It's been 12 years since there was any decent political discussion here.  Was fun & educational while it lasted but all the people I enjoyed debating (and enjoyed watching debate) evaporated after W's re-election. 

The ones I didn't enjoy debating left, too, though, so there's that.   

 Its fairly interesting to see how our views have changed over that time. I remember having some different views than I do today... its not that I changed my beliefs to a large degree, I just that I think some things and world events worked out poorly, and its fairly easy to do that kind of thing given how hindsight is always 20/20. So I can generally change my mind if I think a politician of either party shoveled a steaming load of horse crap on us. Most of George W Bush's administration  is one of those things that changed. At first I thought his ideas were good ones, especially with the wars, but as time passed, I came to believe that it was botched severely by bureaucrats who sat in air conditioned offices telling sweaty, dirty soldiers how to "send Afghan girls to school," become painters and electricians when they were actually trained as warriors, not Captain Americas seeking to win hearts and minds of people who hate our guts. The reality of the Afghan and Iraq war should have been much different. Destroy the enemy with as much violence on the ground as possible, declare victory, and go home. Bush was a disaster not only in the wars, but Justice Roberts was a total piece of crap. Obamacare should actually be called "Robertscare after Justice Roberts found a way to make the law work... yeah, he actually said that. We got Alito thank god, but that was only after a brutal backlash against Bush's decision to appoint his own liberal attorney Harriet Myers, a person Harry Reid couldn't say enough kind things about. Anyhow... enough ranting for now

We need a big beautiful wall... and we have to get MS 13 the hell out of our country.

A brief rebuttal:

Bill Kristol describes himself.

We are all being drained by the swamp.

The media is being played by their own wishful thinking and their sources.

 

I think Dimmowits are using the tactic of keeping something out there the way Republicans kept Benghazi alive even though there was no real smoking gun. They must feel that they were damaged by the cloud even though no one was impeached or driven from office. So, they went and built a cloud of their own that Trump is now somehow an agent of the Russian Government and those of us who voted for Trump are now communists and comrades. Its gonna take some time for me to get used to being called comrade by liberals who have espoused communist and socialist beliefs for as long as I can remember.

They believe the rapture is nigh.  That they are about to force Trump from office.  Based on no evidence of wrongdoing whatsoever.

It's already blown up in their faces, they just can't see, smell or feel it - the intellectual propafol they've been mainlining is too powerful.

The TRCCT

Trump Russia Collusion Conspiracy Theory.

I am a quote-unquote "liberal" and I'm pretty nice. One of the reasons you don't have people testifying and speaking on the record is some who did that were prosecuted and jailed during Obama's 2 terms.

Who do you think of when you look at this picture?

It's a money grab. When has anyone of any political persuasion ever seen the number of politicians, that never care about anything that wasn't making them money, so involved in anything since  Climate Change? I'll tell you. It's the perfect crime. They can suck billions of dollars of taxpayer money over years without ever producing any evidence of any scheme working. Who is going to be around in 100 years to hold them to the .2% of 1 degree change in temperature? They smell blood in the water, and the liberal/progressive lemmings are jumping in feet first. The climate changed before man, and will after man is gone. Yes, let's do try and keep the planet clean. That's sound thinking, but CO2? A gas of life for plants on earth (no plants, then no animals). We aren't even close to the highest levels of CO2 on this planet has seen.

But tornados, hurricanes, and wildfires their killing more and more each year, right? Wrong, yes more people are affected because there are more people. The 1970 US census have the US population at 203,392,031, that's 120+ million less people than today. So where are these people at? Fly over country where the tornado's are. The southern and east coasts where hurricanes are, and dryer areas of California where wildfires occur.

You better bet that if solar ever becomes dominate as a power source, there will be a sun tax. They try to get you in by saying how you can sell excess power back to the utilities (some places are all ready blocking this) an that is true, now. They will find some way to get you to pay a monthly fee for it. Remember when internet was $19 a month (or less Juno), sure it was dial-up broad band was $25. Today I pay $70 for cable internet, and those companies are making money hand over fist. They could charge $25 and still make money. The Electric companies won't let you off the hook either n matter what natural resource is used.

If liberals want to feel good about themselves, give up your car and electrical devices, and plant a tree. It will do much more than giving money to the government.

Could the liberals have Stockholm syndrome?

Would this explain their views on terrorists?