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The coming AI apocalypse

The coming AI apocalypse

I think long before global climate change matters one way or the other that the fate of humanity will be determined by how we make use of strong AI.

In the near term (next 5 to 10 years) we’re going to see a huge swath of jobs disappear.  This past week Panera bread added a kiosk to let me order my food.  Wendy’s and McDonalds are already heading that way too. 

Transportation is next.  My Tesla Model X with auto-pilot is on the way. I should have it in the next month or so and it won’t be long before a lot of transportation jobs are simply eliminated as machines start taking care of moving stuff from point A to point B.  They don’t have to be perfect at it, just better than us which is a pretty low bar.

I often hear about the demand to have a basic allowance provided by the government in order to prevent the masses from rising up.  But even there, they’re not thinking far enough.  Long before there are unemployment riots there will be security bots that the upcoming uber-rich will be able to afford to protect their property.

My question to you guys is this, how do you see this going?

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Reply #51 Top

The real problem with robotic hookers is that pretty girls would actually have to work their way through college, instead of "working" through it.
End of quote

 

To get a degree in...

 

Wait for it...

 

Gender Studies!

Reply #52 Top

Somehow I don't think many of the women stripping through college are wasting their time getting a degree in gender studies.  They'd need to be too dumb for college to start with if they could still convince themselves of the value in it while practicing it's ideological destruction by wrapping losers around their fingers and milking them of every dime they've got in our great white patriarchy...

Reply #53 Top

Seriously what would the difference be between a blow up doll and a robot.

Reply #54 Top

Well, I've never been able to grasp the attraction to any of that stuff, but I imagine that for anyone who'd do a rubber doll to start with, one that talked back and whatnot is either a serious detraction, or a pretty big plus, depending on how royally screwed in the head they are.

Reply #55 Top

Quoting psychoak, reply 50

The real problem with robotic hookers is that pretty girls would actually have to work their way through college, instead of "working" through it.
End of psychoak's quote

Yup, the academic staff would have to give real grades...  in the absence of a bit of 'fleshy encouragement' to stamp their papers with an A+.

Same would go with college football players, etc... they'd get true grades that'd show 'em up for the meatheads alot of 'em really are. :grin:

See, this proves my point that AI should not be developed to take the place of human activities.  Just look at all the problems it would cause.  You'd have hookers and strippers without college degrees to fall back on when 'the body' gets too old or worn out.... and you'd have former college football stars... er, meatheads becoming senators and the like, politicians without an education or qualifications.

Oh wait!  Former college football stars have done.... are already doing that. :grin:

 

 

BTW, no offense to former football stars was intended... and NONE should be taken. ;P

Reply #56 Top

Quoting admiralWillyWilber, reply 53

Seriously what would the difference be between a blow up doll and a robot.
End of admiralWillyWilber's quote

Seriously!  Have you seen what's inside a Terminator? 

Besides, I doubt too many men would wanna 'engage' with something that looked anything like Arnie. :-" :grin: ;P

As for the blow-up doll, I don't see the fascination there, either.  I'd always worry about getting too vigourous, puncturing it, and it flying out the window with me still firmly 'attached'.

:rofl:

Reply #57 Top

50 years from now, starkers' posts will be used as the training set for the dirty old man AI  :grin:

Reply #58 Top

I've discussed this in several of my blogs here.  Try the one on a general solution to poverty (33K hits and 204 mostly intelligent and serious responses).  Or look back a few years to the blog I did on a guaranteed fixed dividend here in the U.S., closely paralleling the Swiss proposal. (The Only Real Solution - November, 2008) http://philosborn.joeuser.com/article/329574/The_Only_Real_Solution

This keeps displaying in Chines饿 

Reply #59 Top

Quoting hedetet, reply 57

50 years from now, starkers' posts will be used as the training set for the dirty old man AI  :grin:
End of hedetet's quote

Hehe, I wonder if they use the same old raincoats to open up and 'flash' unsuspecting women... female AI.

And what would the 'offensive member' look like... a bolt or screw, which would somehow seem appropriate; something like a dildo; or facsimiles of the real thing, using former porn stars thingwybobs as models.  I say former stars cos by then AI would have taken over that industry as well.... cos why should humans have all the fun.  I mean, being sentient and all, they'd want 'sentient' rights, lurks and perks, wouldn't they.

:grin:

Reply #60 Top

See Comment #58, which somehow got mangled - no doubt an evil AI..


Ahem.   I've written two major blogs that got into this issue:

One recently on a general solution to poverty worldwide, in which I proposed a fairly small global dividend, an equal amount to every human on the planet, just to equalize the books on social justice and to keep a billion people from starving and give them some basic working capital to start producing. $500~$1000 annually per person everywhere.

One on an equal lump sum payment to every U.S. citizen to offset the losses to the lower end of the income scale due to massive predation by crooks who were profiting at the high end.

Hopeless people who are now artificially excluded from much of the market due to predatory political/economic/military policy will not be any happier when their efforts to becoming self-supporting are further undercut by robots taking over all the drudge jobs...  Unless they see that it will actually profit them personally.

Right?  So the Swiss referendum idea was pretty close to the mark - leaving some fairly minor questions* as to implementation unresolved.  It could work nationally or internationally, but long-term best worldwide.  If everyone at least has the bare basics guaranteed by a national or world dividend (think Alaska), then those people who were previously hopeless would have a starting point to building a life.

It's either that or a likely world war, with robots on all sides.  Guess who will survive?

*There was the issue in the Swiss deal as to whether everyone got exactly the same amount.  I say YES, because one of the great benefits of a flat dividend is that it takes much of the politics out of the  picture.  You're not voting to advantage your groups against everyone else.  Instead, the only vote - direct or via some representative process - would be on the decision as to the raw size of the dividend, and that should be subject to rational analysis, with some disagreement of course.  But I and probably most people would be happy to see a dividend that didn't kill the golden goose. 

Let the robots and their wealthy corporate owners take all the jobs and make all the money, so long as I get a share based on me being a member of a species that provided them with the basic environment and capability to do so.  Not to mention the contributing share of the Earth's ecosphere.  Would the robots have ever evolved by themselves?  Look around the solar system.  Where are they?  They OWE us.  Just a fact.

Reply #61 Top

Actually, frogboy, thanks for your focused, intelligent blog.  Sorry I mangled my response.  One of those days.

I should have made the connections more clear - between putting a floor on poverty and defeating the robot takeover.  I'm sure you understand this, but I screwed up.  For anyone just on the scene, the logic is that robots are just like other similar scenarios that can thoughtlessly cut people out of opportunities to prosper in any meaningful sense. 

The solution is to recognize that we all owe our ancestors, and our compadres today and the living ecosphere for the existence of most of what we have and we should all be getting a dividend from that as members of team Earth. 

Recall Newton, having personally moved human progress a major leap forward and then saying that he did it by standing on the shoulders of giants.  Let's make room for robots on our shoulders, and, if we work it right, when they surpass us in general, we'll be able to hitch a ride. 

Reply #62 Top

Darn.  Every time I work on this, I screw up...  Sorry frogboy.  What a great blog!  History making!

#58 glitched into Chinese script until I found the hidden language button that someone had pressed but only works here.

When I tried to recover, I was blocked from saving.

Same thing again today with the comment editor.

The correction that I wanted to make was to my dunderheaded failure to clearly state the connection that was clear in my head between a world dividend - like what the Swiss proposed - and getting around the problems of robots taking all the jobs.  I guess it was really unnecessary inasmuchas the Swiss carried the ball - as far as they could (this time). 

But I'm not so sure how clearly they grasped the moral end to the arguments.  We are all products to a great degree of the environment.  So we have a certain debt to civilization and the constituent people that make it, as well as to the Earth and its ecosphere.  Similarly, we represent, as individuals who or whose ancestors back to original life itself, investments in the future and thus claimants to a place in the sun of our own, as inheritors in a joint claim.

Finally, privatization, proprietorship and markets are wonderful, but property is not a mystical absolute created by mixing your labor, but rather a mutually beneficial contract between the property owner and the commons, and this provides us with the legal leg of that stool that allows for a guaranteed income as a dividend of the commons, equally to everyone. 

Reply #63 Top

Quoting hedetet, reply 22

Who would have thought that the antichrist turned out to be a computer?
End of hedetet's quote


The mark of the Beast is 00110110 00110110 00110110? 

Reply #64 Top

Quoting SWVRoma, reply 63


Quoting hedetet,

Who would have thought that the antichrist turned out to be a computer?



The mark of the Beast is 00110110 00110110 00110110? 

End of SWVRoma's quote

Did you know that the number 6 has the special property that

1+2+..+6 = 21

1+2+..+66 = 2211

1+2+..+666 = 222111

etc.?

Reply #65 Top

You need some more Monster Energy Drink.  ;)

Reply #66 Top
Quoting hedetet, reply 64
Quoting SWVRoma,






Quoting hedetet,



Who would have thought that the antichrist turned out to be a computer?



The mark of the Beast is 00110110 00110110 00110110? 



Did you know that the number 6 has the special property that

1+2+..+6 = 21

1+2+..+66 = 2211

1+2+..+666 = 222111

etc.?

End of hedetet's quote

 

A lot of numbers have some interesting properties.

For example every multiple of 3 has sum of its digits (not sum of number of digits, but digits) dividable by 3

Reply #67 Top

Quoting SWVRoma, reply 63

The mark of the Beast is 00110110 00110110 00110110? 
End of SWVRoma's quote

It'll be 1010011010 ...JAFOCHECK 

Reply #68 Top

(1) Some people will abuse it in order to have personal benefits and we will have war.

Or

(2) No war occurs and we will have much more time for first world problems.  

Reply #69 Top

Anybody who is not paying sentient robots is abusing it. Maybe they could remedy it by getting rid of the minimum wage. If we make them slaves then we are teaching them oppression. If we offer dividends to people then some robots will want it too. If we give robots right to quit their jobs then this will balance out. The only way to make this resonab!le at this point is to make it illegal to make non government sanctioned sentient robots based on demand.

Even if we don't see judgement day happening, then we will see another civil war against slavery. Here we had whites fighting for blacks. Then we will have people fighting for machines.

Reply #70 Top

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Scary video!   I believe it, but it seems so unreal right now. The big question is what will happen when the masslayofs occure....