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Why should an MS account be required to install W11?

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Why should an MS account be required to install W11?

I don't wish to link my use of the internet or my computer to MS.

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I was cruising the huge number of articles on W11, since it is gobbling up the tech news cycle at the moment and will for quite some time to come.

 

I found this opinion piece on Extreme Tech:  https://www.extremetech.com/computing/324134-i-will-never-use-a-microsoft-account-to-log-into-my-own-pc

 

I believe everyone should read it, and ask themselves just why Microsoft wants everyone to use an online login.

 

I also do not trust MS. They've earned just the opposite.

 

"The option to create a Windows login via an online account is great. The requirement to do so is an unacceptable intrusion into what’s supposed to be the user’s personal computer." - Joel Hruska

 

If that MS account requirement for W11 upgrade remains at time of release, even though I have an MS account, I'll be headed to Apple.

 

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Reply #26 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 26


Quoting DaveRI,
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Quoting DrJBHL,

reply 24


Found this for you, Carl.



That's a pretty good write-up, thanks Seth.  I had worm-holed around in Google a while earlier regarding the TPM and Secure Boot and found several bits and pieces, but nothing as thorough as that. 




Glad you found it useful, DaveRI. 👍

Looks like MS is backing down on its processor requirements since they can't explain why i7 Kaby Lake isn't good enough.

Reply #27 from WinCustomize Forums Top

That's nice, but, I have a laptop with an Intel i7 5500U (Brandwell-U) 2.4GHz dual Core, and 16GB of RAM, that's been running flawlessly (On Win 10, came loaded with Win 8.1) since I bought it, but yet it's not good enough, and it has TPM 2.0....hope they make big changes on the hardware end of this new OS....(In regards to Seth's post #24).

And to top it off, because of this Ludacris move by MS, sellers (on eBay) are marking up the price (Black Market) of a TPM chip, it's crazy!

 

 https://regardnews.com/windows-11-caused-tpm-2-0-to-go-to-the-black-market/

 

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Reply #28 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting don5318, reply 27

That's nice, but, I have a laptop with an Intel i7 5500U (Brandwell-U) 2.4GHz dual Core, and 16GB of RAM, that's been running flawlessly (On Win 10, came loaded with Win 8.1) since I bought it, but yet it's not good enough, and it has TPM 2.0....hope they make big changes on the hardware end of this new OS....(In regards to Seth's post #24).

The processor thing is independent of TPM 2.0, Don. I've read that their insistence on i8, and Ryzen 2nd generation has to do with chip architecture vulnerability - remember 'Spectre' and 'Meltdown'? Their "fix" caused significant cpu slowdowns.

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Reply #29 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 28


Quoting don5318,
reply 27

That's nice, but, I have a laptop with an Intel i7 5500U (Brandwell-U) 2.4GHz dual Core, and 16GB of RAM, that's been running flawlessly (On Win 10, came loaded with Win 8.1) since I bought it, but yet it's not good enough, and it has TPM 2.0....hope they make big changes on the hardware end of this new OS....(In regards to Seth's post #24).



The processor thing is independent of TPM 2.0, Don. I've read that their insistence on i8, and Ryzen 2nd generation has to do with chip architecture vulnerability - remember 'Spectre' and 'Meltdown'? Their "fix" caused significant cpu slowdowns.

I know  TPM is separate from the CPU, but not everyone can afford to just go out and buy an new pc, or laptop.

Sidenote, I was able to run an Insider Program Dev of Win 11 on said machine, cause for the time being, they are waving the hardware limitation during the Dev edition, I like the looks of Win 11, but it does not like Windowblinds, Start10, and especially Fences, I went through a continuous loop say (Fences Error message) Explorer didn't properly shut down, click close, it keeps popping up, I finally had to do a shut down, by holding down the power button, till it shut down, then I started up and went in and uninstalled all Stardock products, and things ran fine, so, Stardock has there work cut out, but, then, they may already be working on this. Win 11 did get rid of the "ribbon" on Explorer title bar, that's nice, you also (on Dev edition) can't change the taskbar, you can't stretch it, or move it to the right, left, or top, just bottom only, this may change on the final version, so there are some changes. |-)  

Reply #30 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 24


Quoting c242,
reply 17

As a side note, what I don't understand: My machine ist not capable of running 11 (yet) but I can run it on Hyper-V as a virtual machine on the very same laptop. :D



Found this for you, Carl.

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-fix-the-windows-11-installation-error-enabling-tpm-and-secure-boot/?ftag=CAD3c77551&bhid=22934121128163694730898056497463&mid=13421239&cid=534432969



Hi been there, done that. ;-) Nevertheless a warm thank You. :-) To be clear, I love a good argument, I am not seeking any bad blood. :-) 

Reply #31 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting don5318, reply 27

I have a laptop with an Intel i7 5500U

Quoting don5318, reply 29

I was able to run an Insider Program Dev of Win 11 on said machine

I'm really curious.  How well did it run in general as compared to Win10 - about the same, little faster, little slower?  Intel tells me that's a 5th generation running @ 2.4/3.0ghz.

Reply #32 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting DaveRI, reply 31


Quoting don5318,
reply 27

I have a laptop with an Intel i7 5500U




Quoting don5318,
reply 29

I was able to run an Insider Program Dev of Win 11 on said machine



I'm really curious.  How well did it run in general as compared to Win10 - about the same, little faster, little slower?  Intel tells me that's a 5th generation running @ 2.4/3.0ghz.

Yes Dave, it's a 5th Gen Intel CPU, and after I unloaded the Stardock apps, it ran good, about the same as my Win 10 OS, I'm sure performance would have been better on an 8th Gen Intel, but not having one to run on, I can't say for sure, I mean, I do have an 8th Gen Intel, but I'm not ready to add Dev Win 11 on my main system. However, I did a clean install back to Win 10, I'm gonna retry the Insider Program Dev Win 11, and see what happens.

Reply #33 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting don5318, reply 32

it ran good, about the same as my Win 10 OS,

Thanks, that's what I was wondering, how well an older processor might deal with it.  It's hard to tell sometimes. ;)  

Reply #34 from WinCustomize Forums Top

The deal breaker for me would be the taskbar color. It has to be black with no transparency. And for those of you that are curious, I don't use Windowblinds. 

Reply #35 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Guess I won't be installing Windows 11 here: :-(

Reply #36 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Says I'm OK for 11 

Reply #37 from WinCustomize Forums Top

My Intel NUC 8th Gen i5, is good to go.

However, I am running the Dev edition (Windows Insider Program) of Win 11 on my 5th Gen i7 laptop, it meets all min requirements, with the exception of the CPU, but, in the Dev edition of Win 11, Microsoft is making exceptions to the min requirements. 

Reply #38 from WinCustomize Forums Top

so I ran the other check and it's OK for 11 

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Reply #39 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting kona0197, reply 11

Can anyone confirm what I have heard that Windows 11 will only allow apps from the Microsoft app store? I have quite a few old programs and games I like to use, be a shame if MS said you can only install apps from the store. If it's true I guess a lot of people can't use Firefox or Chrome on 11. 


What you heard is wrong.  I have Win11 running on two old PCs, one upgrade, one clean install and on both, I have no problem installing apps NOT from the MS Store.

Same is true of other Browsers.  I am using FireFox and Opera without any issues.

Reply #40 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting don5318, reply 29


Quoting DrJBHL,
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Quoting don5318,

reply 27

cause for the time being, they are waving the hardware limitation during the Dev edition, I |-)  

NOT been my experience.  I am running on old Win10 Insider Dev desktop and it will not Upgrade to Win11 or clean install Win11 because it fails the Secure Boot and TPM checks.  While SOME machine are getting upgraded, the MS claim that Win10 Insider Dev machine will be able to install Win11 is not true in general.

Reply #41 from WinCustomize Forums Top

i have watched quite a few You Tube channels regarding the installation of Windows 11 and while Microsoft really really REALLY want you to use a Microsoft account during the install, It's actually not necessary. You can create an offline account and continue without signing in. But as i understand it you do need to sign into a Microsoft account in order to personalise the OS once the install is finished. As these Windows 11 builds are all currently either Dev or Beta/Preview builds i would suspect that once the OS hits the RTM stage that limitation will probably/Possibly? be removed as well. Until then just create the offline account and live without being able to personalise or login with an MS account and tinker away. Have fun B)