Java - deleted

So, I've been deleting Java slowly off my computers: my laptop about 3 months ago, my home desktop about 3 weeks ago, and probably my work desktop later this week. So far everything has been smooth sailing.

Just wondering if anyone has any input on this... any pitfalls I'm not aware or should be on the lookout for?

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A lot of things require Java. Do you plan to just not use those things?  Just asking.

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Okay, I'm just a little confused, don't we need Java on our computers in order to do things like see websites correctly?   :S

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Well. we "need" Java like we need Flash. While I suspect Flash is more commonplace, ubiquitous, both are just different technologies that enable content delivery and display. Neither are *necessary*, as such, but that depends if you want Flash content - or not. lol

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Quoting Philly0381, reply 2
Okay, I'm just a little confused, don't we need Java on our computers in order to do things like see websites correctly?  

confusing it with JavaScript maybe? similar name, but something else. not many websites still use Java, mostly for complex web-apps.

 

i deleted Java half a year ago. the only thing i noticed is the seat-selector of an event tickets site. i get my tickets in a store in town now.

of the desktop apps i think everything except Minecraft can be easily replaced. i did not even have a desktop app that required Java.

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Quoting Philly0381, reply 2
Okay, I'm just a little confused, don't we need Java on our computers in order to do things like see websites correctly?  

Ya if a specific web page is using it.  For awhile Java was more prevalent, I don't think it is so much anymore, seems to have been replaced by other "stuff".  I haven't had it installed in years.  I suppose if you're wondering if you really need the plugin in your browser you could disable it for awhile and see if that trips you up on anything important.

I did have a specific utility app that was written in Java, but just the one.  Left the utility and Java a long time ago.

edit- guess we pretty much said the same thing at the same time.

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If you want to let nVidia scan your PC for driver updates, you need Java, not javascript.

 

This is just one example.

 

Yes, your PC will run fine without Java, but some things won't work. If they are things you can live without, uninstall it.

 

I like, and use Jave occaisionally, so I'll keep it. It's really just a matter of choice.

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And just FYI (grins and giggles) :

JavaScript and Java

A common misconception is that JavaScript is similar or closely related to Java. It is true that both have a C-like syntax, the C language being their most immediate common ancestor language. They are both object-oriented, typically sandboxed (when used inside a browser), and are widely used in client-side Web applications. In addition, JavaScript was designed with Java's syntax and standard library in mind. In particular, all Java keywords were reserved in original JavaScript, JavaScript's standard library follows Java's naming conventions, and JavaScript's Math and Date objects are based on classes from Java 1.0.[17]

However, the similarities end there. Java has static typing; JavaScript's typing is dynamic (meaning a variable can hold an object of any type and cannot be restricted). JavaScript is weakly typed ('0.0000' == 0, 0 == "", false == "", etc.) while Java is strongly typed. Java is loaded from compiled bytecode; JavaScript is loaded as human-readable source code. Java's objects are class-based; JavaScript's are prototype-based. JavaScript also has many functional programming features based on the Scheme language.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript#JavaScript_and_Java

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Quoting moshi, reply 4
confusing it with JavaScript maybe?

Quoting RedneckDude, reply 7
JavaScript and Java

A common misconception

Yep, all this time I thought it was the same thing in a different box.  Sometimes rambling is good. ;)

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Quoting RedneckDude, reply 1
A lot of things require Java. Do you plan to just not use those things?  Just asking.

 

So far I have yet to have anything tell me: "Hey, you need Java to run this!" on either my laptop or home desktop. Use a bit different line of things on my work desktop, hence having not tried it there yet.

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Quoting Leo, reply 9
So far I have yet to have anything tell me: "Hey, you need Java to run this!"

Only because you need Java to see that sentence displayed.  ;)

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Quoting DrJBHL, reply 11


Only because you need Java to see that sentence displayed. 

lol, fair enough. I can re-phrase that to, nothing I have tried running since has failed to launch and run.

 

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Matter of time, tho.

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Java serves a useful function and doesn't have any major issues that I am aware of, so why are some people so freaked out about Java of late anyway? o_O

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Quoting RedneckDude, reply 13
Matter of time, tho.

Possibly, suppose I'll take that on a case by case basis for each computer as I come across something that needs Java. Depending on what it is, or whether there is a non-java replacement, I'll make a decision then.

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Quoting LightStar, reply 14
Java serves a useful function and doesn't have any major issues that I am aware of, so why are some people so freaked out about Java of late anyway?

Not really freaked out, it was more I was just sicking of seeing the updates all the time, and started wondering about whether I really need it. So far, I have seen zero (not close to zero, but actual zero) programs I use requiring it. This may change in the future of course, and I'll make any decisions at that time. And it's not like this is a hard program to re-install.

If you do know some useful function it serves that I am missing out on though, please fill me in, that is precisely why I started this thread. I didn't start it just to bad-mouth Java or talk everyone else into jumping off the bridge with me, I am genuinely interested in a need it is/was filling.

Thus far, I am happy to see it gone.

 

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Quoting LightStar, reply 13
Java serves a useful function and doesn't have any major issues that I am aware of, so why are some people so freaked out about Java of late anyway?

 

Java has massive security issues and Oracle is slow releasing patches. 

article on Ars Technica today: 

Critical Java zero-day bug is being “massively exploited in the wild” Your fully patched installation of Java isn't safe.

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Well, that's OK moshi, a person just needs to employ other methods to make themselves invisible on the Internet so that vulnerabilities like those could not be exploited in the first place. Software companies, even Microsoft, are open to these type problems all the time, it's just something you have to be aware of and live with basically until they provide fixes.

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Quoting LightStar, reply 18
until they provide fixes

and four months is a little to long for my taste. that was the point when i got rid of it. and the only thing i noticed was one single website.

but sure, if you use Java sites or apps often, then keep it. the only thing mentioned on this thread was an nVidia driver updates scanner though. ;)

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Quoting Leo, reply 15
Not really freaked out, it was more I was just sicking of seeing the updates all the time, and started wondering about whether I really need it.

That's where I got to as well.  "Why am I even bothering with this?"

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Quoting LightStar, reply 18
Well, that's OK moshi, a person just needs to employ other methods to make themselves invisible on the Internet so that vulnerabilities like those could not be exploited in the first place. Software companies, even Microsoft, are open to these type problems all the time, it's just something you have to be aware of and live with basically until they provide fixes.

Tom is correct. A tight run ship need not worry too much about these things.

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Quoting Leo, reply 15
Not really freaked out, it was more I was just sicking of seeing the updates all the time

Those can be disabled. No big deal.

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I didn't install Java during the last OS refresh in November and, in over 2 months, I haven't come across a single thing that requires it. Flash on the other hand is a different story. I tried to go without Flash at first but kept running into sites that wouldn't function without it.

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Quoting Hankers, reply 23

Quoting LightStar, reply 13Java serves a useful function and doesn't have any major issues that I am aware of, so why are some people so freaked out about Java of late anyway?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/10/us-java-security-idUSBRE90919X20130110[/quote]

 

Yeah, I read that in the past Hankers, but hell, if we paid attention to everything like that we'd have to disable Windows itself. :P