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Start11 1.2 Beta Feedback Thread

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Start11 1.2 Beta Feedback Thread

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With the Start11 1.2 beta release today, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

Obtaining the beta:

Object Desktop members can get the beta from within Object Desktop Manager with 'show beta downloads' enabled:

Individual purchases (as well as Object Desktop Members) can also be obtained from your account page:

https://store.stardock.com/myaccount/products

As we want as much feedback as possible for this release, we are making Start11 1.2 beta available to all.  The following direct link to the installer can be used for both licensed users and for any potential client wanting to (30 day) trial Start11 1.2 beta.

1.16: https://cdn.stardock.us/downloads/public/software/start/Start11_1.16-j140-Setup.exe
1.17: https://cdn.stardock.us/downloads/public/software/start/Start11_1.17-j151-Setup.exe

Reporting an issue:

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)
  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen
  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive services (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube) and link included in your post.  Images can be directly added.
  • If there are specific apps that the app does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Start11  a better product.

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Reply #226 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Narusegawa, reply 225

Another thing i did not notice is one of the companion apps TiEmu which is the emulator the IDE uses also does the same thing. It's written in C and uses GTK. I have not changed that at all. It does the same thing where the button will restore but not minimize it.

 

you can get it here:

http://www.calcforge.org:70/downloads/tiemu-3.02a/tiemu-3.02a-win32-setup.exe

Most likely its the same problem. Im trying to see if i can find any other apps that do the same thing.

 

EDIT.

TiEmu only does it when it was launched by GCC4TI if I run it directly (link in the start menu) it works fine.

Is GCC4TI being run as admin?

Reply #227 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 226


Quoting Narusegawa Naru,
reply 225

Another thing i did not notice is one of the companion apps TiEmu which is the emulator the IDE uses also does the same thing. It's written in C and uses GTK. I have not changed that at all. It does the same thing where the button will restore but not minimize it.

 

you can get it here:

http://www.calcforge.org:70/downloads/tiemu-3.02a/tiemu-3.02a-win32-setup.exe

Most likely its the same problem. Im trying to see if i can find any other apps that do the same thing.

 

EDIT.

TiEmu only does it when it was launched by GCC4TI if I run it directly (link in the start menu) it works fine.



Is GCC4TI being run as admin?

 

Yes. I used to add it in the compatibility tab but since then i've added it into the applications manifest.

 

EDIT

Indeed when run w/o admin minimize/restore works. However It has to run in admin privs otherwise it cannot access various folders (like includes)

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Reply #228 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 218


Quoting Jefferoni_Maloni,
reply 211

Hello! For some reason my second monitor's taskbar won't display correctly in small taskbar mode, it seems the taskbar will remain medium while everything else will be small size, shown here:


Reduced 41%

Reduced 44%
Original 799 x 450

Original 1916 x 1080


Also, an additional thing I noted is that when I press the Windows key while on my second monitor, the start menu and taskbar will pop up as normal. However, the taskbar will still auto-hide when it should remain up. This doesn't happen on the primary monitor, just the secondary.

My Windows version is 21H2, build 22000.556

 

Thank you!



Go to the taskbar settings in Start11, scroll down to taskbar size.  Set it to medium and then back to small.  Then restart explorer.

Does that fix it?

Thats assuming you are using 1.17 (check about page)


Yes, I did try that already, and I’m on 1.17.

Reply #229 from Stardock Forums Top

On beta/dev channels there's a new tablet gesture of swiping up on the taskbar to open the Start Menu. Is it possible to implement opening Start11's menu instead of the built-in one?

Reply #230 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting slinky333, reply 229

On beta/dev channels there's a new tablet gesture of swiping up on the taskbar to open the Start Menu. Is it possible to implement opening Start11's menu instead of the built-in one?

Currently no.

Reply #231 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Narusegawa, reply 227
 

Yes. I used to add it in the compatibility tab but since then i've added it into the applications manifest.

 

EDIT

Indeed when run w/o admin minimize/restore works. However It has to run in admin privs otherwise it cannot access various folders (like includes)

That makes sense then.  I am pleased to say we have that fixed for the next update.

Reply #232 from Stardock Forums Top

I just wanted to follow up on the two issues I reported: the quick settings being cut off when the taskbar is on the top of the screen, and notifications area/system tray icons being unresponsive and causing explorer.exe crashes when using touch.

Reply #233 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 231


Quoting Narusegawa Naru,
reply 227
 

Yes. I used to add it in the compatibility tab but since then i've added it into the applications manifest.

 

EDIT

Indeed when run w/o admin minimize/restore works. However It has to run in admin privs otherwise it cannot access various folders (like includes)



That makes sense then.  I am pleased to say we have that fixed for the next update.

 

Outstanding!! Any ETA on that update? I mean no rush just do it now : )

Reply #234 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Narusegawa, reply 233

Outstanding!! Any ETA on that update? I mean no rush just do it now : )

Early next week would be a reasonable expectation.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Support Manager

Reply #235 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting sdRohan, reply 234


Early next week would be a reasonable expectation.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Support Manager

Cool. Can't wait to try it out.

 
Reply #236 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Nylan1st, reply 18


Quoting Nylan1st,
reply 12

Taskbar issue already reported in previous Beta still occurs.

> Taskbar not displayed when pressing "windows key", just the Start Menu is showing up

https://youtu.be/rEeawz1qlaE

 



The issue is slightly different but not better. Now we can briefly see the taskbar like during 1ms....

https://youtu.be/rEJ9hYbtXVI

 

Issue still occurs with 1.17

Reply #237 from Stardock Forums Top

I've been on the Beta channel since last summer and this is the first MAJOR update they've done since then. I do agree though that Stardock should stick to the finished product releases .. my intention was just to give anyone else on the Insiders channels a heads up if they were having the same issue.

Reply #238 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Nylan1st, reply 236


Quoting Nylan1st,
reply 18






Quoting Nylan1st,

reply 12


Taskbar issue already reported in previous Beta still occurs.

> Taskbar not displayed when pressing "windows key", just the Start Menu is showing up

https://youtu.be/rEeawz1qlaE

 



The issue is slightly different but not better. Now we can briefly see the taskbar like during 1ms....

https://youtu.be/rEJ9hYbtXVI



 

Issue still occurs with 1.17

This has been addressed for the 1.18 update.

Reply #239 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 238


Quoting Nylan1st,
reply 236






Quoting Nylan1st,

reply 18










Quoting Nylan1st,



reply 12




Taskbar issue already reported in previous Beta still occurs.

> Taskbar not displayed when pressing "windows key", just the Start Menu is showing up

https://youtu.be/rEeawz1qlaE

 




The issue is slightly different but not better. Now we can briefly see the taskbar like during 1ms....

https://youtu.be/rEJ9hYbtXVI




 

Issue still occurs with 1.17



This has been addressed for the 1.18 update.

 

I'm hoping the remainder of the touchscreen issues are being addressed as well? I've been having some crashes related to them in 1.17.

Reply #240 from Stardock Forums Top

Yeah I'm not too thrilled about it myself - especially when I saw the 'evaluation copy' watermark .. thankfully it seems that the issues from yesterday are now solved.

Reply #241 from Stardock Forums Top

Yes, Windows 11 is just terrible in that regard.

If you keep Windows 10 and use Start11 you will have a much better experience by using the Windows 11 start menu than installing that POS of an OS

Reply #242 from Stardock Forums Top

1.16 is not playing nice with the latest iteration of Windows 11 on my Surface Pro 7, particularly when the keyboard is disconnected. In that case, Start11 doesn't work at all. I realize that it's often the case that apps don't work well with beta software (in this case on both sides), but it's worth a heads up to know there are problems ahead.

Reply #243 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting merdrich, reply 242

1.16 is not playing nice with the latest iteration of Windows 11 on my Surface Pro 7, particularly when the keyboard is disconnected. In that case, Start11 doesn't work at all. I realize that it's often the case that apps don't work well with beta software (in this case on both sides), but it's worth a heads up to know there are problems ahead.

Start 11 is now on release 1.17. however there are still issues if you are using the beta / dev version. I believe what is causing you issues is the auto hide taskbar feature when the keyboard is disconnected. Auto hide will not work properly on version 1.17 (on Windows 11 dev / beta preview) and needs to be disabled.

Stardock will not be issuing bug fixes at all for the DEV channel which is fair. If I am understanding correctly, and correct me if I am wrong, the beta channel version will receive some bug fixes but at a lower priority because the main focus will be on the release channel.

Reply #244 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting PhoenixRising1, reply 243


Quoting merdrich,
reply 242

1.16 is not playing nice with the latest iteration of Windows 11 on my Surface Pro 7, particularly when the keyboard is disconnected. In that case, Start11 doesn't work at all. I realize that it's often the case that apps don't work well with beta software (in this case on both sides), but it's worth a heads up to know there are problems ahead.



Start 11 is now on release 1.17. however there are still issues if you are using the beta / dev version. I believe what is causing you issues is the auto hide taskbar feature when the keyboard is disconnected. Auto hide will not work properly on version 1.17 (on Windows 11 dev / beta preview) and needs to be disabled.

Stardock will not be issuing bug fixes at all for the DEV channel which is fair. If I am understanding correctly, and correct me if I am wrong, the beta channel version will receive some bug fixes but at a lower priority because the main focus will be on the release channel.

This has nothing to do with beta versions of Windows. I'm using a Surface Pro 7 on stable Windows 11 and Start 11 1.17 and am still experiencing major stability issues related to touch that I've detailed in this thread. On version 1.16 touch was completely broken. On 1.17 it is highly unstable and causes explorer crashes.

Reply #245 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting mackid1993, reply 244

This has nothing to do with beta versions of Windows. I'm using a Surface Pro 7 on stable Windows 11 and Start 11 1.17 and am still experiencing major stability issues related to touch that I've detailed in this thread. On version 1.16 touch was completely broken. On 1.17 it is highly unstable and causes explorer crashes.

My mistake. I read heads up and problems ahead and immediately my mind went towards windows 11 beta.

Reply #246 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting mackid1993, reply 244


Quoting PhoenixRising1,
reply 243






Quoting merdrich,

reply 242


1.16 is not playing nice with the latest iteration of Windows 11 on my Surface Pro 7, particularly when the keyboard is disconnected. In that case, Start11 doesn't work at all. I realize that it's often the case that apps don't work well with beta software (in this case on both sides), but it's worth a heads up to know there are problems ahead.



Start 11 is now on release 1.17. however there are still issues if you are using the beta / dev version. I believe what is causing you issues is the auto hide taskbar feature when the keyboard is disconnected. Auto hide will not work properly on version 1.17 (on Windows 11 dev / beta preview) and needs to be disabled.

Stardock will not be issuing bug fixes at all for the DEV channel which is fair. If I am understanding correctly, and correct me if I am wrong, the beta channel version will receive some bug fixes but at a lower priority because the main focus will be on the release channel.



This has nothing to do with beta versions of Windows. I'm using a Surface Pro 7 on stable Windows 11 and Start 11 1.17 and am still experiencing major stability issues related to touch that I've detailed in this thread. On version 1.16 touch was completely broken. On 1.17 it is highly unstable and causes explorer crashes.

I would anticipate the next update should further resolve those issues.

The changes in 1.17 were more about making touch functional especially when you don't have the new taskbar features enabled.

Reply #247 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 238


Quoting Nylan1st,
reply 236






Quoting Nylan1st,

reply 18










Quoting Nylan1st,



reply 12




Taskbar issue already reported in previous Beta still occurs.

> Taskbar not displayed when pressing "windows key", just the Start Menu is showing up

https://youtu.be/rEeawz1qlaE

 




The issue is slightly different but not better. Now we can briefly see the taskbar like during 1ms....

https://youtu.be/rEJ9hYbtXVI




 

Issue still occurs with 1.17



This has been addressed for the 1.18 update.

Can't wait to get 1.18 then

Thank you guys

Reply #248 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 246


Quoting mackid1993,
reply 244






Quoting PhoenixRising1,

reply 243










Quoting merdrich,



reply 242




1.16 is not playing nice with the latest iteration of Windows 11 on my Surface Pro 7, particularly when the keyboard is disconnected. In that case, Start11 doesn't work at all. I realize that it's often the case that apps don't work well with beta software (in this case on both sides), but it's worth a heads up to know there are problems ahead.




Start 11 is now on release 1.17. however there are still issues if you are using the beta / dev version. I believe what is causing you issues is the auto hide taskbar feature when the keyboard is disconnected. Auto hide will not work properly on version 1.17 (on Windows 11 dev / beta preview) and needs to be disabled.

Stardock will not be issuing bug fixes at all for the DEV channel which is fair. If I am understanding correctly, and correct me if I am wrong, the beta channel version will receive some bug fixes but at a lower priority because the main focus will be on the release channel.




This has nothing to do with beta versions of Windows. I'm using a Surface Pro 7 on stable Windows 11 and Start 11 1.17 and am still experiencing major stability issues related to touch that I've detailed in this thread. On version 1.16 touch was completely broken. On 1.17 it is highly unstable and causes explorer crashes.



I would anticipate the next update should further resolve those issues.

The changes in 1.17 were more about making touch functional especially when you don't have the new taskbar features enabled.

 

That is really great to hear! Thanks for the update. Do you think the next build will be launching next week?

Reply #249 from Stardock Forums Top

Can we please have an option for pinned taskbar apps to open in a new tab(pinned apps should always be displayed on the taskbar)? With ungrouped icons, if I open Chrome for example from a pinned taskbar icon it opens the window but replaces the pinned icon.

Reply #250 from Stardock Forums Top

Hi Neil,

I'm using 1.17 now and it's great.
Small issue (1)... When "hidden icons" are shown...
1. clicking on empty taskbar (place marked) DOES NOT HIDE the "hidden icons" panel
2. clicking on desktop hides the panel, ok
3. clicking on any open program tile (on taskbar) hides the panel, ok
4. clicking on any "taskbar corner icon" hides the panel, ok

The issue is small and does not bother me much,
I'm just used to cancel/hide the panel this way.