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Reply #4 Top

I'll join in the fun primal if you don't mind.

 

Giant Skelly event then undead uprising event has created this.. XD

 

And then there's Bonesplitter boar with a big wolf army to the east of my town capital.

 

Its kinda cool seeing that giant skelly dude among the horde of skeletons.

Reply #8 Top

I'd go with Curgen's Hammer.

Serrated Lonsword benefits assassins more due to crit chance buff.

Reply #9 Top

I'd normally go for the better initiative, but assuming you have amulets etc. to get the hero's initiative up, it's hard to argue with 66 attack, Overpower and Crushing Blow. So in that particular case, if this was a warrior who wasn't spellcasting particularly often, I'd go with Curgen's Hammer.

I can't remember the exact critical calculation, you can find it on the forums somewhere, but it's worth pointing out that you can get a critical and still be in the normal range of damage if you didn't cause a critical. So criticals are nice but in general I would have thought you should always go with the weapon with double the attack value. The Serrated Longsword does give +150% critical damage, but criticals are not guaranteed and may not cause as much damage as you think. Unless you have other bonuses you'd probably only do a critical one time every four or five attacks. 66 attack is always 66 attack, and that's before you consider the Overpower and Crushing Blow.

If you take into account initiative, assuming a base of 20, then the hammer would get to go 16/22 as often as the sword, so in an eleven turn battle the sword user would attack three more times. The sword also gets a counterattack, but even taking into account all that I still don't think this is enough to prefer the sword.

There are better swords which I would take for a warrior though, even against Curgen's Hammer.

Reply #12 Top

Quoting merlinme, reply 9
I can't remember the exact critical calculation, you can find it on the forums somewhere, but it's worth pointing out that you can get a critical and still be in the normal range of damage if you didn't cause a critical.

Critical hits deal double damage if there are no other critical damage bonuses involved, so the only way that a single-figure unit can have a critical hit which still falls into the standard damage range is if that unit rolls its bare minimum damage and has only the base critical damage multiplier. The Serrated Longsword shown above increases the multiplier to 3.5 (it adds 1.5 to the base multiplier of 2), so the bare minimum that you could manage with that weapon on a critical hit is 1.75 times your normal maximum damage.

The specific conversation you're speaking of is more likely to have been dealing with critical hits made by multi-figure units, in which case it's relatively easy to fall inside the normal damage range, as if X is the per-figure maximum damage and the unit contains N figures, the standard damage range goes from 0.5*X to N*X, while the critical damage range goes from X to 2*N*X.

As for which one I'd use? Probably the sword, because most of my champions that actually get involved in fights are spellcasters, so the critical damage chance and the critical damage bonus, both of which affect damage spells, are appealing, as is the initiative bonus. Curgen's Hammer might be good for a late-game Warrior supported by an army, though.

And yes, I know I'm a bit late to the party for replying to that particular run of posts.

@Above:

Is he threatening to kill himself if he doesn't join with himself? That man needs counseling.

Reply #13 Top

In this scenario Curgen's hands down. 6 Initiative 1.15 damage bonus (crit, crit dmg) does not make up for a 44 attack difference, crushing blow (+100% attack), + bash (1% chance to knock prone per 1 point of damage) by any stretch of the imagination. Then I realized Primal was joking but since I did all the math I'm posting this dammit. 

Reply #14 Top

Resoln is so damn dodgy!

 

Many many many skeletons was harmed in process of the war of Geddens, the last Resoln city and the dodgy oracle hiding in there.

In the end, even the dodgiest is overswarmed and slain!

Reply #17 Top

Quoting Primal_Savage, reply 16



Me doing my best impersonation of an AI! (I guess that's what happens when your neighbor has a technology you don't!!!)



 

Not enough pants, I'm not convinced :p

Reply #18 Top

Primal is going pantless! He's like the AI!