Tower of Dominion - when do you build it?

First - easiest growth modifier.  Unless I'm dramatically needing to reduce unrest first for some reason.

I build it about immediately, unless I'm testing some code out (which is a lot lately), in which case I build whatever I'm 'piggybacking' the code on (MonumentsXP is my 'testbed' for such coding).

First thing. No point in waiting. Get those benefits early.

Is it just me, or doesn't it seem silly that your first building doesn't already have this grandfathered into your city?  It's unique to the starting city wouldn't really be built anywhere else.  Feels like a needless time sink to me.

Thanks guys, figured as much.

@ BernieTime - yes if it's 90% of the time the first building constructed it seems a bit pointless perhaps.  I'm wondering though.... like maybe if it took longer to build or something, so that then there was a decision created as to *when* to build it (rather than *if*).

So if it took twice as long how would that change things?

It really depends on what else is available for your city to do, and at the start of the game you really don't have that much that you can build. I will say that increasing the amount of time that it takes to build the Tower will increase the value of getting the Cleric, Bell Tower, or Logging Camp (if any are available) before the Tower, as any of those can reduce the time taken to build the Tower and provide more of a construction time reduction (in absolute terms, not relative) the longer the Tower takes to build, though I could not say off the top of my head whether or not doubling the build time of the Tower would make delaying its benefits for those of the three listed structures worthwhile (especially since that judgement is dependent on the player - what's worthwhile to me isn't necessarily worthwhile to someone else; I'll already build Logging Camps and perhaps Studies before the Tower if I have them available, anyways).

Getting that growth bonus from the Tower early means you reach level 2 faster, and you can build pioneers earlier and more frequently. The Tower also provides a comparable unrest reduction to the Cleric, because your first city gives you 3 unrest due to having 1 city in your empire, which is canceled by the Tower, while the Cleric reduces unrest by 5. I might build the Cleric first because it builds a bit faster, but on the other hand I'm not likely to get additional structures that I want to go up quickly early enough that the order of construction will matter much. Bell Towers are more tempting, if available, but on the other hand the unrest levels are probably fairly low in the very early game anyways, since if you're like me you won't be taxing your empire at more than the 'low' level (and more likely you'll have taxes at 'none') simply because your empire is so poor that it doesn't provide an appreciable amount of income anyways; the Merchant likewise goes out the window for tax-related reasons. Piers provide too small a bonus to consider unless you just really need a bridge across the river, and moreover require that you're actually next to a river before you can consider building them.

Logging Camps are both useful enough to be worth building first and can have issues if they aren't built first (because they have to be built on a forest tile, not the city tile that used to be a forest or just in an arbitrary position in a city whose hub was adjacent to a forest tile when founded) to go before the Tower, but you have to have settled next to a forest in order to get it in the first place. Shard Shrines are variable, depending on how much you need early mana or the shard demons (if you have binding), but it requires a specific faction trait, and the usefulness of very early mana boosts is debatable, particularly when you can most likely cast Meditation on your first city and get more mana; the elemental shard you get from the shrine is also of variable usefulness, depending on what type of shard it is and what types of magic your sovereign and early champions have. Studies are a reasonable first build, but like shrines are only available through a specific faction trait. Bazaars are not useful until you have a reasonable amount of money production.

Usually, the tower is built first.  Why?  Getting the new hero outweighs the slim benefits of a bell tower or a cleric.  Maybe a logging camp first, but they are so rarely available. 

It is my opinion that the Tower of Dominion should be a 1 per faction building that designates 'Capital' status to the city. Building it in another city, destroys the other copy and thus moves the capital city to the new location where it is built.

This would give players the option to change which cities were the 'contiguous' cities, potentially reducing unrest penalties.

Extending this idea, heroes that join your cause should show up at the capital city...not at your sovereign's location. You now have flexibility as to which city that city will be.

Thanks for your thoughts all, very sensible and helpful.  

@ joeball123 - great comments mate on options for the start of the game.  

@ GFireflyE - I agree with everything you said, except i'd make it so the player has to destroy the Tower of Dominion before they can start building a "new" one in another city.  So if they want to relocate the captial it comes at a cost (the time taken to build a new one).

Fair enough. I was thinking the same thing to begin with, and I agree that there should be some kind of cost, however if you destroy before building, then for that duration: you have no capital. Thus, all your cities have non-contiguous unrest penalty, and heroes would not show up for hire until a new capital is formed.

If you are okay with that conceptual conclusion, mod away.  (I found out that I suck at modding...)

I most certainly would play with a mod that did that.

Another aspect to consider is that the AI would need to properly determine what city they want to have as capital such that they do not 'loop' construction between cities. Also, if an AI capital is destroyed, they must recognize this fact and assign a new capital to be constructed...

I suppose lastly, you could take it even one step further and have the Tower of Dominion include a 'summoning circle' styled effect (like in MoM) whereby all summoned creatures arrive at the capital instead of at the caster. This would significantly change the way players operate their mage heroes however...

I build it in my first Fort, which is generally the first city I try to create but there is sometimes exceptions.  The growth bonus is nice but the ignore # of city of unrest modifier is what makes it great for a fort city since they tend to be your main unit production centers. 

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Would very much like to implement that but it's not possible via modding unfortunately.  Well fairly sure it's not anyway.

The thing I'm thinking about is creating a unique Tower of Dominion for each race.  Not sure about it yet.

My approach as well.  First settlement is a fort, ^ production, and better troops - both necessary to kick start an empire/kingdom. 

Would love to implement that stuff you suggested but most of it is not possible via modding unfortunately

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