If your faction uses masterwork chain mail, is that now enabled by the plate proficiency?  Or is the plate proficiency useless in that case?  I'm not far enough along in my current game to test it out.

masterwork chain reduces initiative by 3, so i guess it counts as chain armor (likewise, light plate is -6 init so it probably counts as plate)

Masterwork chain mail is chain mail.  So plate mail proficiency wouldn't be required to help you equip it.  But you may still want it if you fine plate mail in the world you want your champion to wear.

Perhaps consider requiring chain proficiency or even plate for tower shields?

I would second this...

That sounds reasonable.

That makes sense, especially for the champion's armor further along in the magic tree.  Thanks.

Would it make more sense to change it to medium and heavy armor proficiency instead of chain and plate? Seems like that would also accommodate adding in the requirements for shields better. I'm all for having a tower shield require plate proficiency, but the term doesn't make as much sense. You could then also make it so that some/most shields require the medium armor proficiency, too.

Yes, I think Medium and Heavy Armor Proficiencies is a good way of doing the armor proficiency thing.  It allows a lot more tailoring and customising for balance.

It would allow modders to not have to change the name of these proficiencies.

Great patch!

Forgetting multiplayer, LH seems to be stripping away all the legacy baggage FE carried over from WoM. Its just amazing how much more of a polished experience it is overall, its like playing an entirely different game (ignoring bugs that happen with beta development of course). I don't mean to nag but it would be nice if we could do something with all that water though, even if we don't have units that travel on it there should be some nice advantages for settling on the coastline even if its basic food/gildar bonuses like river structures. Maybe a medium level port structure that lets you move to another port enabled city at the cost of a couple turns.

I also sign the petition to have Medium and Heavy armor types haha

Sneaky Steam...

I was all set to update my LH to 0.80 today (being mindful of my 5 GB/mo download cap), and I couldn't see an option to update.  So I open LH, and see I've already been playing 0.80 for a bit!

So, yeah, sneaky Steam strikes again!  Dunno when I had my internet open while Steam was active the last few days, but apparently I wasn't paying close enough attention.

Back to playtesting!

As much as I agree with you about the missing focus on the oceans, I'd rather want them to do it properly in an own expansion pack then spending time on half-OK'ish solutions now.

One of the great plusses for ocean and navy features are that the ocean will never fill up with cities (only on islands). It will be a fun open place to explore much longer much probably. The same can be said for caves and subterranean worlds as well, they could have no possibilities for building cities and mostly have creatures thriving under the ground.

With such features, pluss some sieging rules/features perhaps, this game would be truly epical. The potential here is wast!

But to make these things right we need an own expansion pack with these features as the main focus! Halfway solutions creates more pain then fun I'd say.

I just love defnder class now: its perfect.

Mage sumoner trait is also good done, however id like summoner to have some active skills related to their summons. Because now i summon my elements before combat and during it i am bored, yeah i can probably put hsste or heal them with life what i ussualy do... but its feel to linear after some battles. So i think summoner is nice with his pets but he is bored during combat itself. Pyro the man spell costs 500 mana for 3 actions in battle. Come on... Used it on boss fight at gate quest - he made one hit (for 20 damage) got stunned and dissapeared after stun weared out... yeah i could get more use from 500 of mana Fire elemental lacks either defence either HP compared to air elemental which you can have like 10 or more levels before fire one. Grave and earth elementals awsome and perfectly fits what they are for however. So at the moment i would never took a fire sumoner tree... unles i had points for bouth then why not.

Mage damage tree again is... boring all i see is magic damage and spell hit traits thats all... Damage spells all the same. You could ad to each different effect so it would be damage + effect. For example: lightning does dmg and stuns (reduces initiative for 2 turns). Flame dart does damage and ignites for 20 perc of its damage every turn for 3 turns. Ice shard: has 1 hp and under splash, cleave exploeds by doing dmage, trap - causes damage and makes loose turn and so on.

Warior tree: healing traits to far. I need healing when i am small not when i am 20 lvl with plate. Again plate for warior is even more important than to defender, because warior tends to use 2h weapons and already lacks of defence. Defender can spam heal or his skills because his role is not to do much damage, while warior is damage dealer so i dont like to be forced to take life II in order to constanty heal myself insted of dealing damage.

Assasins damage seucks till very end game because it becomes visible after armor ignoring trait tree which is quite deep and far and seems as a must to take if you want to do some impact at combat at all... I dont want to talk about range assasin because it caused me so many dissapointment.. warior however proved much more effective with bow because of his damage boost traits. And find a bow in game is close to mirracle...

Never tried governors trait, i just dont find idea of keeping hero sitting in town at all. It interfferes with my hero icon. And hero with only passives is something mehhhh... I know every one tells its awsome, but still whats so owsome to bring it just so it could stand and watch ???