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Suites - which apps to support

Suites - which apps to support

For a suite to be useful, it needs to support the applications people use.

But this also has to be carefully balanced -- every application that is skinned adds time and effort to the project. So what do you think would be the list of core apps that need to be skinned for something to be complete for the mainstream user?

Here's what I would pick:

 IconPackager for the icons

 CursorXP for the cursors.

 WindowBlinds for the GUI

 DesktopX for the desktop

 ObjectBar for the bars and menus

Windows Media Player for the MP3 player (or Winamp)

Maybe Trillian but probably not (I use MSN now).

 And WinStyles to put it all together.

What apps do you think really need to be skinned for a complete suite?

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Reply #26 Top
WindowBlinds (Important)
IconPackager (Important)
CursorXP (Important)
Logon (Important)
Wallpaper (Important)
DesktopX (I can do it myself, but if it comes with the suite, Welcome aboard)
SysMetrix (Important)
Rainlendar (Important)
WinAmp or WMP(Important)
Trillian (Important!!!!!!!!! )
WinStyles. (I can do it myself)
ObjectDock (I think you can use some WindowBlinds graphics to do the background. And the icons; unpack some from the Iconpackager theme and that's it! But it would be nice to have a original theme, like Pix OS or Abracadabra.)
Sorry, I couldn't edit my post, I had to post again! I added the logon. I use it a lot!
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Reply #27 Top
Iconpackager. Old Crab still uses the "Old Classic" interface. *Raspberries to all the new-fangled stuff*. >
Reply #29 Top
Windowblinds
CursorXP
DesktopX
Logon
WMP
Winamp
Iconpackager
Objectdock
Trillian
Sysmetrix (occasionally)
Rainlendar (occasionally)

and of course, Winstyles
Reply #30 Top
Windowblinds
CursorXP
Logon
Icon packager
Wallpaper
Reply #31 Top
From the results so far, I'd say the minimum people expect is WindowBlinds, CursorXP, IconPackager and Wallpaper. This makes a lot of sense to me. All the extras would be better placed as free downloads or very cheap optional extras when purchasing. It's all very well spending a couple of weeks extra making a Trillian skin, for example, but if only 1 in 4 of the people who buy the suite are ever going use it there's little point in making it a part of the suite.
Reply #32 Top
I like a suite to have.....

Windowblinds
IconPackager
Cursor XP
Wall
Winamp
Raindlander
Sysmetrix




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Reply #33 Top
#31 by JourneyMan grayhaze - 7/19/2003 5:26:55 AM It's all very well spending a couple of weeks extra making a Trillian skin, for example, but if only 1 in 4 of the people who buy the suite are ever going use it there's little point in making it a part of the suite.


With all due respect, if you are going into business and you think one in four of your customers are always wrong you are in for a rude awakening.

It would seem you have forgotten or disregarded the holy grail of business… the customer is always right. This statement is mathematically unsound as well ....look at that number, would you throw away 2,500 out of 10,000?

I would consider one in four ….a make or break condition.


Reply #34 Top
With all due respect anthony, don't take someone's comments out of context and then criticize.

All the extras would be better placed as free downloads or very cheap optional extras when purchasing. It's all very well spending a couple of weeks extra making a Trillian skin, for example, but if only 1 in 4 of the people who buy the suite are ever going use it there's little point in making it a part of the suite.


I was therefore saying that it makes more sense to make that skin a free download to accompany the paid-for suite containing the basic requirements for a desktop facelift. I don't think that would cause you to lose 2500 sales out of 10000, as the majority of people have already said that they would pay for the WindowBlinds skin, IconPackager theme, etc.

Also, the '1 in 4' was really just for illustrative purposes. The actual number of people with a particular third-party application that has a skin for it in a suite is hard to guess. I don't think anyone would disagree that the central skin of the suite, and arguably the most important to the end-user, is the WindowBlinds skin.
Reply #35 Top
I guess my real point is that it makes sense to only include those applications which the majority of users will have in common. You're then not creating extra unnessesary work for the initial release of the suite, as those extra skins can be produced at a later date as demand calls for them, and can put a little more focus into producing those skins which 'everyone' who buys the suite are likely to be using.

It would also cut down on extra 'bloat' for the release, and those users who are on slow internet connections wouldn't have to spend time downloading skins for applications they have no intention of using.
Reply #36 Top
I add my vote for winamp/WMP, Rainlendar and sysmetrix for sure. I would also add NS/WS, ColorPad, Beatnik, Quicknotes.



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Reply #37 Top
Windowblinds 4
IconPackager
CursorXP
LoginStudio

Wallpappers, while nice, I rarely use the supllied wall, I prefer to find my own.
Trillian, I'll use it if it is there, else I'll use MirandaIM and have WB do the skinning.
Mp3 player...I don't care - I use Foobar .

All other app I'd consider a bonus but only use them if I plan on showing off (or they happen to be particularly usable.
Reply #38 Top

Here is the result from all answers we've got so far

IconPackager 25
CursorXP 21
WindowBlinds 28
DesktopX 9
ObjectBar 6
Windows Media Player 14
Trillian 10
Logon 14
Wallpaper 21
Winamp 13
sysmetrix 14
rainlendar 8
Yahoo 1
MMjukebox 1
Icq 3
Winstep 3
ObjectDock 3
WinStyles 5
LiteStep 2
ColorPad 1
Beatnik 1
Quicknotes 1

Reply #39 Top
WindowBlinds, Hoverdesk and IconPackager is all i need.
In Hoverdesk i have my sysmeter, my clock, my notes and my amp
included and i can have zooming icons.
Reply #40 Top
It's a tough choice. I'll have to get back to you on that.



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Reply #41 Top
Cursor XP

Log on studio

WMPlayer
Reply #42 Top
pretty wild that Iconpacker and CursorXP reside higher than Winblinds on the apps to skin list

Reply #43 Top
I dont think the list is in order WindowsBlinds has 28, IP has 25, and CXP has 21.
Reply #44 Top
IconPackager
CursorXP
Windowblinds
Logon
Wallpaper

Nothing else matters...
Reply #45 Top
yeah, I was kind of pointing out that IP and CurXP are something people feel are paramount to a complete skin, kind of
Reply #46 Top
Opps! I forgot - Wallpaper.

Wallpaper.
Reply #47 Top
For me, I'd like:
WindowBlinds
Logon
CursorXP
IconPackager
Trillian and
ObjectDock, maybe, if you have the time, Sir.
Reply #48 Top
WB first & most important.
CXP definatly
IP
Wallpaper to suit

Personally I like to change my Beatnik clock at the same time but it looks like I'm one of very few.




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Reply #49 Top
Windowblinds
Cursor XP
Icon Packager
WMP
Sysmetrix
Wallpaper
Rainlendar
Logon Studio - I don't use it but I'm thinking of trying it soon.
Winstyles - would also be nice, but since it's easy enough to put the suite together myself,it's not really necessary.
Reply #50 Top
My vote:

Windowblinds
Wallpaper
Winstep
Iconpackage
Sysmetrix
CursorXP
WMP

Trillian is a nice to have also