[2.0.1] Frozen Realm balance

I can build Axeman with CR 11 moves 2 hp 17 which costs me 1 logistic OR white wolf which comes in group of 3 CR 16 moves 4 hp 66! costing no logistic. Is that bug or something? Both are produced in 3 turns. Who could possibly pick Axeman?

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your comparing a default unit against a unit that requires a additional building and is unique to the faction. Additionally wolves cannot wield any weapon so have limited damage. Also there is some trade off of power between single vs multi dude units. A multi dude unit loses power as it becomes more injured. A single dude unit will do full damage no matter its hp. Given that the wolves cant wield weapons this can mean quite a bit if you don't have healing. Also while the unit build costs are close the wolf is more expensive by a small amount. Granted if your production is high you wont notice the difference. Zero logistics is also relatively balanced given that your logistics is entirely tied to your number of cities when playing frozen. Early on in a game your logistics will be quite limited and your starting units are exceptionally weak. Some tiny maps you will never have the cities to match other sovereigns logistics.

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This is good feedback though.

In our next update, we have changed this unit so that you have to have a horse resource to build it too (it's probably best not to think too deeply what the horse is for).

 

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Also remember the special abilities each unit has.  The abilities of the axeman in relation to the wolf may balance out the hp deficiency.

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About weapons, I do have 3 cities one of them level 9 and fairly strong army yet I can`t craft any weapons yet

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Quoting A1exej, reply 5

About weapons, I do have 3 cities one of them level 9 and fairly strong army yet I can`t craft any weapons yet

Do you have a lack of recipes or a lack of crafting materials?

 

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Recipes yes, wouldn`t post it if it was about materials :) and yes I do have libraries, scribes and jewelers built in all cities but bows are only weapons I can make. Guess I was unlucky on recipes

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Quoting A1exej, reply 7

Recipes yes, wouldn`t post it if it was about materials :) and yes I do have libraries, scribes and jewelers built in all cities but bows are only weapons I can make. Guess I was unlucky on recipes

 

You can also get more recipes via the minor factions. Once you get one/them to ally with you, that is one of the things you can ask for sometimes.

Also check your sovereign tree to see if there is anything in there you can work towards to get more recipes. There are for some sovereigns, don't think they all have that though.

I believe the main thing locking you down on weapons though is your champion(s). Basically whichever champions you get unlock upgraded weapons for that champion type. Are you still using just the original champion? If so, you can get more via allying with minor factions (1 champion per), finding the quest on the map for a new champion (will be a statue of a champion), and also some sovereigns have getting another champion as part of their skill tree.

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I am allied with imperium for many turns, will try to ask for recipes then. Also I have Silindros the Avenger level 10 in my ranks.