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Start11 2.52 Beta Feedback Thread

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Start11 2.52 Beta Feedback Thread

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With the Start11 2.52 beta release today, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

Obtaining Object Desktop Insider Builds

Object Desktop Manager

Object Desktop members can get beta and Insider builds from within Object Desktop Manager with 'Enable Object Desktop Insider builds' enabled:

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Stardock Download Page

Or via their download page in the ‘Object Desktop Insider’ section

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Obtaining Beta Releases

Stardock.com

If a beta was released, Object Desktop Members would see it in the ‘Object Desktop’ section.

Individual purchases would see it on their registration of the product under their download page.

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Steam

  • Right-click the Product in Steam

  • Properties

  • Betas

  • Select the beta branch at the top right (there is no password)

Example

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Reporting an issue

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)

  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen

  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive service (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube), with a shared link included in your post.  Images can be copied and pasted directly into a post.

  • If there are specific apps that the app does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Start11 v2 a better product.

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Reply #77 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting nitanpatel, reply 70

I've got a "black screen" issue going on that only seems to present when Start 11 is being used. The issue is present in both v2.51 and v2.52. 

Description as follows:

 

    • Start 11 enabled

 

    • Launch Netflix in browser (in Chrome)

 

    • Load a show (can be playing or paused)

 

    • Open Start 11 start menu

 

    • Close Start 11 start menu

 


Expected behaviour:

Start 11 start menu opens and closes without issue, without affecting anything else. 

Actual behaviour:

Start 11 start menu opens fine, but close it causes the screen to go black. Screen then recovers after a few seconds. 

Additional info:

When this issue occurs, an error is logged in Windows event log as follows:

 




The description for Event ID 153 from source nvlddmkm cannot be found. Either the component that raises this event is not installed on your local computer or the installation is corrupted. You can install or repair the component on the local computer.

 

If the event originated on another computer, the display information had to be saved with the event.

 

The following information was included with the event: 

 

\Device\Video3

Error occurred on GPUID: 100

 

The message resource is present but the message was not found in the message table


 

System specs:

 

    • Windows 11, 1000.26100.83.0

 

    • 9800X3D

 

    • ASRock X870E Nova

 

    • 64GB DDR5 6000/CL30

 

    • RTX 5090, latest 576.26 (hotfix driver, based on 576.02 WHQL)

 


Any ideas what could be causing this?

You would need to report this to nvidia as this appears to be a bug in their driver.  It probably happens when a specific combination of events happens such as a video and then the start11 menu close animation happening.  I understand the drivers for the 50xx series have been having a number of issues.

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Reply #78 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting nitanpatel, reply 77

Any further updates on the black screen issue I mentioned earlier? 

Nvidia has released a new driver. 576.28

Try this and see if it helps.

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Reply #79 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting pelaird, reply 78


Quoting nitanpatel,
reply 77

Any further updates on the black screen issue I mentioned earlier? 



Nvidia has released a new driver. 576.28

Try this and see if it helps.

Already have. No change. :(

Reply #80 from Stardock Forums Top

Sorry for cross-pointing from https://forums.stardock.com/535585/page/1/#3967897 thread, but I am dealing with very annoying issue still present in 2.52.3 beta, that after a while of using Start11 with vertical taskbar, taskbar's button to app assignment becomes broken, and taskbar buttons are opening random (wrong application) windows.

So far I only received into from Stardock community assistant that I should kill Explorer now and then using some script, but no confirmation from development team that this bug is known and will be fixed. Right now to me it is unacceptable that I need to restart Explorer process 5-8 times a day to reset button assignment, and a script to kill Explorer is not something I can accept.

I'd appreciate somebody from development team confirm this issue. I know that vertical taskbar was an experimental feature introduced in 2.5, but this was the reason I bought this product in the first place (I am looking at you Microsoft ;))

Thank you, Adam

Reply #81 from Stardock Forums Top

New Start11 user here. I just got a brand-new Dell with Win 11 on it (26100.4061) and noticed a problem with Start 11 related to top-mounted taskbar and the search box. It's set to Windows 7-style task bar. Start11 v2.51.

Normally, it looks like this:

But when you start typing in the search box,it looks like this:

 

Notice the search box is now about half of the width of the taskbar (you can see the blue border in the picture), and that you can't see what you're typing. If you happen to type it correctly and hit <enter>, then it will bring that item up.

Also notice you can't see all of the text (Outlook (classic) in this case). This is not a result of cropping this picture; it really looks that way.

Reply #82 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting aket3, reply 81

New Start11 user here. I just got a brand-new Dell with Win 11 on it (26100.4061) and noticed a problem with Start 11 related to top-mounted taskbar and the search box. It's set to Windows 7-style task bar. Start11 v2.51.

Normally, it looks like this:



But when you start typing in the search box,it looks like this:

 



Notice the search box is now about half of the width of the taskbar (you can see the blue border in the picture), and that you can't see what you're typing. If you happen to type it correctly and hit <enter>, then it will bring that item up.

Also notice you can't see all of the text (Outlook (classic) in this case). This is not a result of cropping this picture; it really looks that way.

Hello,
Sorry to hear you are having issues. Do you have Start11v2 Enhance taskbar turn on or off?

Thank you,
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant.

Reply #84 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting aket3, reply 83

"Let Start11 enhance the task bar" is turned off.

If you turn it on does the issue goes away?

Thank you,

Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant

Reply #85 from Stardock Forums Top

Also, not really sure what you mean by this statement.

Quoting aket3, reply 81

It's set to Windows 7-style task bar.

Thank you,

Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant

 

Reply #86 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting basj, reply 84


Quoting aket3,
reply 83

"Let Start11 enhance the task bar" is turned off.



If you turn it on does the issue goes away?

Thank you,

Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant

Yes. When it's turned on, if I click in the search box, a window shows up.

Quoting basj, reply 85

Also, not really sure what you mean by this statement.


Quoting aket3,
reply 81

It's set to Windows 7-style task bar.



Thank you,

Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant

 

It means just that - that Start 11 is set to emulate the Windows 7 taskbar.

Reply #87 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting aket3, reply 86

Yes. When it's turned on, if I click in the search box, a window shows up.

Great to hear that.

Thank you,

Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant

Reply #88 from Stardock Forums Top

Well, it sort of works. I sometimes have to click twice in the box. One click and the box disappears (but nothing shows up in it's place) and another click in that same area then works.

Regardless, this is the result:

Reply #89 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting aket3, reply 88

Well, it sort of works. I sometimes have to click twice in the box. One click and the box disappears (but nothing shows up in it's place) and another click in that same area then works.

Regardless, this is the result:

If you click and type something does the box appear?

Thank you,

Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant

Reply #90 from Stardock Forums Top

I don't understand.

when I click on the box now, usually the larger menu shows up, then I type something in that search box and it works. Sometimes I have to click twice though to get the larger menu to show up.

Reply #91 from Stardock Forums Top

Looks like the newest Windows Insider Build broke Start11v2.

 

I'm installing the beta build, just chiming in wondering if anyone else on Canary builds had that issue.

 

Reply #92 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting mattstiltner, reply 91

Looks like the newest Windows Insider Build broke Start11v2. 

I'm installing the beta build, just chiming in wondering if anyone else on Canary builds had that issue.

Define 'broke'.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #93 from Stardock Forums Top

Let me give you more detail here:

Windows 11 Insider Build 27858, I'm Canary branch, so I expect things to break from time to time.  

When I installed the patch, it had overwrote the start menu settings and forced it back to the default Win 11 Start menu style.  So I figured just swap it back and no issue, but the settings in Start11V2 didn't change this time.

 

So I figured I'd try the beta release, and it worked on install, changed the menu.  Once I rebooted, Windows 11 took the task back over again, restarting services doesn't change it either.  

I'm happy to provide any feedback / logs that might be helpful to the team.  

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Reply #94 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting mattstiltner, reply 93

Let me give you more detail here:

Windows 11 Insider Build 27858, I'm Canary branch, so I expect things to break from time to time.  

When I installed the patch, it had overwrote the start menu settings and forced it back to the default Win 11 Start menu style.  So I figured just swap it back and no issue, but the settings in Start11V2 didn't change this time.

 

So I figured I'd try the beta release, and it worked on install, changed the menu.  Once I rebooted, Windows 11 took the task back over again, restarting services doesn't change it either.  

I'm happy to provide any feedback / logs that might be helpful to the team.  

While this is useful information, and we may indeed ask for more data, as stated with all our products (and something you are likely used to being on very early builds of Windows), we do not support insider builds of Windows.

If you wish to discuss it further, please create a new thread, stating in the subject that you are on an insider build of Windows and what version.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #95 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting the_equalizer, reply 54

I also have a suggestion/request, if it hasn't already been made:



There is a lot of wasted space here, would it be possible to put some of them side-by-side?

100% this. Like the old Win7 days or the current alternative "StartAllBack"

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Reply #96 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting mping, reply 95

Quoting the_equalizer,
reply 54

I also have a suggestion/request, if it hasn't already been made:

There is a lot of wasted space here, would it be possible to put some of them side-by-side?


100% this. Like the old Win7 days or the current alternative "StartAllBack"

Another +1 on this. Horizontal layout for those icons would be huge.

Also, for the clock, if the taskbar is wide enough, have an option to put the time and date side by side on one line.

Reply #98 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting mping, reply 97

For context, here's what my dock area looks like. This is what I'd want for Start11.


I believe this was understood and was requested before. Appreciate your feedback. Currently there is nothing announce on this one yet.

Thank you,

Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant

Reply #100 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Baio73, reply 99

It's been a long time since beta 2.5.2.3 was released... no updates?

Thanks.

Baio

There is stuff in the oven, yes...

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

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