drguy, I have just been reading stuff and NOT commenting, but seeing you argue with these idiot lefty revisionist morons makes me wanna puke all over there liberal shoes. cannot you see no matter what OUR president does the leftwing maggots will not ever,,, I repeat ever acknowledge any good he does, its kind of like debating with a class of autistic children, unless you see things the way they do they just cannot CANNOT understand

There were a lot of people back 60+ years ago that thought Roosevelt was a dismal failure,

and a lot more people who elected him to four consecutive terms.  

your statements about the japanese intentions in 1941 are ludicrous btw.  yamamoto's plan to bomb pearl harbor was based on what the japanese perceived as a rapidly closing window of opportunity;  they had to attack the us then or lack the resources to do it later.  hawaii may not have been a state, but an attack on our fleet is an attack on the nation.

Reply #50 By: Dr. Guy - 12/20/2004 8:54:46 PM There were a lot of people back 60+ years ago that thought Roosevelt was a dismal failure, I am sure you would have been among them. They are gone and now he is judged a good to great one. You should have read the entire thread, but then I doubt it would have made any difference to you.

Nothing Bush can do or will do will *ever* have a positive side to it as far as she's concerned.

Reply #53 By: kingbee - 12/20/2004 10:37:22 PM There were a lot of people back 60+ years ago that thought Roosevelt was a dismal failure, and a lot more people who elected him to four consecutive terms. your statements about the japanese intentions in 1941 are ludicrous btw.

So what your saying is that all the documents recovered are meaningless?

Reply #53 By: kingbee - 12/20/2004 10:37:22 PM There were a lot of people back 60+ years ago that thought Roosevelt was a dismal failure, and a lot more people who elected him to four consecutive terms.

Not in the last term! His margin was slimmer than GW's


1944 EC vote Popular vote
Franklin D. Roosevelt Democratic 432 25,602,504
Thomas E. Dewey Republican 99 22,006285
Norman Thomas Socialist 0 80,518


At least as far as the popular vote goes.

Again, the historians will write about these things, and it's not going to be pretty.

dabe and Dr. Guy in this respect your both right. But dabe, Carter and Kennedy while considered great Presidents in their time have been slowly losing Great President points every year. (Carter very quickly). Both was loved in their day, but as people that remember their charisma begin to die off, it is their legacy of lasting actions that will determine who will become great in time. (Will people remember the Bay of pigs or the space programs, Cuban missile crisis or our entry into the Vietnam war, Iran hostage problem or winning the Nobel peace prize?) Old Ronald Reagan was despised by many in his time, peoples view of him has jumped in resent years (Again risking nuclear war or ending Communist control in many parts of the world). Even Nixon's rating has been raising too.

Other presidents that was consider great in their day, but have ended at the bottom would be Grant, and Wilson.

Only time will tell if Bush 2 will be remembered for Social Security reform, bringing Democracy to the Middle East, or chief instigator bringing/stopping the raise of world Islamic fundamentalism .

That's My Two Cents

Will people remember the Bay of pigs or the space programs, Cuban missile crisis or our entry into the Vietnam war

Americans were sent to Vietnam first in 1957 during the Eisenhower administration. The number of troops did not increase incrementally until after the Gulf of Tonkin incident. The Bay of Pigs was planned during the Eisenhower administration as well. Pressure from the anti-Communists led Kennedy to proceed in both areas.

Wrong again. They were bombs dropped from a sea plane launched from a Submarine. Even today, no one could remote control a balloon over 6000 miles with any degree of accuracy.

try again weedhopper
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Not in the last term! His margin was slimmer than GW's 1944 EC vote Popular vote Franklin D. Roosevelt Democratic 432 25,602,504 Thomas E. Dewey Republican 99 22,006285 Norman Thomas Socialist 0 80,518 At least as far as the popular vote goes.

Misleading to say that Dubyah's margin was bigger since there were just over 48 million votes in 1944. Winning by 3.5 million votes with 120 million votes counted is much closer. Roosevelt's % of victory was far greater as he pulled 53.3% of the votes compared to 45.8 % for Dewey. The electoral college fell 432-99.

Reply #60 By: whoman69 - 12/21/2004 12:05:45 AM Will people remember the Bay of pigs or the space programs, Cuban missile crisis or our entry into the Vietnam war Americans were sent to Vietnam first in 1957

Americans were first sent in 1955 not 57. Check link. Although you are correct in that Eisenhower was the one who sent them.

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He'd have to be on steroids to approach greatness.

He'd have to be on steroids to approach greatness

i spose he could resign and it would be seen as a heroic act

I still do not see why you think the japanese high command would plant false information AFTER they lost. You really have to be a kook theorist to even imagine such rot.

You try to be civilized for so long, but eventually your true nature comes out, doesn't it? I really wish you would stop with your whole passive aggressive facade and come out and call me stupid from the beginning, instead of constantly trying to sugarcoat until you boil over like the Everest of right wing lunacy.

your statements about the japanese intentions in 1941 are ludicrous btw. yamamoto's plan to bomb pearl harbor was based on what the japanese perceived as a rapidly closing window of opportunity; they had to attack the us then or lack the resources to do it later. hawaii may not have been a state, but an attack on our fleet is an attack on the nation.

Why is an attack on our fleet an attack on our nation,but an attack on our airforce not an attack on our nation?

And my statement on the Japanese intentions had nothing to do with why they attacked pearl harbor, so they cannot be ludicrous, since they are non-existant.

Other presidents that was consider great in their day, but have ended at the bottom would be Grant, and Wilson.

Interesting side bar.  Grant was anti-semetic!  And probably the worst of all presidents,but he did win the war, and so in his time, he was a demi-god

dabe and Dr. Guy in this respect your both right

Lee, I am not saying Bush will be judged great or not.  I am merely saying that it is not up to us to judge him, and like you point out, future generations will be the ultimate judge.  I dont know how they will judge him, but I know when the final tally is done, people like Dabe will have long passed to dust, and the venom that is not spat at him will be a dim and irrelevant memory.

try again weedhopper

Try again grass muncher:

http://history1900s.about.com/library/prm/bljapanesebombwc2.htm

You try to be civilized for so long, but eventually your true nature comes out, doesn't it? I really wish you would stop with your whole passive aggressive facade and come out and call me stupid from the beginning, instead of constantly trying to sugarcoat until you boil over like the Everest of right wing lunacy.

Hey, I did not say you were a kook theorist.  You can call yourself whatever you want.  I made the statement and I am sticking by it.  If you want to call everyone who does not agree with you a part of the right wing lunacy, that is also your perogative.  I will not wallow in name calling, just calling the shots like I see them.

Hey, I did not say you were a kook theorist. You can call yourself whatever you want.

You hide behind clever wording like Bush hides behind "false intelligence."

Trust me, I do not think right wing lunacy is disagreement with my viewpoint, its when an argument stops making credible points and starts launching personal attacks as to the validity of my thought process. I am aware that you don't directly call anyone anything, ever. It is probably a safeguard against retaliation, like the ludicrous point of not knowing anything that you made earlier. Either way, you are truly naive if you don't think anyone can see through it.

Anyways, this has become utterly pointless, and I'm done with it now.

honestly ppl u say he hides behing clever wording.... O now hes clever, i thought u said hes a dumbass? O its cheney doing all the masterminding...i thought all converatives are morons and red necks?

Bush is definitely the most influential (spelled right dunno) pres. in years. Wethere he was good or bad is for our children to decide.