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Stay Out Of My Space!!!

Stay Out Of My Space!!!

One thing I would like to see in GC3 is the ability to close your space to other races.

Meaning, If they try to enter your space. they get a warning that doing so would provoke a war. And then they choose what they want to do. Ofcourse, Other races could close their space too.

 

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Reply #126 Top

Quoting Lucky, reply 124


Quoting joeball123, reply 12210% of the speed of light allows for ships to cover about 10 AU in 500 seconds, which would mean that in 3000 seconds we could cross the system.

Let's see now.

Basic information from WikiPedia:

 

An AU is the average distance from the surface of the sun to the earth (149.6 million KM, 92.956 million miles).

Pluto reaches a distance of about 49 AU from the sun, and if we can call that the radius of our solar system, gives us a

diameter of about 98 AU (about 14660.8 million KM, or  about 9109.69 million miles).

Since the light from the sun takes about 8 minutes and 17 seconds (about 497 seconds) to reach our earth, it would take a

ship traveling at 0.1c about 5000 seconds to travel 1 AU. That is quite a bit longer than 10 AU in 500 seconds.


While the outer edge of our solar system is still being debated, it appears that it may be between 200 AU and 50,000 AU

from the sun. it looks like a ship traveling at 0.1c would take between just under 2,000,000 seconds (about 1 1/2 years) to

about 29,700,000 seconds (almost 36 years) to travel across the diameter of our solar system.

Are my calculations off?

while the first half is right I think the second half is incorrect here's my math on it although I might be wrong

 

299 792 458          m / s    speed of light
299 792 45.8        1/10th speed of light

149 597 871        kilometers 1 au
149 597 871 000        meters 1 au


4990.  time in seconds to travel 1 au at 1/10th speed of light
83.2    time in minutes to travel 1 au at 1/10th speed of light
1.4      time in hours to travel 1 au at 1/10th speed of light
0.058   time in days to travel 1 au at 1/10th speed of light
11.6     time in days to travel 200 au at 1/10th speed of light
2887.8  time in days to travel 50000 au at 1/10th speed of light
7.9       time in years to travel 50000 au at 1/10th speed of light

23 days to to just under 16 years to cross our solar system assuming its 400 AU to 100,000 AU in diameter

Reply #127 Top

double post

 

Reply #128 Top

Well as long as everyone agrees that you should not be able to arbitrarily close off your borders without more force than the other guy have I'm satisfied.

Thanks for the updates. Next time I suggest something no more quoting from Scifi stories.

If I remember the dread lords manual correctly it said that game wise the distances in the solar systems and between solar systems were different.

I thought that the distance to pluto was 36 Au that's what my textbook on current astronomy said. Honestly sizes and distances change so much it doesn't really matter. The size of the solar system is debatable. They have found planets that are 100 Au from their stars. About including Pluto means that you are saying that pluto is a planet. I have no problem with that. Just remember that pluto is classified with a type of object with an estimated number between 150 and 3000 in our solar system. Only 40 of them have been discovered to date.

Rogue planets are fascinating. They estimate that their are twice as many of them as stars. I'm not sure if they are guessing that they are part of the Oort cloud or not. We really didn't cover them in class. Some can be Terran with or without an apnosphere, ice, or gas as far as I know. If they are in the Oort cloud they would be accompanied with a lot of planets.

 

Reply #129 Top

Quoting joeball123, reply 122
GCII drives are clearly affected by proximity to large masses; otherwise it would take virtually no movement time to traverse between worlds inside of a system.

It does, as has been explained here.

Quoting joeball123, reply 122
Operating ranges in GCII appear to be limited to within a few tens of "sectors", with each sector being a square 15 sectors on edge, although it is unclear if this is a drive constraint or a supply constraint.

It's a supply constraint, because the range increases, the more life support modules are on board. Also, one sector is a square of 15 parsecs on edge, not sectors.

Reply #130 Top

Quoting Gaunathor, reply 129

It's a supply constraint, because the range increases, the more life support modules are on board. Also, one sector is a square of 15 parsecs on edge, not sectors.

Really parsecs? Not AU?

 

Reply #131 Top

Quoting Lucky, reply 124
ship traveling at 0.1c about 5000 seconds to travel 1 AU. That is quite a bit longer than 10 AU in 500 seconds.

1 AU = 8 light-minutes = 480 light-seconds. So yes, I made a math error. Thanks for catching it. It's still too little time for ships with relatively normal speeds in GCII to be taking a full move action, unless the ships are either accepted take very different amounts of time for each move action or are accepted to sit still in space for large amounts of time.

Quoting Lucky, reply 124
While the outer edge of our solar system is still being debated, it appears that it may be between 200 AU and 50,000 AU

from the sun. it looks like a ship traveling at 0.1c would take between just under 2,000,000 seconds (about 1 1/2 years) to

about 29,700,000 seconds (almost 36 years) to travel across the diameter of our solar system.

Are my calculations off?

I used Neptune, which has an orbital radius of ~30AU. Using that, the system diameter is about 60 AU, which at 0.1c would take about 80 hours to cross. Using your figure of ~50AU for Pluto, I get 133 hours to cross the system at 0.1c. Since we don't really know where the edge of the solar system is in terms of where GCII drives can go to superluminal velocities, I just did the calculations for getting it away from the planets. Obviously there are much larger numbers that you could choose.

Reply #132 Top

Quoting yarodin, reply 130
Really parsecs? Not AU?

Yes, parsecs. Well, adjusted parsecs, to be precise. Take a look at the post I linked to above.

Reply #133 Top

I like the idea of border sensors..   Sort of like Mini spacestations.

 

I also like the idea someone mentioned about territory.  Planets inside territory could be consitered hostile when trying to colonize in someone else territory.

 

I would like the ability to add ships into orbit to protect colonized planets. I think that could solve many issues.  

 

the game play could go like this...  Pass border sensors, warning is sent about being in another territory.

get to planet, ships are in orbit, when the colony ship goes to land on said planet, a pop up box happens. If an AI is trying to land, a dialoge like,  We are the Torians, we would like to use this planet to help our people prosper, will you let us colonize this world?

Yes,  the colony ship passes, and it is now a torian world.   If No, the AI has the choice to goto war with you to land the ship. 

 

the player on the other hand, can now start a war and blow up the ship to show force of the territory, Or let the ship move on..

Reply #134 Top

Quoting yarodin, reply 130
Really parsecs? Not AU?

Yep. Parsecs. 15 AU wouldn't even get you out of our solar system.

Reply #135 Top

Quoting androshalforc, reply 126
while the first half is right I think the second half is incorrect here's my math on it although I might be wrong



299 792 458 m / s speed of light
299 792 45.8 1/10th speed of light

149 597 871 kilometers 1 au
149 597 871 000 meters 1 au


4990. time in seconds to travel 1 au at 1/10th speed of light
83.2 time in minutes to travel 1 au at 1/10th speed of light
1.4 time in hours to travel 1 au at 1/10th speed of light
0.058 time in days to travel 1 au at 1/10th speed of light
11.6 time in days to travel 200 au at 1/10th speed of light
2887.8 time in days to travel 50000 au at 1/10th speed of light
7.9 time in years to travel 50000 au at 1/10th speed of light

23 days to to just under 16 years to cross our solar system assuming its 400 AU to 100,000 AU in diameter

 Obviously I forgot to account for 24 hours in a day. Our calculations now match. Thanks.

Reply #136 Top

Yes, but sorta. Not really close the border, but more like set up a threat matrix. If there is starlane type of travel, that's one way to control who enters your systems, but otherwise, no real way that I can see. 

Reply #137 Top

Well this is in response to reply 115 and 118 if there is any idea that suggests that your space is closed off unless you have open borders then I don't want any idea remotely like this. I don't really care how the Ai views me encroaching their territory. I'm not talking about you trying to forcefully throw me out of your territory. Uf this is really to hard of an option then we can forget about the whole thing. You do always have the option of not using this option. I think the Ai should be programmed that because of the fog of war the Ai can't see anyone that they can't see. If you like I got a really good argument why we shouldn't have this option. If we hadn't even decided on what it means to close borders then I will change my position on this whole site, I'm cool with not having this option. 

Reply #138 Top

Quoting Lucky, reply 134


Quoting yarodin, reply 130Really parsecs? Not AU?

Yep. Parsecs. 15 AU wouldn't even get you out of our solar system.

That's right - otherwise, a planet 30-45 parsec (2-3 squares) away from its sun would be a bit on the frosty side... ;)

Reply #139 Top

Quoting yarodin, reply 138
That's right - otherwise, a planet 30-45 parsec (2-3 squares) away from its sun would be a bit on the frosty side...

Out of curiosity, where did you come up with a 10-15 parsec per tile number? The only things that I can see in that number range are estimates of the size of tiles in the neighborhoods of planets and stars, but those numbers are in AU, not parsecs.

Also, I'm reasonably certain that a planet 30-45 parsecs away from a star could not reasonably be said to be in orbit of that star, as that's something like 97.5-146.25 lightyears away from the star in real parsecs, rather than the 'adjusted' parsecs described in the post Gaunathor linked (if using 'adjusted' parsecs, all bets are off because the relationship between real and 'adjusted' parsecs isn't clear and varies with proximity to large masses; however, it is likely still a fairly extreme range because the distance between a star and its planets in 'adjusted' parsecs is about 1 'adjusted' parsec based on the way GCII displays star systems on the map).

Reply #141 Top

Quoting admiralWillyWilber, reply 140

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