The world is not fair. Suck it up and improve your army before next time

The REAL world isn't fair. But video games can be, because of this thing called "game balance".

Too much  "game balance" can make a game dul and less challanging.  I think what they need are Monster and Player options so people can fine tune how tough those units would be. For I do not want the Wildlings to be any weaker than they already are.

You can always set the world to "beginner". . Learn, rebuild, kill. 

Too many kids these days use the words fair and unfair when things don't turn out the way they like. I fear for this generation. 

Try fighting a banshee with no magic weapons. 1 unit, 9 attack, 28 hit points or less.... decimate any army you bring without magic weapons. The game is balanced with these wildlings, they are not a pushover and they are a threat. One must look at the special abilities of units before attacking units. I don't think anybody would complain that a single dragon ate a stack of 7 militia units.

I really like it when I have that shaman and decimate the enemy armies with that simple coal stone spell. Such a powerful attacker and still can be the death of you, if you rely solely on that spell.

Shamans with Coal Stones is one of the reasons I love this game. Always, always check out your opponent before attacking, and even then, be prepared for a surprise that you'll remember for the next game(s). 

Yeah, the coal stones spell is pretty "out there". It's better than fireball, hits everything, no "aiming" required, no casting time, and those shamans just happen to have very high initiative to boot. Very deceptively strong considering wildlings are otherwise just slightly buffed darklings. 

It's not that bad and it's not the worst you can encounter, it's just that it's a "noob trap" and if you don't know about it it catches you with your pants down (and burned). 

There are several ways of dealing with the wildling shaman. When you build troops you should note that their defense is useless against fire damage. You need fire resistance and that will keep your units alive. It's not that hard to give you units fire resistance with natures cloak. If you are playing altar you have fire resistant leather armor.

It should be a 1 turn spell. The spell has a cool down of 5 turns and I've used this spell against other armies. Throw in some well protected mage units and the shaman is dead in short order. The shaman is not meant to be defeated in the early game, it is towards the middle to late game type of monster. I consider the shaman a boss type character, and keep in mind that level matters when fighting this character. If he is level is 10 the fire damage is 20, if his level is 15 the fire damage is 30.

If you make the casting time 1 turn, then there is no challenge in defeating the shaman. He would be dead immediately since there is counter spells and other things to stop the spell from occurring in the first place, and thus he is not a boss character just another bear cub to kill.

Now fireball has a casting time, but notice that it also doesn't have a cool-down time. Fireball also has a big fire damage potential for the player, 18 + 4 per fire shard. My last game around turn 100 I had 5 fire shards... that equates to 38 fire damage. Coal stone equivalent to having a level 19 shaman for fire damage. I don't think anything needs to be changed with coal-stones.

One of my favorite Champ acquisitions is the Wildling Shaman dude.  Turnabout is fair play with that spell.

That being said, I don't have a problem with the spell per se.  As other posters have already mentioned, going in unprepared against a Wilding Shaman, or with wounded troops, should have consequences.  As such the Wilding Shaman isn't on my OP list.

However, IMHO there is a general disconnect between game balance overall and balanced combat values.  The Stardock guys and others here have tried really hard to balance other parts of the game, and have tried to balance the 'current state' of attack values and such, but a Champion that gets a high power weapon in the early game can really destroy any semblence of balance between units of opposing factions.  And if you end up with that stack of doom in the early game thanks to a few lucky acquisitions, well the AI is hard pressed to cope with that...

My issue here isn't the rare weapon, it's the jumping from say an attack of 9 to an attack of 22 (or even higher) in one go.  Due to the way Attack Versus Defense is calculated, this really underscores the comment you've heard before about glass cannons.

I think that overall, the spread between low power weapons/attacks versus the higher values is just a bit much.  Triple the attack value actually results in a much stronger attack strength than you'd think just looking at the values.  While this does speed up combat (essentially the Overpowered unit goes hog wild striking down opponents, until the enemy gets a chance to take him out, assuming they ever get the chance), I think it doesn't help balance much.

This was something a few of us tried to address during the E:WOM days, before essentially dropping the ball.  Sure, weapon versus defense balance is much better now than it was, but I don't think we are quite there yet, as far as balancing early game/low level attacks against the later game/high value attacks.  The tech tree looks better in this regard (anyone remember the 46 Attack hammers or whatever from the old days?), but I'm just not feeling a true 'balance'.

This wouldn't be so important if this game was 'adventure' oriented instead of 4x oriented, but where we've spent so much time trying to 'balance' the game in other regards (research accumulation, population growth and such), well this just seems like an outlier to me.

I actually do still have this on my to do list.   While I can't speak for Kenata and the others from back in the day, at the time I kinda gave up because the game kept changing significantly between patches (minor changes, but going from say individual mana to global mana for example is a HUGE change).  1.0 EWOM is a completely different game than 1.4 EWOM, even if you take crashes out of the equation.

The one thing I can say about E:LH is that the mechanics changes I'm seeing now (encumberance aside) have been minor in comparison, with the 'current state' being preserved quite well since official release (no re-inventing the wheel at this point), which makes Modders much more content, and willing to try to tackle such things.

Essentially, this is a put up or shut up kinda thing though.  Until I can actually SHOW that there is a better approach (value wise) regarding attack versus defense, well it's just my opinion.  Fortunately, thanks to the Modding capabilities we have, I can actually try to show what I mean, but there are a LOT of values to consider, so it will take time.  And right now I'm getting other mod goals out of my system so I'll get to it eventually. But, since this thread brought this up, I felt the need to share my thoughts at least.

  Well you could always just make sure your armies have some fire resistance items and then those shamans become easy kills. Being well prepared always pays off. Do you really want a game where a base no resistance troop steam rolls everything?

I don't think it's unfair.  You can see the exact stats and abilities of every unit you will go up against when you attack that wild army.  You can see before combat what Coal Stones does.  You don't have to attack them.  If I attack them, it's because I brought the right kind of army, and/or because I can some strategic spells on the army before entering tactical combat (Freeze is a good one because it lowers initiative).  There are many ways to deal with the Wildlings' army.  Throwing a bunch of regular units at them is not one of them.

Just like everyone is saying, learn to avoid things you cant handle until later, nothing is "forcing" you to kill them.

I havent played 1.2 yet, but deadly creatures wandering my lands while I am wearing leather is just the way it is (was?)

If they dont move from their lairs now, then just wait before you attack them, shouldnt be an issue?

I havent honest ever had any problems with the Shamen, maybe its just me?  I dont attack them tho when I am rocking my starting spearmen and militias...and Coal Stones hit for like 7-15 damage or so?

So yeah a noob army would get owned, but anything other than a starter army should /yawn at them.