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Heavy cruisers not worth the money? Do they need a buff?

Heavy cruisers not worth the money? Do they need a buff?

I find that Heavy Cruisers don't have much of a place in most fleets.

 

Although they can be somewhat useful as tanks, they generally don't seem to last very long against certain strategies or abilities like Chastic Burst.

 

It's not so much that they are weak in absolute terms as much as it is that their cost makes them hard to justify. Should they be given some sort of a buff?

 

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Reply #51 Top

Quoting UnleashedElf, reply 39


Quoting Ryat,


I think they tried this and it made LRFs melt as they have a similar armor composition to that of bombers.



 

That would explain it. Hmm ... I think that end game bomber spam can be very powerful in many ways.

 

The only real solution I can see is to create a new category of armor specifically for bombers and somewhat buff fighters and flak to be more effective against it. That and combine that with a second gun for heavy cruisers.

 

It would not be a huge buff though. Bombers would be viable still, but probably not as dominant.

 

I think the goal is should be to try to eventually reach a point where no single "spam" type is going to be so decisive.

 

Otherwise, I think there are a few other things that I would buff personally. The Vasari Rankulas for example is well ... ineffective. I think it needs to be re-thought of from ground up. The swarms need a massive buff to be competitive.

A new armor type has been my dream for this game for so freaking long... We didn't need titans. We didn't need corvettes. We just freaking needed LRF and bombers to have different armor types. Everything could have fallen neatly into place after that... I made a thread detailing that back in what... 2010? Something like that...

Reply #52 Top

Quoting Seleuceia, reply 45

Well....I've never actually seen Hummer and Sinkillr in the same game on ICO, but they are separate steam accounts...

And lets face it, does Sinkillr really strike you as the type of person to own two steam accounts?

 

Wait ... so this guy plays 2 accounts in the same game at once? Is that some sort of strategy to try to win the game?

 

Quoting Sinkillr, reply 42

Most of the bans were due to criticism of Stardock, not trolling... I probably have the most credibility of anyone in this thread (although some may beg to differ) considering I have by far the most MP experience and skill...

 

So you've been banned before?

 

I hate to say this, but from my experiences, in most communities, whether they be enthusiast forums, gaming, etc, the most knowledgeable people are usually quite modest people. They also usually do not attack the person, but if the person has stated something wrong, their arguments.

 

 

Quoting Volt_Cruelerz, reply 51

A new armor type has been my dream for this game for so freaking long... We didn't need titans. We didn't need corvettes. We just freaking needed LRF and bombers to have different armor types. Everything could have fallen neatly into place after that... I made a thread detailing that back in what... 2010? Something like that...

 

The game needs several new armor types imo

 

Titans ... I think it's complicated. They did have one positive effect I think. They increased the use of capital ships in the game. Certain capital ships on each side are vital to take on Titans.

Reply #53 Top

And they neutralized combat frigates. The fleet compositions are utterly different before and after them because of their crazy AoE.

Reply #54 Top

simple way make heavy cruisers usefull is - low down they credit. resurce and fleet supply cost for example on 15-20%.
no need any bombers nerf or heavy cruisers buff.  thats all.  even now heavy cruisers very usefull, you say bombers kill them?, oh pls, use carriers with figthers for defending them. 

Reply #55 Top

Quoting Sinkillr, reply 46

But how would you know that, considering you've never played MP and instead spend all your time playing some dumb Paradox game?

What can I say?  I don't get MDs when playing EU4...damn "runtime errors" even affect SP now, can't even comp stomp in peace...

Reply #56 Top

A categorical buff doesn't exactly seem ideal. And besides, the balance concerns go deeper than just heavy cruisers...

Reply #57 Top

Anyway, heavy cruisers do not need to be buffed....they have their role, they are just fine, there is absolutely no reason to buff them...

HCs are actually some of the most cost effective ships in the game...I can understand someone thinking that they are weak because of their rare appearance online, but the proposed solution should not be to "fix" a weakness that doesn't even exist...

You know....maybe this is just another...nah, he wouldn't do that....

Reply #58 Top

Damn good job Seleuceia with that crack detective work, I should have suspected this was another Riddleking troll thread. His list of "sleeper" accounts he creates years in advance for his trolling is truly incredible.

Reply #59 Top

I don't see why Bombers don't use verylight armor same as fighters.

Would probably work out better imo

 

but more armor types would be great.
Also, I wish cruisers and frigates were actually separate entity classes and not all considered frigates in the code.

Reply #60 Top

Quoting Volt_Cruelerz, reply 53

And they neutralized combat frigates. The fleet compositions are utterly different before and after them because of their crazy AoE.

 

It has made the game kind of Titan-centric. Depending on your perspective that can be a good or a bad thing.

 

Quoting Volt_Cruelerz, reply 56

A categorical buff doesn't exactly seem ideal. And besides, the balance concerns go deeper than just heavy cruisers...

 

I don't think a straight up buff to stats (ex: hp, damage) would be the best option.

 

I still thinking giving them some sort of anti-strike capability would be a net gain though for balance. Combine this with a few more armor types for specific types of units and it would solve most of the balance issues.

 

 

Quoting Seleuceia, reply 57

You know....maybe this is just another...nah, he wouldn't do that....

 

I have no idea what that means, as I have not been on this forum for long.

 

Reply #61 Top

How many heads does a hydra have?

Reply #62 Top

Quoting Wintercross, reply 59
Also, I wish cruisers and frigates were actually separate entity classes and not all considered frigates in the code.

Honestly, I think (to the devs) cruisers are frigates, it just they decided to give them a different "visible" label considering they were under a different build tab.

But I do agree with you.  If one is going to give something a different label to the player, then they should use the same categorization in code.

Reply #63 Top

Quoting Seleuceia, reply 57

You know....maybe this is just another...nah, he wouldn't do that....

I've seen UnleashedElf across several of Stardocks forums and I think he has an acount with Kerberos. All posts I've seen of his are legit.

Reply #64 Top

Well apparently Sinkillr has seen my on the Steam forums even though I don't ever go there...

Reply #65 Top

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198014473147

 

You've been caught RED HANDED bud. Stop posting before you further embarrass yourself...

Reply #66 Top

Lol that's not even a forum, it's a profile page...hell, it's not even a profile of a forum....

Looks like someone needs to refer to the dictionary again to define what a forum is...I quote form Merriam Webster....

"In ancient Roman cities, a centrally located open area surrounded by public buildings and colonnades and serving as a multipurpose public gathering place."

I know you aren't too good with words, so I'll post a picture for you:

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Reply #67 Top
HOW CONVENIENT your forum page turned into a regular steam profile the moment I posted the link... Coincidence!!?! I think not...
Reply #68 Top

Quoting UnleashedElf, reply 60

I still thinking giving them some sort of anti-strike capability would be a net gain though for balance. Combine this with a few more armor types for specific types of units and it would solve most of the balance issues.

At least one more in the way of bombers having their own.

Reply #69 Top

Quoting Ryat, reply 63


Quoting Seleuceia,

You know....maybe this is just another...nah, he wouldn't do that....



I've seen UnleashedElf across several of Stardocks forums and I think he has an acount with Kerberos. All posts I've seen of his are legit.

 

I do not have an account on Kerboros by the name "Unleashed Elf", although I do have an account with Kerberos. I am not very active on that forum mind you. 

I am however active on the Elemental forums, sometimes the Gal Civ forums, and occasionally the general Stardock forums. I do not have any other accounts but this one with Stardock (use to in the Impulse days, but that I think has transferred over to Gamestop, and I no longer use it).

 

I think you can go through my posting history if you want to, it's possible to do it with any profile.

Reply #70 Top

You know, it really is just a running joke...

However....

Quoting UnleashedElf, reply 69

I think you can go through my posting history if you want to, it's possible to do it with any profile.

Think about the logic there...how does that prove or disprove anything in regards to multiple accounts?

Reply #71 Top

Plot twist: Sinkillr is actually UnleashedElf

Reply #72 Top

Quoting Sinkillr, reply 71

Plot twist: Sinkillr is actually UnleashedElf

 

Lol? :D That's the first thing you have said to me that has made me laugh.

 

If we were, it would be easy tell. our tone would be extremely similar. Plus, you have thus far, attempted to hide your alts as much as you can, the notable exception being HummerX.

 

Quoting Seleuceia, reply 70

Think about the logic there...how does that prove or disprove anything in regards to multiple accounts?

 

That's easy.

 

Look at tone, writing style, and choice of words. If 2 accounts are owned by the same person, they would be very similar in that  regard. It is very, very hard for a person to alter the way they talk and write. We humans are creatures of habit. Generally speaking, if 2 accounts are the same, the style that they write will be similar.

 

A friend of mine used to be a TA at a university. He once caught a person plagiarizing because of the similar writing style between two essays. 

 

Now I know this is a joke, but this is a serious answer - remember, humans are creatures of habit. That's why it's very hard for example for a procrastinator to break their habits. They have to actively think about breaking their habit for a long time.

 

Also, another consideration. Have you ever done a group report or project before? You'll notice that integrating everything together can be a challenge, because of the differences in writing style. Without a lot of editing, it won't sound "smooth", the flow of the words will not be very pleasant to read, and the paper will sound like it was several different works hammered together.

Reply #73 Top

Quoting UnleashedElf, reply 72

Look at tone, writing style, and choice of words. If 2 accounts are owned by the same person, they would be very similar in that regard.

LOL

I know with a moral certainty that there are users here (not myself, btw) who have other accounts, and the community is not even the least bit suspicious...most of the double accounts in the past were actually only revealed because the person told their friends outside the forums, and that is still true now as well...even if it's obvious that an account is probably a troll smurf, it's not necessarily obvious who it is just by their style and tone...

This isn't a college class where we are focused on writing research essays...this is a forum where trolls have all the time in the world to deliberately pretend to be someone else...sure, some might get caught, but more likely it's because they don't care or actually wanted to get "caught" in the first place...

Quite frankly, most of Sinkillr's smurf accounts are associated with him because he made absolutely no effort to hide them...hell, people get away with smurfing on ICO all the time....despite cluttering up the chat with plenty of evidence for "style" in addition to evidence of their playing habits, most go unsolved except for the few friends they tell on TS...

More importantly, I guarantee you I could make an account today, say some stupid stuff about flak being OP, and you all would think it was Sinkillr regardless of what style I used...I also guarantee you Sinkillr could make an account today, say some stupid shit with ellipses everywhere, and you all would think it was me...

Style proves nothing on internet forums...all it provides is a talking point about who's who in the latest book of trolling...

But let's put all this pansy anecdotal he-said she-said bull aside...let's do some real, hardcore, objective research...

Tell me, is HummerX and Sinkillr the same person, or different people?  What does your analysis of style tell you?

Reply #74 Top

I know for a fact that I've been "framed" for possessing certain accounts that were not actually mine, such as the case of Tiberius by Seleuceia (most likely WOEaintME's smurf) and late_game_master, also by Seleuceia (Are you sensing a pattern here?). 

Reply #75 Top

LOL the irony of that, considering I "accused" WOE of being you as well...

What, you think I pay these people Bit Coins to act like you?  I'm not that rich...and they're not that desperate...

Just be honest Sin...all those accounts are yours, all of them...TIBERIUS, Ragnarok, WOE, Ryat, Goa...all of them are yours...and this Elf one is just your most recently activated sleeper account...it's okay, you can tell us the truth, we don't judge here...