MS Hacked

Just goes to show... NOBODY IS SAFE!!!

Oh, well allrighty then.....as you were.

Awright...awright. Back to work. Nuthin' to see to here. Move along now..............move along.........................zip...shuttin' up. 

Wonder if Microsoft was using Internet Explorer when this happened.

C'mon, it's full of holes, they know that... which is why MS uses Fireox; Safari; Chrome; Maxthon; Opera; Netscape; Comodo Dragon.... anything but f**kin' Internet Explorer.

Its easy to make light of this but this is another example of a growing problem.

Massive scale organised state hacking instigated by the Chinese Government, we [the west] are at war but our leaders don't want to face the truth. Probably because they have allowed something like 80% of our productive capacity to relocate there.

Sooner or later this is going to escalate into something.

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/google-boss-blasts-china-as-a-tech-menace-and-hacker-50010331/

https://forums.wincustomize.com/440440

Okay, so does anyone have the short list........you know, the one that shows who hasn't been hacked.  

TwoWolves, you are right.  You're government, and mine allowed too much industry to be exported offshore and too many local manufacturing jobs to be lost.  Of course it will come back to bite us.  First off, most of our manufacturing infrastructre is in a state of disrepair or is simply gone, so that when we again need to make our own, we can't, well not without great expense... and who's going to foot the bill?  Secondly, the Chinese manufacturing and economic bubbles will burst.  Why?  Because China is still wracked with poverty issues, corruption issues, and an economy that's fragmented and not the most stable among leading world economies.  And when those bubbles burst the US and other foolish countries who more or less handed the Chinese their industries on a platter will face shortages of many consumer goods and various essentials, thus causing an economic meltdown as stores fail to keep up with demand and have to lay off staff.

Paint a pretty dark picture, don't I?  Yeah, well I've seen it coming for years, as I watched Australian industries base their manufacturing operations offshore to exploit cheap labour and make millions from it.  I've watched factories fall into disrepair and/or get torn down, so when we really need them again to make our own goods, they just won't be there... and our f**king businessmen won't spend up to get it going again. Oh no, they'll expect government to prop up their sorry asses after bailing out on Australia for greater profit. 

Yeah, our entire retail industry will go down the toilet as it'll have little or nothing to sell... and we're only a small country compared to the US [population-wise], so the problems there will be tenfold or more when China goes guts up... and/or simply refuses to trade anymore.  And then there's all the US loans and sureties the Chines hold.  Yup, the situation is the creation of past and present business and government leaders, yours and ours, yet those bastards will be the first to invoke the patriotic call and get the ordinary bloke to get 'em out of the shit.... either as cannon fodder or as slave labour.

Yup, bet your sweet bippy on it.

And if you don't have a bippy, you can borrow one from China and bet on it.

Jafo hones his knives.

Your.    

Problem could be solved in 90-180 days.  Agree to work for what the foreign labor works for.  Factories will be back.

He can hone his knives all he wants... I've already been... yeah, well, that's another story for another time... or is that ty'me?

If they're still there... even operational.  Saw a documentary about factories in and around Detroit... many had been ransacked as they lay idle; many had their machinery ripped out and melted down for scrap; others were just demolished; and others had been converted into residential lots.  According to the documentary, it was just more of a continuing pattern right across the States.  Moreover, much of the manufacturing workforce, like it has been in Australia, has been retrained in other areas... IT, and the like, so there are few experienced/qualified factory workers to fill positions ... IF they were created. 

No, and sadly so, manufacturing in Australia and the US [many other Western nations] is of a bygone era, and simply selling servces doesn't cut the mustard economically.  I keep hearing Wayne Swann, our Treasurer say how good a shape the Australian economy is, but without a true manufacturing base to that economy, and there isn't, not any more, he's talking shite and concealing the fact that Australia is in deep shit economically.  No doubt you have a similar idiot in Washington spinning the same crap.

A lot more than just one, actually...

The best prevailing wage locations are where the companies will go.  The only way to bring manufacturing back, in any meaningful way, is to eliminate (or make trivial) corporate taxes (it is truly double taxation, anyway) and enact right-to-work laws where they don't exist.  Let the unions compete for members - if what they provide is valuable enough to them, they'll join.  Things have to make economic sense for companies to resume manufacturing here (or Oz).  If we don't provide an economic climate conducive to manufacturing, it won't happen.  Expecting patriotism to be enough is wishful thinking, as has already been clearly demonstrated.

Of course, the flip side of the equation is lower consumer cost of goods, enabling a higher standard of living.  Markets are like water - they will slip through cracks and find level.

They probably hacked themselves.

"gotta get rid of that win8" they said to themselves...

idk why everyone hates IE. What are these "holes" everyone is talking about? I've been using IE for as long as I can remember and I've been fine. Maybe you all just need to learn how to secure yourself better rather than depend on the software to do it for you.

Exactly!!!  Which is in Asia... ie, China, India, Taiwan, etc.  And while the companies would hasten to pull the patriot card if they needed a local workforce for drt cheap, next to eff all, there was eff all patriotism when they pulled the plug on millions of local jobs.

If it sounds like I'm angry about what happened in the US to tens of thousands of workers, yes, I am.  I'm angry for them and their families, and I'm angry brcause whatever your mongrel bosses did to them, our mongrel bosses took a leaf out of their book and found ways to hurt our workers and their families even more.  Not only did they relocate jobs offshore, many went into liquidation, declared bankruptcy and workers lost all their entilements they'd worked hard for, some of them decades.

Sadly, the horse has bolted in many industries and there is nothing to bring it back to.  One of the main reasons for that is that the companies who profitted immensely aren't going to plow any of it back into the economy to restart manufacturing on any grand scale. No, they're just going to take the money and run.  I mean, put yourself in their shoes.  If you hatched a scheme to reap a greater profit at the expense of your workers, would you relinquish control of that profit, and risk losing it to provide jobs for people who'd like to see you at the end of a rope for the betrayal?  Like I said, they'll take the money and run. And why ordinary people, everyday Americans support Capitalism beats me when the people running it are self-serving greedy bastards who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

Bit of an oversimplification, that.  What keeps it going is the opportunity to become one of those self-serving greedy bastards.  Except that virtually no company was ever successfully built with that goal, and no other, in mind.

Not sure you can blame Management more than the Unions. Look what happened at Hostess recently. Instead of taking the business off shore, the were forced to close. The Union workers demanded raises to the point that Hostess could no longer afford to pay the wages.

Sad thing is, now as taxpayers, we have to foot the bill for these Union workers that gambled and lost. Talk about BS.

A company has to stay competative to stay in business. That means controling expenses while maxamizing profit for the shareholders. Do you really think most employers want to take the jobs offshore? No, they only do it when the workers wages have reached a point that they are no longer affordable.

Here's one that most people in the US won't see coming...a lot of them may be losing thier heath care benifits. With Obamacare, that was forced onto the American employers, it may end up being cheaper to pay the fine than it will be to pay for health insurance. What do you think employers will do in that case?

With this President spending us into debt that our children will never be able to pay and wanting to raise taxes, I wonder if income from the fines to further fund his spending spree were his plan all along.

Obviously the successful companies with longevity have balanced out profit and customer satsifaction, and there are a few businessmen who have given back greatly to benefit humanity and the environment.  However, that small handful of businessmen/women who make charitable donations do not change my cynical view of the majority.  Most I've met would steal their granny's purse and sell it back to her empty.

Not at all what happened.

Over many years, Hostess' assets were sold off.

If you'd like some real history (like union workers refusing a 17% pay cut while executives voted themselves raises), look at this Snopes article:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/hostess.asp

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Perhaps Hostess was a bad analogy.

I wasn't there so I can't tell you exactly what happened or why the pay raises were allowed. Perhaps the raises were allowed because of the additional hours that management were working due to the bankrupcy. One thing you failed to mention, a few of the managers turned down the raises and some took a pay cut. Some even worked for $1.00 a year.

Either way, at the end of the day the taxpayers are flipping the bill for it.

BTW, don't rely on Snopes to be 100% correct as they are not all the time. It's kinda like believing that everything in Wikipedia is factual and doesn't lean to the left.

Actually Hostess was bought and sold some 118 times.... all its assets were stripped and ended up without the asset funded health/pension plan... 

No matter. Snopes isn't perfect, but it doesn't have any political leaning I've managed to detect - possibly because it deals with so much right and left leaning crap put out for willing mass consumption.

Very hard to glean truth anymore.

You hang with a tough crowd.

That is a indeed a cynical, and wrong, view of the majority.  Most are just like my (late) father, small businessmen/women/persons entirely dependent on customer satisfaction for survival.