Founders Elite Really Worth It?

I just read through all of the Databanks material and it stated "Due to the expected longevity of Galactic Civilizations III, the new engine is strictly 64-bit and DirectX 11. This is to allow the game to continue to be improved and expanded well into the future.".

So my question is, how worth it will it be to order the Elite package? Would i really be saving that much money from purchasing the updates individually? Besides the ease of use with simply downloading the newest update when it becomes available.

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If one goes by GCs record I say yes.

Reply #2 Top

If Stardock ends up releasing as much expansion and DLC material as they have a habit of doing, which I do not doubt they will, then yes it will be a bargain package. At least if you compare it to buying every single items on release day where prices are highest.

But I do not think the founder Elite package should be seen as a mere ''bargain package'', I think it should be seen as a way for Fans of the GalCiv franchise to support Stardock and help them polish the game and make it great.

It is also a way for fans to express themselves in how they like GalCiv. I mean, I would probably not be paying 99$ for a game pre-order normally. I do it because it is GalCiv III. Personally I see being an early founder as part of the upcoming GalCiv III experience. GalCiv II is one my very favorite game ever and it's continuity means a lot to me. 

 

Reply #3 Top

If you look at Stardock's publishing record also you'll see that they have a habit of putting out several expansions per major release, even the original Galactic Civilisations had an expansion, the second had two, and Sins of a Solar Empire had three large expansions and several DLC packs. Looking at that trend I can only assume that GC3 will have at least two full blown expansions, plus a lot of DLC.

 

And most importantly, with the Founders Elite you never have to worry about missing content from being poor at the time or not realising it has come out, it's like they designed it for lazy people like me haha! :D

 

Fate,:beer:

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I would get the alpha. But its fifty fifty that I'll get it in time. And I thing I can get the beta around May at the latest. But probably before that. Its all very sad. :( and here you are waiting with your thumb in your mouth and your head up your but wondering what you should do! I had a dream Stardock released TEN DLCs last night, and I couldn't have it. Buy the Alpha and experience greatness. And I am not mad at you, so you know.

DARCA

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There is an old thread that asked more or less this same question; it can be found here:

https://forums.galciv3.com/449004

An economics-based perspective on how to determine whether or not it's worthwhile:

This depends on what criteria you use for "worthwhile". If we ignore interest and inflation, $60 is worth 6-12 DLC packs at $5-$10 each, or three expansions at $20 each, or something midway between those numbers. If we don't ignore interest, then assuming a 5% annual return on investment compounded monthly, that extra $60 is worth about 1 $6 DLC pack every 5 months for the next 5 years, with ~$10 left over at the end of that period. Another equivalency over the next five years would be 2 ~$34 expansions released 21 months apart.

Essentially, if you want to work out the value of the additional DLC packs and expansions that they must release, you need to bring the value back to the value in present-day dollars (I suggest assuming an interest rate of 5% per annum; you can compound it however you want and as long as you aren't assuming things go on too far into the future it won't significantly affect the results). Finding the break-even point is done by what's shown below:

$60 = sum(DLC1/(1 + I/100)^n1, ... , DLCN/(1 + I/100)^nN)

where DCL# is the cost of the #th DLC, I is the interest rate you're using (5% => I = 5), and n# is the number of compounding periods between now and whenever the #th DLC is purchased. You can do this using annuity formulas if you assume that you get 1 DLC per compounding period, too. When the right-hand side of the equation equals the left-hand side, you've found a break-even condition. Since we aren't guaranteed that all additional content will have a uniform price, you have multiple potential break-even points. I chose to assume that it would all be $6 DLC packs; if you assume that there will be three equally expensive expansions released at 1-year spacings, you're going to find a different break-even price, and if you choose to assume a mixture of DLC packs and expansions, all of varying prices, it's quite a bit harder to calculate.

What it boils down to is basically that $60 now is worth ~$77 dollars in 5 years, assuming 5% annual interest. Therefore, if we assume that we get everything we're going to get within 5 years of game purchase, the net future value of all of the stuff we get has to be ~$77 at the end of the five-year period, or the net present value has to be ~$60, for the deluxe edition to be economically worthwhile (this is not including the base game, only the cost of the add-ons, so I'm calculating these things based on the price difference).

This was originally in the thread linked. Note that this particular analysis was done as a comparison of the Founder's Elite Edition against the Founder's Edition; if I'm not mistaken, the standard edition costs $10 more than the Founder's Edition, so the above should be recalculated for a $50 price difference rather than a $60 price difference if you want to compare the standard edition to the Founder's Elite.

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It's a risk for sure.  It's a bit like going to the car dealership and taking them up on an offer to knock 10% off the price if you skip the test drive.  Actually, that's just pre-orders for a game that's already gone gold.  This is more like getting a deal on a car that isn't even done being built yet.

The reason I actually popped for this one was because Stardock has a pretty good history.  Elemental was a nasty blot on the record but they worked quite hard to make things right on that front.  Plus I really like these sorts of games so the chances of me getting 100 hours out of the very first game are pretty high, which means I won't consider myself "ripped off" even if no DLC comes out at all.

So that's how the numbers work for me.  You can certainly do it the normal way of waiting for reviews (and maybe some patches) before buying.  The chances are good it will cost you more but, if the game doesn't turn out well, you'll be able to spend your time and money somewhere else.  If you've got a ton of patience (and a massive Steam backlog) then you can just wait for the "complete" version to come out - maybe even wait for it to come out on sale.

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At times, yes I am like most when there having a REALLY bad day. I dont make it point to be rude though.

and I wanted to say that line because I just thought of it. :)

 

DARCA

Reply #9 Top

Quoting ZlothX, reply 7

It's a risk for sure.  It's a bit like going to the car dealership and taking them up on an offer to knock 10% off the price if you skip the test drive.

Not sure that comparison works...  that offer raises so many alarm bells, I'd probably run (not walk) away from the car in question.

Reply #10 Top

From a pure monetary aspect, Frogboy had this to say about it:

Quoting Frogboy, reply 75

The Founder's Elite edition is going to be, by far, the best deal. We have planned 2 or 3 major expansions plus god knows how many DLC packs over the next several years.

However, I would say, that the Founder's Elite Edition is primarily for GalCiv fans. If you don't have the same attachment to the series, or never played one of the games, you might be better off waiting.

Reply #11 Top

Thank you for all of the input everyone!

I already bought into the regular founders deal. So upgrading is only $60... But I'm not too excited about the Alpha access, since i don't have that much time at the moment to go through and play enough to find things that need to be worked on. I feel Alpha is more of a duty to help make the game better, rather than viewing it as an opportunity to play the game early...

With the history of releases from previous 32-bit GalCiv games, there seems have been a lot of extra content. So i would assume with that with 64-bit and the capabilities of computers these days, they have the abilities to release some amazing expansions/DLC's down the road! I'm not too worried about the quality of the game, if this game is like any other game they have produced up to this point, i'm sure it will be great!

Although I am a big fan of the game and love to support fellow Michigan companies, I don't think I can justify spending the extra $60 right now to upgrade to Elite. Plus, i am getting married in September. If my fiance found out i pre-ordered a game for $100 rather than putting that money in our wedding fund, i might not live to see another day anyway.... lol

I will be around for beta and am super excited for the final release of the game though!!!

Reply #12 Top

Congratulations, May you and your fiance be Fated to have a Sovereign marriage as long as you live!

Reply #13 Top

Wait five years, then buy everything on the steam sale for a few bucks.

:3

But seriously; I'm getting the elite version because in my opinion, Stardock deserves my faith and respect for their past actions and products. Giving them more up-front as a sort of gesture of trust is more important in my eyes than any sort of deal. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and pony up a hundred dollars if it at all helps with whatever.

I also want to name a star and be named in the credits :3

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Reply #14 Top

Stardock has gone on record saying they plan to put out $60+ worth of future content in terms of XPs and DLCs, so if you're 100% convinced this will be great, it's worth it.  

 

If you're not, you can wait.

Reply #15 Top

Quoting DARCA1213, reply 12
be Fated to have a

 

Now I just think you're summoning me on purpose Darca!

 

Quoting ParagonRenegade, reply 13
and pony up a hundred dollar

 

Have you got something stuck on your mind Paragaon? Ponies by chance haha?

 

Fate,:beer:

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Quoting Fate, reply 15

Have you got something stuck on your mind Paragaon? Ponies by chance haha?

....

 

...no  :3

Reply #17 Top

Stardock.  GalCiv3.  It's a no brainer.  I bought it the moment it was available automatically - no debate required, no doubt involved.  Done.

 

 

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Quoting Fate, reply 15





Now I just think you're summoning me on purpose DARCA!
 

Fate,

How else would I summon a half shit of a joker like you! I can't go to the singing bush. Say the magic chant, fire one bullet in the air, summoning the invisible swordsman. To point the way to you. Lol (the three amigos movie)

 

DARCA ( in all caps)