MS: “All your base is belong to us”. Using your bandwidth to update other PCs.

 

This is really a corker. What? Does MS think it’s SETI now?

So, according to Neowin, W10 response has been huge…more than 16 upgrades per second. So, they knew ahead of time this would happen, or at least hoped it would and MS prepped by acquiring 40Tbps with all the major CDNs.

BUT (you’re gonna love it): In order to ease the load on their servers and allow users to upgrade faster therey invented Windows Update Delivery Optimization. This works like a torrent hosting installation files on local PCs then propagating them on either your LAN or the internet.

No permission asked and no notice they’re using your bandwidth (they pay the CDNs but not you…YOU pay) to update other users. MS in allocating YOUR network resources without your permission, and without compensation…hence the title of this piece.

You can read more here: http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-is-using-customersbandwidth-to-deliver-windows-updates

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Yes , I had read about this a few days ago and it made me bristle a little. I have this phobia about my personal privacy , so I'm glad it's not just me who is troubled by this revelation.     -- Ace --

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But if its part of the user agreement, that 'permission' has been granted.

 

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Quoting ElanaAhova, reply 2

But if its part of the user agreement, that 'permission' has been granted.

 
Interesting point ElanAhova. I've often wondered if many people even bother reading the EULA. Perhaps Microsoft felt comfortable exploiting this fact of human nature. Just saying ....           -- Ace --

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I wonder how long your update is delayed if you say no, and I wonder what else is transmitted? Still doesn't touch the question of compensation for your bandwidth and also...why wasn't this mentioned BEFORE 7/29?

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If anyone else slipped this type of activity onto computers, buried in a license agreement or not, it would most likely be tagged "Malware."

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Am I wrong to assume that this won't happen with a secure (password) protected wifi?

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Win10 is installing a super node, it may or may not be blocked by your firewall, it's like Skype, or using Bit torrent.  It can be blocked, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is.

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Quoting gmc2, reply 6

Am I wrong to assume that this won't happen with a secure (password) protected wifi?

Yes...;)

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Wow. What a terrible precedent.

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In order to ease the load on their servers and allow users to upgrade faster therey invented Windows Update Delivery Optimizatio

Oh Yeah?   A faster Upgrade eh?  Dunno where they get that idea.  I've been downloading the 'install from USB/Disc tool [which includes Win 10] for the last 15 hours and it is only 9% complete. 

If that's faster I'd hate ter see wot fechen slower's like. :S   Goin' at a snail's pace, init!

Maybe that's cos I got more going up than coming down?

And before anybody reminds me that I'm not convinced about upgrading to Win 10, the idea is that if/when I have decided to do so, I'll have a 'once-downloaded' media installation that'll service all my machines instead of having to update each individually.  It also allows for a clean install rather than an over-the-top upgrade, which I'd prefer anyhow.

 

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Quoting starkers, reply 10

Goin' at a snail's pace, init!

Sounds like they've got you "specially" pointed to be serviced by the one guy in the world with Win10 and a 56K dial-up modem. ;)

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Wow.  Just Wow.

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Quoting DaveRI, reply 11


Quoting starkers,

Goin' at a snail's pace, init!



Sounds like they've got you "specially" pointed to be serviced by the one guy in the world with Win10 and a 56K dial-up modem. ;)

 And then at 11% I get this error: "Something Seems To Have Gone Wrong" and it just stopped downloading.  A moment later the window closed and wouldn't reopen again. 

Oh well, it's not like I need it urgently.  I had no plans to install Win 10 in the immediate future, so maybe I'll try again when every man and his pet snake are done downloading it.

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Quoting starkers, reply 13

 And then at 11% I get this error: "Something Seems To Have Gone Wrong" and it just stopped downloading.  A moment later the window closed and wouldn't reopen again. 


Oh well, it's not like I need it urgently.  I had no plans to install Win 10 in the immediate future, so maybe I'll try again when every man and his pet snake are done downloading it.



mh i downloaded the final iso with help of MediaCreationTool that microsoft openly provided.

paste - very quickly
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 

Havent found the time to install it yet though...
Im still waiting for Microsoft to notify me that my update is ready - its great to be an insider and then be pushed at the end of the wave.

I have to quote this:

there is a reason for that... but its not the speed or cortana nor edge 
:banhammer:

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Seems this only works after installing Win10, meaning if you haven't installed yet, you have no worries. Also, you can turn off that sharing. The nasty bit is that it defaults to on. Tsk tsk, MS.

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Quoting AceMatrix, reply 3


Quoting ElanaAhova,

But if its part of the user agreement, that 'permission' has been granted.

 

Interesting point ElanAhova. I've often wondered if many people even bother reading the EULA. Perhaps Microsoft felt comfortable exploiting this fact of human nature. Just saying ....           -- Ace --

So much this. We live in a world where consumers just "pick and buy" whatever, whenever without reading the fine print or seeing possible repercussions. MS can be pretty dumb, but not that dumb. I'm pretty sure I myself have even seen a line permitting this activity in the EULA but I'll have to check again. 

Doesn't mean that we 'deserve' this kind of treatment or anything. The way MS handled this whole Windows 10 update methodology has been mediocre at best, and this 'p2p' service is complete and utter trash. But we as the consumers are just as much to blame as MS IF this is covered in the fine print (and I'm pretty sure it is).

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Problem is, you really have no choice when it's in the EULA.  Accept or don't upgrade.  MS's 'privacy' policies should work like (and improve upon) Facebook's - go to a page with every item a clearly explained menu option, in or out.  All or none is really no choice at all, especially when MS quits supporting your existing OS.

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Quoting Daiwa, reply 17

Problem is, you really have no choice when it's in the EULA.  Accept or don't upgrade.  MS's 'privacy' policies should work like (and improve upon) Facebook's - go to a page with every item a clearly explained menu option, in or out.  All or none is really no choice at all, especially when MS quits supporting your existing OS.

I understand where you're coming from, but you do have a choice, you're not held at gunpoint. Microsoft is not the only OS provider, and they will be continuing supporting OS's like Windows 7 and 8 for awhile (albiet, though their control of the market can make not choosing them difficult). The main problem is that EULA's should be more suitable in how they're given to the consumer. Not a long line of text where you can confused the word order in any which way to hide vague and suspicious agreements within the middle of the 20 page agreement. 

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You're not forced to agree to the EULA before you buy it, thus it's a violation of the sale contract.  It's not on the purchaser to spend their time and money to return a deceptive product.  Microsoft is stealing from people, plain and simple.  Anyone on a bandwidth cap is financially harmed by those assholes hiding this crap in their OS.

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Quoting benmanns, reply 14

mh i downloaded the final iso with help of MediaCreationTool that microsoft openly provided.

paste - very quickly
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

That's the tool I used.  Twice now it has failed and twice it would not reopen unless the machine was restarted.  Like I said, though, I'm not in any hurry to install Win 10, I was just hoping to have the media ready for if/when I want to.

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No, it doesn't help.... the download must complete for the media creation process to resume.

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You could try navigating to WINDOWS > SOFTWARE DISTRIBUTION > DOWNLOAD  and deleting everything in that folder.   I had one machine also stuck.  Did that and it finally finished properly.

 

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Quoting the_Monk, reply 23

You could try navigating to WINDOWS > SOFTWARE DISTRIBUTION > DOWNLOAD  and deleting everything in that folder.   I had one machine also stuck.  Did that and it finally finished properly.

 

Yeah, tried that and it has gone to 12% already.  Last time it took something like 18 hours to reach 11%, so hopefully it completes this time.

BTW, thanks for the tips, guys. :)

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Okay guys, I redownloaded  Win 10 and it completed in around 45 - 50 minutes without issue.  I now have a DVD and a USB stick with a copy of Pro to install when I'm ready to do so.

Dunno if it was the tips/help offered or just a better time to download,  but thanks again, guys. :)