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Star names...suck to be honest. :3

Star names...suck to be honest. :3

3776 stars, and the journey of one man to right a wrong.

I started a game and was having fun as the iridium (love them :inlove: ) BUT after a few turns and was colonizing I scrolled over some odd names. In fact all the stars in my area had fubar names like; xhxl558; Ragnarokchu; LordAreon; Xelni Jota. Seriously?

The realization that they sucked and people were not over reacting from previous complaints nearly made me laugh...because I'm like that. (lol) More seriously though, its going to be a first impression for many people, and its the type of random annoying thing that breaks immersion and makes you say, "WTF?!?" There are others that shouldn't be in either, like Hoth also known as random star name 57, and alderan, Rumpestildskin, Sauron, Sobek-Re. Sobek-Re sounds familiar more than others though. And they aren't even founders names, they are SD made! (still better than gizmotechnica)

Realistically, founders star names begin at 532 and there are 3776 names so SD would need to replace 7/8ths of the names and i don't think its possible nor do they want to do something that boring. Luckily I am editing out all the shit for those that are lazy, yet demanding that star names be serious. Consider it my Christmas present. ;)

More specifically regular names like Harper (love that name) and Katie I'm leaving, no one should have a problem with a name that might already be a star in real life. It also makes absolutely no sense to bug me about when I'll be done because I'll share it at release only, when mods are working and it will just make more sense. (and I'm busy as bees.)

So:

1. Edit star names.

2. Give out star names.

3. Rejoice.

 

DARCA ;- )

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Reply #26 Top

Lovely.

Reply #27 Top

Quoting for7676, reply 22

Edited the star names, now I get an error window popping up

Duplicate StringTable Label found: RANDOM_STAR_NAME_0  from 0 to 575

Thoughts?

WARNING any files you have change will be change back to OME!!! You`ll have to change them back to what you had change them to.

 

If you don`t get it fix go to your steam client right click on Galciv III game then hit properties  Local Files then Verify Integrity of Game Cache...

Reply #28 Top

Star names are an issue to me too.  Even in GalCiv2 there were strange things going on...  So I did some digging about star names, and decided for my modding purposes I will insert as many real universe names (Bayer nomenclature method) as possible and also create variants that fit the suspension of disbelief.  To summarize, I take names of constellations and prefix them with a greek letter, so Thuban is also officially known as Alpha Draconis -- the brightest star in the constellation Draconis -- so there is a Beta Draconis, Gamma Draconis, etc. that can be added.  Antares is also known as Alpha Scorpii, and Vega is Alpha Lyrae, and so on.  In some cases I keep the name like Vega, but extrapolate other names so Delta Lyrae (real or not) is added to the star name list.

I figure if a good 25% of the star names show up in game using the Bayer nomenclature system, that would really help with immersion when playing.  Wikipedia has a very thorough listing of star names and their various real world names - I highly recommend looking there, although it is very Terran-centric for a game that features alien civilizations.

 

Yas.

Reply #29 Top

I know because I ran into the exact same problem and someone else helped me out.

Pay it forward LOL.

Reply #30 Top

Real stars often have names that are seemingly meaningless letters and numbers.  It's not a big deal.

Reply #32 Top

Quoting Folgra1, reply 31

Does Darca always get this excited?

 

I vote YES!.............. :-"

Reply #33 Top

Quoting mormegil, reply 9

We are going to to make a editing pass on all the star name, but we will be a bit more forgiving than some might like, We really appreciate the support from our early founders, and want to be able to use their star names if at all possible. 

This means we may be making some changes, Translating L33t to plain English, Adding spaces, and truncating some. Hopefully we will be able to keep as many names as possible without to much strain on the players. 

That said their are currently 3339 founder names, so its going to take a bit of time for us to curate them all.  

Why not have an option to either enable founder names or disable them? Problem solved.

Reply #34 Top

Sorry for resurrecting an ancient thread, but I was curious if there were any plans to be able to rename a star you come across in game?  Or disable founder's names (sorry founders, but yeah, currently playing a game with two adjacent stars named "Boatmurdered" and "Herbig Haro", for example).  It really takes you out of the immersion.

Hell, if there was an option to just name all those stars with random numbers and letters, that would be better.  System AAX-133 would be better than "Herbig Haro". 

 

Anyway, great game otherwise, and Beta 5 is a lot of fun!

 

 

Reply #35 Top

my founders star name is the "Howling Dog" star in honor of my Beagle.

Reply #36 Top

Obviously no one is considering the crushed dreams of the star namers who believed their choice was inspirational, and/or those who became founders solely for the ability to name a star. :)

Actually, when we consider the number of stars out there, it invokes the monkeys and typewriters thing. All names are possible.

Reply #37 Top

If anyone is struggling to create star names, whether to rename systems, or mod them into the game: I found the Bayer Nomenclature System that astronomers use to be very inspirational - from a Terran's conqueror's point of view :grin: .  E.g.  Vega is also known as Alpha Lyrae, "alpha" for being the brightest/most significant star in the constellation Lyrae.  Since there are several stars in each constellation that we can see from Earth, it follows you can use names like Beta Lyrae, Gamma Lyrae, Delta Lyrae and so on - unless you know a common name for the star in question.  Another example: Betelgeuse, aka Alpha Orionis of the constellation Orion; so an star called Iota Orionis would be perfectly in keeping with the naming method.  Wikipedia is *very* helpful with this approach.

 

A more fictional resource I highly recommend: the RPG, Traveller!  Oodles of system names populate the game setting, many interesting, some funny, some weird, and most quite immersive.  If you get hold of a map of the subsectors of the the Spinward Marches, you'll find plenty of viable system names!

 

There are many other sources like sci-fi novels, Dr. Who, Farscape, Star Wars, Star Trek, etc., but I found the above two methods very helpful on their own without borrowing from movies , TV, and their related properties.

 

-Y.

Reply #39 Top

here's a list of 175 name of stars that exist for real, most of them in our very galaxy

Achernar
Acrab
Acrux
Acubens
Adhafera
Adhara
Ain
Al Niyat
Albireo
Alcor
Alcyone
Aldebaran
Alfirk
Algenib
Algieba
Algol
Algorab
Alhena
Alioth
Alkaid
Alkalurops
Almaak
Alnasl
Alnath
Alnilam
Alnitak
Alphekka
Alpheratz
Alrakis
Alrescha
Alshain
Altair
Altais
Alterf
Aludra
Alula Australis
Alula Borealis
Alya
Ancha
Ankaa
Antares
Arktur
Arneb
Ascella
Asellus Australis
Aspidiske
Asterope
Atlas
Atria
Avior
Azha
Baten Kaitos
Beid
Bellatrix
Beteigeuze
Biham
Botein
Capella
Castor
Cebalrai
Celaeno
Chertan
Cor Caroli
Cursa
Deneb
Deneb Algedi
Denebola
Dschubba
Dubhe
Edasich
Electra
Enif
Errai
Etamin
Formalhaut
Furud
Girtab
Gomeisa
Grumium
Hadar
Hamal
Homan
Izar
Kaus Australis
Kaus Borealis
Kaus Media
Keid
Kitalpha
Kochab
Kornephoros
Lesath
Maasym
Markab
Matar
Mebsuta
Megrez
Meissa
Menkalinan
Merak
Merope
Mesarthim
Miaplacidus
Mimosa
Mintaka
Mirach
Mirfak
Mirzam
Mizar
Mothallah
Muphrid
Muscida
Naos
Nekkar
Nunki
Nusakan
Peacock
Phact
Phekda
Pherkad
Pleione
Pollux
Porrima
Prokyon
Propus
Rasalas
Rasalgethi
Rasalhague
Rastaban
Regor
Regulus
Rigel
Rigil Kent
Ruchbah
Sabik
Sadachbia
Sadalmelik
Sadalsuud
Sadr
Scheat
Schedir
Seginus
Sham
Shaula
Sheliak
Sheratan
Sirius
Situla
Skat
Spica
Subra
Suhail
Sulafat
Syrma
Talitha
Tania Australis
Tania Borealis
Tarazed
Taygeta
Tejat
Thuban
Vega
Vesta
Vindemiatrix
Wasat
Wazn
Wezen
Yed Posterior
Yed Prior
Yildun
Zaniah
Zaurak
Zavijava
Zibal
Zosma
Zubeneschamali

enjoy  :)

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Reply #40 Top

My suggestion to StarDock is that star names get assigned to categories.  Create a sub-folder under data/English/Text called StarNames and any XML files inside there can be used for star names.  Founder names could be in one XML file, old GC2 star names in a second XML file.  Then you can easily create an options screen to turn on/off individual XML files.

This would also provide a place for modders to create StarName XML files that players could easily add to their game.

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Reply #41 Top

I was pretty disappointed when I spent a very long time picking a great greek star name only to find some of the ridiculousness that got approved.

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Reply #42 Top

Quoting wuphonsreach, reply 40

My suggestion to StarDock is that star names get assigned to categories.  Create a sub-folder under data/English/Text called StarNames and any XML files inside there can be used for star names.  Founder names could be in one XML file, old GC2 star names in a second XML file.  Then you can easily create an options screen to turn on/off individual XML files.

This would also provide a place for modders to create StarName XML files that players could easily add to their game.

This sounds like a very reasonable idea. I hope they take it to heart.

Reply #43 Top

Quoting DARCA1213, reply 6

Oppps! I lied, I am going to edit the names of women I have a bad history with. Lol

 

I LOL @ that

Reply #44 Top

Quoting dead1486, reply 41

I was pretty disappointed when I spent a very long time picking a great greek star name only to find some of the ridiculousness that got approved.

So was I.  Now it seems that because of them all of our names may be made optional to the player.

Reply #45 Top

No one can blame me, I was way too lazy to pick a star name...

Reply #46 Top

thx for the starnames maiden666! i also hate some of the original star names but the other day i found a class26 planet named jotunheimen III and i was inlove with that planet hahaha

Reply #47 Top

Went to the wikipedia sources named on the first page and added many of the starnames mentioned there to the list, it's up to 407 entries now (including the above posted list). 

I've tried to look out for common or historical names mostly with only some of the generic names from the "big lists" in order to spice it up a bit (there's alot of similar sounding Al-blabla names because of the arabic historical roots of astronomy) or if the generic name was an interesting entry (such as Wolf 359 which turns out to be a very close neighbor to our own sun... before this night I believed this to be a Star Trek invention^^)

Acamar
Achernar
Achird
Acrab
Acrux
Acubens
Adhafera
Adhara
Ain
Akrab
Al Fawaris
Al Kalb al Rai
Al Kurud
Al Minliar al Asad
Al Nair
Al Niyat
Al Thalimain
Aladfar
Alamak
Alaraph
Alathfar
Albalda
Albali
Albireo
Alchiba
Alcor
Alcyone
Aldebaran
Alderamin
Aldhafera
Aldhanab
Aldhibain
Aldib
Alfecca Meridiana
Alfirk
Algenib
Algieba
Algol
Algorab
Alhajoth
Alhena
Alioth
Alkaid
Alkalurops
Alkes
Alkurah
Almaak
Alnair
Alnasl
Alnath
Alnilam
Alnitak
Alniyat
Alpha Centauri
Alpha Pavonis
Alpha Tucanae
Alphard
Alphekka
Alpheratz
Alrai
Alrakis
Alrami
Alrescha
Alrischa
Alsafi
Alsciaukat
Alshain
Alshat
Altair
Altais
Altarf
Alterf
Aludra
Alula Australis
Alula Borealis
Alwaid
Alya
Alzir
Ancha
Angetenar
Ankaa
Antares
Arches
Arich
Arkab
Arktur
Armus
Arneb
Ascella
Asellus Australis
Askella
Aspidiske
Asterion
Asterope
Atik
Atlas
Atria
Aurigae
Auva
Avior
Azaleh
Azelfafage
Azha
Azmidiske
Baham
Barnard's Star
Baten Kaitos
Beid
Bellatrix
Benetnasch
Beta Caeli
Beta Virginis
Beteigeuze
Betria
Biham
Botein
Brachium
Bunda
Camelopardalis
Canis Majoris
Canopus
Capella
Caph
Castor
Cebalrai
Celaeno
Cephei
Chara
Cheleb
Chertan
Chort
Chow
Cor Caroli
Crucis A
Cursa
Cygni
Cygnus X-1
Dabih
Decrux
Delta Crateris
Deneb
Deneb Algedi
Denebola
Diadem
Diphda
Dnoces
Doradus
Dschubba
Dubhe
Duhr
DX Cancri
Edasich
El Nath
Electra
Elmuthalleth
Elnath
Eltanin
Enif
Ensis
Epsilon Eridani
Epsilon Gruis
Epsilon Indi
Epsilon Scorpii
Errai
Eta Carinae
Etamin
EZ Aquarii
Formalhaut
Fum al Samakah
Furud
Gacrux
Gamma Serpentis
Gamma Trianguli
Gatria
Geminorum
Gemma
Gianfar
Giedi
Gienah
Girtab
Gliese
Gomeisa
Gorgonae Tertia
Graffias
Groombridge
Grumium
Hadar
Haedus
Haldus
Hamal
Hassaleh
Head of Hydrus
Heka
Herschel's Garnet Star
Heze
Hind's Crimson Star
Hoedus
Homan
Hyadum
Hydrae
Hydrobius
Iota Horologii
Izar
Jabbah
Kabdhilinan
Kaffaljidhma
Kajam
Kakkab
Kappa Coronae Borealis
Kapteyn's Star
Kastra
Kaus Australis
Kaus Borealis
Kaus Media
Keid
Kitalpha
Kochab
Koo She
Kornephoros
Kraz
Kruger
Kullat Nunu
Kuma
La Superba
Lacaille
Lalande
Lanx Australis
Leonis
Lesath
Lucida Anseris
Luhman
Luyten
Lyrae
Lyuten's Star
Maasym
Mahasim
Marfikent
Markab
Markeb
Matar
Mebsuta
Megrez
Meissa
Mekbuda
Melnick 42
Menchib
Menkab
Menkalinan
Menkar
Menkent
Menkib
Merak
Merga
Merope
Mesarthim
Miaplacidus
Mimosa
Minchir
Minelava
Minkar
Mintaka
Mira
Mirach
Mirfak
Mirzam
Misam
Mizar
Monocerotis
Mothallah
Mu Capricorni
Mu Cassiopeia
Mufrid
Muhlifain
Muliphein
Muphrid
Murzim
Muscida
Naos
Nash
Nashira
Navi
Nekkar
Nembus
Nihal
Nunki
Nusakan
Okul
Ophiuchi
Orionis
Peacock
Pegasi
Peony Nebula Star
Persei
Phact
Phekda
Pherkad
Pismis
Pistol Star
Plaskett's Star
Pleione
Polaris
Pollux
Porrima
Praecipua
Prokyon
Propus
Proxima Centauri
Rana
Ras Elased Australis
Ras Thaoum
Rasalas
Rasalgethi
Rasalhague
Rastaban
Regor
Regulus
Rigel
Rijl al Awwa
Ross
Rotanev
Ruby Star
Ruchbah
Rukbat
Sabik
Sadachbia
Sadalbari
Sadalmelik
Sadalsuud
Sadatoni
Sadr
Saiph
Sargas
Sarin
Sarir
Sceptrum
Scheat
Scheddi
Schedir
Scholz's Star
Scuti
Seginus
Sham
Shaula
Sheliak
Sher 25
Sheratan
Sinistra
Sirius
Situla
Skat
Spica
Sterope
Struve
Sualocin
Subra
Suhail
Sulafat
Syrma
Tabit
Talitha
Tania Australis
Tania Borealis
Tarazed
Tau Ceti
Tauri
Taygeta
Teegarden's Star
Tegmen
Teide
Tejat
Terebellum
Thabit
Theemin
Theta Muscae
Thuban
Tien Kwan
Torcularis Septentrionalis
Tseen She
Tsih
Tureis
Tyl
Ursa Majoris
Van Maanen's Star
Vega
Velorum A
Vesta
Vindemiatrix
Vulepculae
Wasat
Wazn
Wei
Westerlund
Wezen
Wolf 359
Wray
Yed Posterior
Yed Prior
Yildun
Zaniah
Zaurak
Zavijava
Zeta Leporis
Zeta Reticuli
Zibal
Zosma
Zuben-el-Akrab
Zubeneschamali

I've omitted remnants of stars such as white dwarfs, neutron stars or black holes, but some of the zodiacal pictures are mentioned via stars named after them (eg Mu Cassiopeia etc).

Best wishes  :sun:

Reply #48 Top

I am such a nerd. Is it bad that I did know that Wolf 359 is a real place?

Reply #49 Top

Not at all :thumbsup: . The first list I took manually out from a software called "Stellarium", which makes you see the sky on your computer screen. Wolf 359 is very hard to see there because it is brown dwarf star. Good to have wikipedia around for this :)

Reply #50 Top

You know, I think it was like a decade ago or something, but I think I uncovered that fact similarly to how you did, now that I think about it. Knew it from Trek and then was like whaaaaaat when I found out it's a real star. Memory is hazy though.