Common Faction Standard

Let's continue Gauntlet's work

Most of the factions on Steam are less than perfect cosmetically: the text is halting or ridden with typographical errors, the narratives sometimes make no sense, images are often undesirable or generic or cut out very poorly (VERY poorly), and you cannot add new colors or a shipset (yet). The few factions on Nexus are generally better, and I know there are some others floating around (I raided the minor race contest winners). However, as I have written elsewhere, it would be very difficult to have a 100 faction game with 100 believable factions, and Stardock doesn't have the time or resources to crank out that many.

To make it easy to find the most 'finished' factions, I propose a voluntary Common Faction Standard (or the Gauntlet Standard). A faction mod labelled "CFS" has, by definition, certain desirable characteristics based on Gauntlet's example. Each faction:

  • Is written in English (other language versions should be encouraged)
  • Has properly edited, legible, logical, typo-free text.
  • Has clear, high-resolution, well-edited graphics that look realistic (not cartoony)... video would be great
  • Is not a joke, a political jag, an excuse to look at half-naked ladies, or anything other than a serious attempt to expand the gaming experience
  • Is not a faction that has already been done in GalCiv (no Korx... that can be a separate mod)
  • Does not use a faction picture from the original game
  • Does not use a logo for one of the previously established factions, including old factions not yet added to the game (damn Korath logo...)
  • Has a complete shipset consisting of all-new ships, not just a pastiche of other shipsets (starbases can be generic)
    • Unless there is a good reason not to, e.g., Gauntlet's three insect clans that use the same ship set, renegade Iconians would likely use Iconian ships, etc.
  • Is properly credited and has the appropriate permissions (permission of original author if not in public domain, permission of artist if possible, permission of ship designers)
  • Can be used without any other mods (but the mod itself may include modded planets or tech trees or what have you).
    • EXCEPTION: you could require Gauntlet's Race Mod, since it is the prototype
  • (Optional) Ideally, each faction would have its own UI and race color scheme (using the original colors, not the expanded palate mod
I don't propose a 'Faction Police,' this would be entirely voluntary. Not every modded faction has to be CFS, and CFS does not guarantee that the faction will be any good. What it does guarantee is that the author tried to make a faction that can be 'dropped' into your game like Gauntlet's, without any editing or hotwiring other mods or similar complications, and it will look almost as good as the original factions. That is what we all want, right?
 
So, if your faction fits this description, please consider describing it as CFS, or 'near-CFS' (if it violates one or two of the above conditions) to let users know it is more than just a .faction file.

If anyone is interested in trying to meet this standard (or if they just need assistance with factions) I am more than willing to help with editing text and graphics. There is SOMEONE on here who has been accumulating ship sets from Steam who might also be able to help (please?). Gauntlet has videos on ship design, and there are other resources available here and on the wiki. If every modder made just ONE faction at the CFS standard, we would have dozens of high-quality new factions to play with!

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Check out my factions out there, most are unique w/ background/portrait/icon (some duplicates)  There may be some typographical errors, sorry no great way to edit text, spell or, grammar check in game.  Let me know if you'd like more information  (no naked ladies although some female characters).

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Quoting Seilore, reply 1

Check out my factions out there, most are unique w/ background/portrait/icon (some duplicates)  There may be some typographical errors, sorry no great way to edit text, spell or, grammar check in game.  Let me know if you'd like more information  (no naked ladies although some female characters).

Seilore, I have almost all of your factions, and I was specifically thinking of them for CFS. I agree that your work is well above the usual standard for Steam, and they don't have many typos or any major inconsistencies (sometimes the abilities and traits don't match the description on other people's factions). I wholly agree that the interface is really quite difficult to use, and typographical, grammar, and spelling errors are all very hard to see, much less fix!

I was going to ask you if we could cooperate on CFSing your factions specifically (I don't really care about the credit, just the factions). YI [edit I] have modified them for myself: pictures are replaced, some stats are twiddled, and I rewrote some of the text (I tried not to change the 'feel' of the factions). Regardless of who does it, I would love to see your factions at the "CFS" standard. They are old friends by now.

BTW: I have been slowly working on a Dolph shipset because I love the Dolph (that name makes me giggle). I imagine their ships should look kind of unsophisticated and cobbled together (ala the Snathi). I have not one but two possible graphics for the Mirrion Symphony, and I'd like to get your opinion on them at some point.

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Quoting General, reply 2

I was going to ask you if we could cooperate on CFSing your factions specifically (I don't really care about the credit, just the factions). YI [edit I] have modified them for myself: pictures are replaced, some stats are twiddled, and I rewrote some of the text (I tried not to change the 'feel' of the factions). Regardless of who does it, I would love to see your factions at the "CFS" standard. They are old friends by now.

BTW: I have been slowly working on a Dolph shipset because I love the Dolph (that name makes me giggle). I imagine their ships should look kind of unsophisticated and cobbled together (ala the Snathi). I have not one but two possible graphics for the Mirrion Symphony, and I'd like to get your opinion on them at some point.

Sounds good to me these days I've been spending most of my time playing the game versus creating new faction, (waiting for the expansion to come out, then I will create a few new using the new abilities ect...)  As far as ships I'm sure we can figure something out.  Feel free to send me a private message with your ideas ect...

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They need to add a lot of features to the factions in Stardock before this comes around as it's too much of a pain for nexus.

 

 

 

 

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This game reeeeeaally needs to have a way to upload factions with complete shipsets, etc onto steam workshop. That is something I'm hoping to see when Crusade releases.

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I love the factions on Nexus. The 'adult' factions for KRBMS are an absolute MUST for me. Nothing better than a sexy alien threatening me...(lol)

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Quoting Syrkres, reply 4

They need to add a lot of features to the factions in Stardock before this comes around as it's too much of a pain for nexus.

I am not sure I agree about Nexus. That site has been pretty easy for me to use, and most of the factions on there just drag-and-drop into your Mod folder and your Designs folder (the latter annoying). Certainly NOT as easy as Steam, though, if that is what you meant.

I do agree (if I interpret you correctly) that you shouldn't have to go to a third-party site and mess with your mods folder when other games allow you to post full mods on Steam and cleanly download them without shuffling files around.

 

Quoting TheFunMachine, reply 5

This game reeeeeaally needs to have a way to upload factions with complete shipsets, etc onto steam workshop. That is something I'm hoping to see when Crusade releases.

Frogboy said this is something they want to do; I'm not sure if it is a Crusade thing, since it affects the whole game. Frogboy said that compromises were made so that you could use your new ships and factions from Steam without restarting the game. When that was explained, it sounded like it was not Stardock's preference to do it that way, so maybe they tried to do more and had technical or political problems.

 

Quoting Larsenex, reply 6

I love the factions on Nexus. The 'adult' factions for KRBMS are an absolute MUST for me. Nothing better than a sexy alien threatening me...(lol)

That is great, I'm glad they have fans! We are probably looking for different things in our factions. I don't mind the sexy pictures, but it messes with my suspension of disbelief to see the head of an interstellar empire mostly naked and strutting it all for me, no matter how hot. Besides, there is a whole internet of real porn, which I find much more satisfying. But, as they say, different strokes for different folks. :)

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New Year's update: with the recent announcement that Crusade will include new and better tools for making factions, and the apparent intention to make these work on Steam, I do not intend to work on this issue now. Once Crusade is released, we can all evaluate the need for a standard such as this. With any luck, there will be no need at all!

In the mean time, I suggest we all get our ship sets ready! :)

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Just want to say... thank you for thinking of me and the so-called "Gauntlet standard" I take that as a very high compliment.

 

Thanks a lot... and a standard is a good idea, but getting so many people to apply/abide isn't very likely to happen... when the expansion comes, it might become possible for you to cultivate your own "collection" linking people to other people's races. I think a few dedicated people can do a much better job finding the good material and linking, and then advertising those collections, rather than waiting for volunteers.

Just my thought. Thanks again. 

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Quoting Gauntlet03, reply 9

Just want to say... thank you for thinking of me and the so-called "Gauntlet standard" I take that as a very high compliment.

Thoroughly deserved. You added a huge amount of very high-quality content, including a backstory (for free)! I don't expect anyone else to put the time, energy, creativity, and skill into their factions that you have, and I agree with others that Stardock should be kicking you some bigtime perks for expanding their game so effectively. I think the best way for us to thank you is to continue your work, maybe give you some free factions to play with!

 

Quoting Gauntlet03, reply 9

getting so many people to apply/abide isn't very likely to happen...

You are right. But we only need a few. I'm not expecting us to get to 100 factions. However, 50 factions is doable (we are maybe halfway there)... and if the other 50 aren't up to the standard, it won't hurt to modify some of them to unofficially 'borrow' material from the more complete sets for your game.

 

Quoting Gauntlet03, reply 9

it might become possible for you to cultivate your own "collection" linking people to other people's races.

Again, a worthwhile idea. And standards might be a good way to talk about it, even without a named standard. As you said, a collection can be curated by the collector to ensure that the factions all fit whatever standard they feel appropriate, and they can just announce the standards they are following (e.g., "all of these factions have original, new ship sets").

I hope some of these collections will be collaborative, too. I am working on ship sets for one of my favorite authors on Steam. If we can get even five of his/ her factions going somewhere near the Gauntlet standard, I think that would go a long way toward that 50 (or couple dozen, or whatever) that will give the galaxy a greater sense of diversity!

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Good points all round. Again thank you... and I'm still working... slowly... at making more shipsets!

 

The next release will have at least 2.... 2/3rd done one and 1/3rd done the other.

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Quoting Gauntlet03, reply 11

The next release will have at least 2.... 2/3rd done one and 1/3rd done the other.

You are as much of a tease as Stardock! I still haven't seen the new one yet, so I'm super-excited!

 

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Well.. my last youtube showed one of them... the smooth/bug-ish robot ships (Geth/Mass Effect style) and the other one I'm working on is more directly insect inspired, but "insects that build spaceships" not "insect space ships".

 

The new set, also, if successful, may become a replacement for the Kirani Hierarchy set, as that is one of the oldest unmodified sets and kinda looks dated compared to some of my newer work.

 

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Quoting Gauntlet03, reply 13

The new set, also, if successful, may become a replacement for the Kirani Hierarchy set, as that is one of the oldest unmodified sets and kinda looks dated compared to some of my newer work.

I am working on a set for a blind race. It is a challenge to minimize lights and windows, and make a ship that might "feel" like the right shape rather than look it.

If I may plead with the artist: I wish you would make a new set, and let the Kirani keep their "imperfect" ships. I know what it is like to look back on a work as unfinished (kinda like George Lucas and the Special Editions), but all of your old sets are 'good enough.' Many of us want MORE ship sets, even if they aren't the most perfect they can be, and in my humble opinion, your skills would be best used making new factions and ship styles. Or maybe you could use new codes so we can keep the shipset for use with other factions. It would beat having ANOTHER faction using the preprogrammed ship styles!

Anyway, as the artist, it is of course your decision. I'm sure it is a huge investment to do these sets, and I am sure we will all appreciate whatever you choose to do.

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I think you misunderstood me a bit. I AM creating a new set from scratch with its own feel... I may then apply it to the KR faction, and the KR set will get relegated to a minor race faction (like I did with RN and THK).

 

So both sets would still be available for custom races/etc. What you might not get is a new faction made by me. I'm having trouble caring about more factions, since in my universe there are only about 8 that matter.

But hey, if I can find a decent pic for this set, it'll be its own faction. I just haven't found what I want yet.

 

Again, look at what I did with RN and THK, you can still use the RN even though I basically sun-setted it. This time its KR and HVR (new set) and notably they are definitely distinct styles (more so than RN to THK).

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Gauntlet: thank you for the clarification. And, much as I love your factions, I really do love the ship styles and I'd be ok with just getting those too. I'm just happy you are still expanding the mod!

Quoting Gauntlet03, reply 15

and the KR set will get relegated to a minor race faction (like I did with RN and THK).

Dang it, now I will have to go and modify your minors again (some logos overlap with the original minors, and I use one pic for a major race)! Oh well, the price I pay for having more minors... :)

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Just stop using the original minors.  XD

 

PS: Found a good pic, you get a full new race... just gotta finish the new robots Huge hulls and shipyard. 

 

Oh hey... do you like the whole... Minors have a survey ship and occasionally gain more than one planet because they find colony ships via events? 

No one has bothered to give me feedback on that lol... sometimes I find the Pirates have even gotten a few planets up and going!

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I don't have the pirates or mercenaries parts of the GRM running (although I think the GRM models have replaced all the pirate models and the bazaar anyway). I enjoyed the discovery of a multiplanet minor in one game, but I tend to have so many majors relative to minors (50 vs. what, 16?) that I don't see much of the minors. So, I enjoyed it a lot, and I like having the option for a sort of 'middle power' that is slightly stronger than a minor, but slightly weaker than the Korx. ;)

You can see why I use all the minors I can get. Was considering a minor pack, but you infected me with the shipset bug, and unlike some people I can't afford to pawn off a shipset on a minor faction. :)

Seriously, though, thank you for the new race. I hope to have a few of my own up as soon as I redo them all for Crusade. Jeez I wish it would get here already so I can re-do all the .xml files again and play my game!

 

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You can change the amount of minors that get placed in GameSetupDefs.xml. This file only controls minor and pirate placement. FYI is max of 12 minors on Immense - Insane on abundant. My Star Trek Minors mod increased this to 36.

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Quoting Horemvore, reply 19

You can change the amount of minors that get placed in GameSetupDefs.xml. This file only controls minor and pirate placement. FYI is max of 12 minors on Immense - Insane on abundant. My Star Trek Minors mod increased this to 36.

Yeah, problem is, I only have about 20 minors from between Gauntlet and vanilla. I plan to add back in the old minors, which might be enough.