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Jafo's OK PC Build of 2015

Jafo's OK PC Build of 2015

Following on with ID's thread re new PC build.... and I'd only hijacked Starkers' one to describe what I'd been doing to date...so here's my own thread with the ins and outs of what's what.

My old machine [also home-grown] was a [then] reasonably OK machine....

Lian Li PC-A6010 case [black]

Antec TruePower Quattro 1000w PSU

ASUS P6T-se  X58 i7 MoBo

Intel i7 920 2.66Ghz LGA1366 CPU

12G OCZ Triple [6x2G] PC12800 DDR3 Gold Ram

CoolerMaster V8 CPU Cooler

Vantec EZ2 Sata hot-swap racks [x2][black]

1TB Seagate Sata2 7200 HD [x2] [redundancy backup/data]

2TB Western Digital Caviar Green Sata2 HD [x2]

500G WD Sata2 7200 HD [game backups]

250G Seagate Sata2 7200 HD [x2] [secondary/alternate OS installs in racks]

240G SanDisk SDSSDX240GG25 [for OS]

ACR-105 Multi card reader

LG Sata DVD-RW [x2][black]

ASUS GTX590 3GB GPU

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit RTM.

 

That was its final specs...having doubled the ram from 6 and adding a 'faster' GPU.

The stumbling block was really 'just' the CPU.  For FSX  it's a case of 'the faster the better' - so just before Xmas I started researching....

 

More to come...;)

 

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Reply #76 Top

Quoting fooshniken, reply 75

 

 

 

 so your totally ignoring the article which says the "systems" have caught up with the hardware???

irrelevant whether you boot once a day or once a year, if you have to reboot three or four times to get this  machine going something is definitely wrong. I would think you would be more curious to get to solve the problem and get back with us as to how to prevent these circumstances.

Not at all....I'm just not frantic as I had always assumed the OS dev would catch up....and the issue is very likely moot as the current OS [7 Ult 64] is to be replaced by 10 when it's ready...and by then the issue is no more...;)

Reply #77 Top

Jafo I would only change a few things. Go with an AMD processor. Bigger SSDs. And Windows 8 or 10. 7 is getting old. 

Reply #78 Top

Quoting kona0197, reply 77

Jafo I would only change a few things. Go with an AMD processor. Bigger SSDs. And Windows 8 or 10. 7 is getting old.

Main thing is...it's a done deal...the system has been up and running since December.

AMD doesn't make anything that would match in performance.  Bigger SSDs mean bigger replacement cost at T.E.C. date of 2023, and the OS is on the fastest 'drive' currently available.

As for 7 vs 8/10 ...It's 7 because it works...and 8 is a dog....only to be bypassed for 10 once that is RTM.... and as a temporary OS 7 was free as I had a spare key [TechNet].

Zubaz linked me to the 'next-big-thing' re the drive...about double the through-put of mine...but it's not yet on the market  [but will fit my MoBo] [and likely add another grand to the build price] ...;)

Reply #79 Top

Quoting kona0197, reply 77

Jafo I would only change a few things. Go with an AMD processor. Bigger SSDs. And Windows 8 or 10. 7 is getting old. 

In the first instance, AMD does not manufacture a CPU that comes remotely close to the i7 5960X for processing power or speed;

Secondly, what's wrong with a 512gb M.2 SSD for size?  And a 240gb as a secondery SSD?  Seems ample to me.

And lastly, while I have been an advocate of Win 8, much to the bemusement of some, Win 7 is still a decent OS, and not one to dismiss so easily for many, many PC users.  I will obviously update to Win 10 when released - for all the under-the-hood improvements, but I certainly won't be sticking with the butt ugly default UI when that time comes.  All I can say is thank goodness for Stardock products.

Reply #80 Top

Jafo Windows 8.1 is no dog. Far, far, far faster than 7 on my setup. In almost every way. Just have to learn to ignore the Metro screen. 

Reply #81 Top

Both 8 and 8.1 are dogs....just ask the people who made them....Microsoft.

I have the crap on my laptop...but I'll wait for 10 all the same for this machine....;)

Reply #82 Top

Quoting kona0197, reply 80

Jafo Windows 8.1 is no dog. Far, far, far faster than 7 on my setup.

Quoting Jafo, reply 81

Both 8 and 8.1 are dogs....just ask the people who made them....Microsoft.

Before you two girls start scratching eacher others faces.
OS performance/stability all depends on the hardware/software setup.

Remember my Vista experience, eh?

I rest my case.

Reply #83 Top

Quoting Snowman, reply 82

OS performance/stability all depends on the hardware/software setup.

Man, now that's the truth.  Honestly I think a lot of it depends on how much effort a hardware manufacturer wants to put into drivers for the hardware that they probably don't even make anymore - can't really blame them for that though.

Reply #84 Top

The reason for skipping 8 for 10 is that I NEED an OS that post-dates my hardware.  UEFI combined with DDR4 and an M.2 install of the OS gets 7 all flustered.

Even Windows 8 dates back to 2009 [at 7's release]... 8.1 was RTM in 2013, 2 years BEFORE my X99 was released.  10 will be about a year after....;)

Reply #85 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 84

The reason for skipping 8 for 10 is that I NEED an OS that post-dates my hardware. UEFI combined with DDR4 and an M.2 install of the OS gets 7 all flustered.

I can understand that reasoning and agree with it... in part.  I don't have DDR4 as yet, but I have Win 8.1 running on UEFI and an M.2 SSD without issue, and I believe that it would manage your hardware better than Win 7... nor is it the "dog" you think it is.  With Start8 and WB installed, Metro disabled, there's barely a difference to Win 7, except it is faster, more reliable and sturdy.

As for Win 10, it will be as much a 'dog" as Win 8/8.1, given the appearance of the GUI and icons.  They're butt ugly , to put it mildly.  However, like Win 8 was an improvement over 7, Win 10 will have major under-the-hood improvements over Win 8.1

Reply #86 Top

Well....it took 5 months but I finally managed a BSOD...

That means it's been pretty bloody stable for yonks.

Just prior to the 'crash' I'd had 17 instances of PSP6 running....5 of which were multi-layer PSDs...and 6 instances of an image converter too, [DXTtoBMP], not to mention that processor-hog aka FSX, and the usual winamp for music...browser windows...et al...

It was all an argument between what I wanted to do...and what Windows Update wanted me to do...

...and WinUpdate clearly had a hissy-fit and until I'd done a full shutdown/restart kept on blanking my screen every 10 seconds...."you WILL reboot or I'll have your balls"....

Anyway...up and running once more...slowly getting back up to that same workload yet again....;)

Reply #87 Top

Well aren't you just the clever one... 5 months of busting a nut to BSOD one of the most toppest-end rigs to be found anywhere in a modest Aussie suburban street and... and, and you finally succeeded.

Well congratulations in completing what is no mean feat... tho, given your reputation for breaking things, as having been awarded to you by yrag himself, I almost put money on it to have happened a lot.sooner.

:grin:

Anyway, with regard to my own new build, I took another step closer today.  I spotted the CoolerMaster Cosmos II case today for $370, being down from the usual $420 - $478 and more, so I decided to order it.  I still have to get the mobo, CPU and RAM, but I pretty much have the rest already... though I may reconsider the mobo after looking at this Asrock x99 Extreme 11.  Yup, that's 2x Ultra M.2 connectors @ 30gbps, and almost unlimited expansion potential.... and it likely wouldn't be as expensive as the Asus board, either.  Hmmmmm!!!!

:)

Reply #88 Top

A Deep Silence 6 is only 200 on Amazon, expensive handles.

Reply #89 Top

Quoting psychoak, reply 88

A Deep Silence 6 is only 200 on Amazon, expensive handles.

They look pretty good....just not comparable if you see one of these things in the flesh.  The simple thickness of the metal [on the Level 10] exudes quality alone....;)

 

Oh, and the handles are a bit of a joke....you have to be a bit of an Atlas to lift it once built ....;)

 

Reply #90 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 89

Oh, and the handles are a bit of a joke....you have to be a bit of an Atlas to lift it once built

They're probably not there to lift it up, they're probably there to give a person something to hang on to once he turns it on   ;)

Reply #91 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 89

Quoting psychoak,
reply 88

A Deep Silence 6 is only 200 on Amazon, expensive handles.

They look pretty good....just not comparable if you see one of these things in the flesh. The simple thickness of the metal [on the Level 10] exudes quality alone..

Agreed, the Level 10 is a sturdy case that exudes quality, style and personality.... if only I could get one in your model for my new build.  Oh well, the Cosmos II is pretty neat and of great quality also... and I still have my 'latter styled' Level 10, which is still sexy in its own right.

As for the Deep Silence 6, it is a stylish looking case with messes of room fo expansion, but it don't half look vacant with an ATX mobo and not much else installed.  I still prefer the Level 10 and/or Cosmos II, though.

Quoting Jafo, reply 89

Oh, and the handles are a bit of a joke....you have to be a bit of an Atlas to lift it once built ....


Yeah, it's a bit like that.  Even Arnie 'd have to do an extensive warm up and pop another steroid to hoist one up by the handle. :grin:   I haven't weighed mine since adding more components since the build was completed, but it'd be in the vicinity of 50kg - 55kg, me thinks... and not a dead-weight I'd like to be lifting by the handle alone.

On another note, my Cosmos II is paid for and should arrive on Monday or Tuesday, not that I'm in any hurry without the main guts of the machine on hand.  Still, I'm upgrading the Level 10 rig with a Z97X mobo, up from a Z87X mobo to accomodate M.2 drives and other updated tech [Thunderbolt, USB 3.1, SATA EXpress] natively.  It should also boot performance a bit, given it's a faster chip... not that I'm too sure about working on it... means I gotta lift the big bastard onto a work bench again.

:(O :grin:

Reply #92 Top

Quoting starkers, reply 91

up from a Z87X mobo to accomodate M.2 drives and other updated tech [Thunderbolt, USB 3.1, SATA EXpress] natively.

Wait a bit for the new M2 drives...about twice as fast as the current one [as mine is].  Not released yet...and no idea of pricing...but I bet a 512 will be pushing a grand...;)

 

The LE Level 10 was 50 kilos empty...

Reply #93 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 92

Quoting starkers,
reply 91

up from a Z87X mobo to accomodate M.2 drives and other updated tech [Thunderbolt, USB 3.1, SATA EXpress] natively.

Wait a bit for the new M2 drives...about twice as fast as the current one [as mine is]. Not released yet...and no idea of pricing...but I bet a 512 will be pushing a grand..

For now I'm just upgrading the mobo in readiness for those newer, faster drives, etc.  BTW, the mobo for the Level !0 rig also has two M.2 connectors, one being the Ultra M.2 @ 30gbps, and the other being the current 10gbps M.2 connection.... though the current M.2 drives are compatible with either, and vise versa when the new M.2s are available. The only downside to using the regular M.2 connectionon that mobo is that its bandwidth is shared and SATA ports 5 and 6 then become inactive, but not to worry, there are still 8 live SATA ports remaining.

As for buying one of the new M.2s, well that's going to have to wait until after I've gotten the rest of the new build, and then some.  The 256gb Samsung M.2 I've already got will suffice for the Level 10 rig 'til then, and a mate gave me the addy of where I can get a Crucial 512gb M.2 for $379.95, which I shall look into getting for the Cosmos II rig... when I can find the bit of paper he wrote it on... it's around here somewhere, I know it... I hope. 

If not he's just a phone call away.... that's if I can remember his No. ;P

Reply #94 Top

Quoting starkers, reply 93

The only downside to using the regular M.2 connectionon that mobo is that its bandwidth is shared and SATA ports 5 and 6 then become inactive,

SATA ports?  Mine shares PCIe 16 slot 5.  The 8 SATAs are unaffected...;)

Reply #95 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 94


Quoting starkers,

The only downside to using the regular M.2 connectionon that mobo is that its bandwidth is shared and SATA ports 5 and 6 then become inactive,



SATA ports?  Mine shares PCIe 16 slot 5.  The 8 SATAs are unaffected...;)

Yeah, different manufacturers and different methods, I guess,  However, that's the second M.2 port @10Gb/s.  The first M.2 port @30Gb/s, which 'll be the one I'd use for the OS, is standalone and shares with nothing, thus leaving the SATA ports and PCIE slots free for other devices...though if I wanted to dual boot, I wouldn't mind sacrificing a couple of SATA ports to add a second M.2 drive.  I'd still have 8 SATA ports free... and if I wanted to, I could add another 4 or maybe 8 ports with the PCIE to SATA cards I have.

Thing is, the Level 10 rig only has 8 drives, so that's not necessary.  The Cosmos II, however, has two SSD bays and the front plus 13 HDD bays, and I intend to use them all to store all the extended family's photos and videos, my music and personal files, etc... not forgetting, of course, backups of everything.  That's where the AsRock X99 Extreme 11 comes in, with its two Ultra M.2 ports, 10 SATA 3 ports and 8 SAS ports., which are backwards compatible with SATA 3. 

Yup, so my build has changed some since I first mentioned it, but it was likely to happen, given I have 'til August until all the components are in my possession.  Okay, so maybe I'd have gotten there a little quicker had I not spent $210 to upgrade the mobo in the Level 10, but hey, the CPU couldn't perform to its full potential on the X87 board, and simply, that's not acceptable to me.

Besides, I gave up going to the pub, smoking and hookers, so I can treat myself if I like. :-" ;P :grin:

Reply #96 Top

I spend all my time looking at the monitors, not the case. :)

Reply #97 Top

Quoting psychoak, reply 96

I spend all my time looking at the monitors, not the case. :)

Same here, but a good looking case with lots o' good shit in it makes looking at the monitors even more enjoyable. ;P

Reply #98 Top

I thought my new build was top of the line until I saw this thread. Paul, that's is one bad ass rig you got there...wow.

Reply #99 Top

Quoting psychoak, reply 96

I spend all my time looking at the monitors, not the case.

Yes...but what happened in this build was that I was looking for 'my usual' well-made Lian Li ...but couldn't get one that would BOTH do everything I wanted AND fit in the spot under the desk I'd already made....

....so the idea came to me that the case 'could' just sit on top of the desk [thus being quite visible] and then if it were to actually look 'good' it wouldn't simply be a case of being too big to be put away.  The Level 10 Titanium looks 'good' from every direction....even the arse end doesn't look like the south end of a north-bound camel like many do...;)

Reply #100 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 99


Quoting psychoak,

I spend all my time looking at the monitors, not the case.



Yes...but what happened in this build was that I was looking for 'my usual' well-made Lian Li ...but couldn't get one that would BOTH do everything I wanted AND fit in the spot under the desk I'd already made....

....so the idea came to me that the case 'could' just sit on top of the desk [thus being quite visible] and then if it were to actually look 'good' it wouldn't simply be a case of being too big to be put away.  The Level 10 Titanium looks 'good' from every direction....even the arse end doesn't look like the south end of a north-bound camel like many do...;)

If you keep going with just how beautifil the Level 10 Titanium looks when I can't get one, I'm going to have to boycott/bypass any and all your posts with such a mention.  It's not that I'm green with envy, either.  No, it has gone beyond that.  I've turned every shade of green and now the 'blackness' has begun to set in, having been through several shades of dark grey along the way.

I'd call you a lucky, lucky bastard, but it ain't gonna help me get one, so I'll just call you fortunate and be thankful for my Cosmos II. :grin:

As for cases not fitting under the bench/in the tower pigeon hole, neither my Level 10 GTS or the Cosmos II will fit, so I built an elevated plaform they can both sit on beside the desk... yet off the floor where they'd attract more dust, etc.