No i was thinking of having an enchanted armor version of masterwork armor and then have an enchanted version of crystal Armor but then realized I could not combine them as it would then require both armors to have both crystal and metal.  Not sure I want to do that.  Instead I could make it so that you can enchant both versions but not sure if that breaks the spirit of the game for magic items being made of crystal.

OK I have been working on the techs some more, I have a solid path progression and a finalized model but I can't get the techs to show up.  Is there something specific on getting new techs to appear?  I have a clear diagram for the tech trees for Warfare and Magic.  I am going to add masterwork versions of leather, chain and plate.  There will be a crystal version of chain and plate.  There will also be crystal versions of weapons.  Once both crystal weapons, simple and advanced, and armors, chain and plate, are researched the magic forge will be unlocked.  After the magic forge is unlocked and masterwork plate is unlocked then champion armor will be unlocked and the same for weapons.  If requested I will make a paint document with a bx diagram showing the paths, I literally worked out the paths for the techs on a white board in about an hour.  Now if only the new techs would show up in game.  I attached something to each of the new techs but the game does not recognize them.  Any help would be appreciated.

Sorry if this isn't the clearest picture, I am too excited about having a clear plan to word this better.

Never mind I just realized I didn't add the new techs to the Tech Tree file so nothing showed up.  Ah well.  I will try to get this out by the end of next weekend as time permits.

That's okay. I just realized I took all the goodies out of Arcane Apparel, but forgot to delete the tech. 

Once I get this finished I will need some help making it modular.  At the moment its not even close to being compatible unless someone is putting this in their core files and then putting the other files in the mod folder.

Progress:

Techs:                 Done

Weapons:            Done*

Crystal Weapons:  Done*

Magic Weapons:    Done*

Leather:              Started

Athican Leather:   Started

Chain:                 None

Heavy Chain         None

Plate:                   None

Light Plate:           None

Crystal Chain:       None

Heavy Crystal Chain:  None

Crystal Plate:        None

Light Crystal Plate:  None

Magic Chain:         None

Heavy Magic Chain:  None

Magic Plate:          Done*

Light Magic Plate:  None

Done* means its subject to balance still.  Everything will need a once and twice over for typos and such.  Needless to say I think this is finally starting to come together pretty nicely.

Progress:

 

Techs:                 Done

Weapons:            Done*

Crystal Weapons:  Done*

Magic Weapons:    Done*

Leather:              Done

Athican Leather:   Done

Chain:                 Started

Heavy Chain         Started

Plate:                   None

Light Plate:           None

Crystal Chain:       Started

Heavy Crystal Chain:  Started

Crystal Plate:        None

Light Crystal Plate:  None

Magic Chain:         Started

Heavy Magic Chain:  Started

Magic Plate:          Done*

Light Magic Plate:  None

Techs:                 Done*

Weapons:            Done*

Crystal Weapons:  Done*

Magic Weapons:    Done*

Leather:              Done

Athican Leather:   Done

Chain:                 Done

Heavy Chain         Done

Plate:                   Started

Light Plate:           Started

Crystal Chain:       Done

Heavy Crystal Chain:  Done

Crystal Plate:        Started

Light Crystal Plate:  Started

Magic Chain:         Done

Heavy Magic Chain:  Done

Magic Plate:          Done*

Light Magic Plate:  Started

Initial Release

Anyone try it yet?

Think you could put it in a single file for download?

Not sure how will try to figure it out.

I for one would like to see more choices in magic weapons as well.  I don't think it fair that there was only either fire or water at a tier for weapons AND there wasn't a 1hand and 2hand version.  Some people may not want to give up their shields.  Magic weapons seems all over .  

Anyways thats my take on it from the vanilla.  Sorry if it's a couple days late    Good luck with the mod. 

Files compressed.  Weapons tweaked a little.  Techs costs adjusted for tier values.  Let me know what you guys think.

Trying it out !


PS: As it was said, could be good if you .zip/rar all this files organized as they should be.
Not that it's too hard to read, instructions are clear and simple, this still may confuse some.

I am changing short swords to do half slash damage and half pierce damage as that is how they work.  I could also do this for daggers.  Basically they are sort of cross over weapons. With potentially adding the scythe for the two handed version of these.

Here is what I am planning on weapons.

Blunt

Slash

Slash/pierce

Pierce

With each of these types it would have three sub-types,

Fast one handed

Slow One handed

Two Handed

After this I will make the upgrade tiers like the armors as well as the talent weapons.

I am also in the process of changing the structure of this mod for armors and robes and sets of armor for troops and pieces for champions/sovereigns.  I am also going to have the piece meal armors only available from specialized improvements once the master tier is reached.  

Basically the armors will be changed to remove a crystal only version and the new tech path will be this:

Regular ==> Masterwork ==> Enchanted ==> Champion's

Enchanted will be in the magic tier and be dependent on which Masterwork armor you have researched and will be broken apart into individual research trees within the magic tree attached after enchantment.  So something like this.

Charms ==> Enchantment ==> (Apprentice Robes)   ==> Superior Enchantment   ==>  (Adepts Robes) ==>  Advanced Defense

                                             (Leather)          ==>                                         ==> (Champion's Leather)

                                             (Chain)            ==>                                         ==>  (Champion's Chain)

                                             (Plate)             ==>                                         ==>  (Champion's Plate)

Something similar to this is the final plan with weapons added in there as well.

I will keep the old version up there as its the most similar to the current armor weapon system in Elemental and what I am going to make as the mark II version is going to be a fairly large departure.

Alright I solved the weapon types along with speed/hands issue I have been trying to figure out.  Though I still don't know what to do about the AI for getting it to upgrade under a certain tier group using the AI the way it is without weapon prereq tags for skill types.  The only way I can currently think is to have the equipment preset on the premade unit types so that the unit can only upgrade with the weapon of the same type, I.G. 1H Blunt, and the same weight.  I know this is a horrible way to force a game mechanic but its working with what we have got.

Here is what I have:

1H Blunt Slow Attack

Club which is replaced by Mace and then mace is upgraded through the tech trees.

1H Blunt Fast Attack

Warhammer

2H Blunt

Maul

1H Pierce Slow Attack

Short Spear

1H Pierce Fast Attack

Rapier (Need to look to see if we even have a graphic)

2H Pierce

Long Spear / Pike

1H Cutting/Pierce Slow Attack

Short Sword

1H Cutting/Pierce Fast Attack

Dagger

2H Cutting/Pierce

Scythe (Need to pull th graphics from E:WoM I think for this one, that or Kenata's weapon mod)

1H Cutting Slow

Battleaxe and Longsword (Not sure what to do here as they both fit here and I like both weapons as they each have a niche)

1H Cutting Fast

Hand Axe and Broadsword (Same as above)

2H Cutting

Greataxe and Greatsword (Same as above again)

The only way I can differentiate on the ones that have more than one weapon in the same tier is to make the weights and attack values different. In theory this should give a VERY broad spectrum of weapons to work from.  If we can also get the mod to increase total number of armies then we can get more diverse and realistic armies to have battles with.

Alright so here are the Mark II armor numbers.  These are firm but not completely set in stone yet as I am not 100% sure on the additional training times yet.  Currently I think they may be too high but I am not sure because of the drastically increased benefits of the upgraded armors.

To make sure this is clear, full armor suits would only be available for troop training and champions/sovereigns would have to purchase the piece armors.  Chest and Legs have been combined into suits, all items that were in these two categories will be combined into armor sets.

Sigh double post.

I think I have the weapon stats pretty well normalized and differentiated.  Tell me what you guys think.  The plan is for the Masterwork upgrade is that if its a fast attack it gets a 1 attack boost, slow attack 2 attack boost, and two handed a 3 attack boost.  Ranged will be 1 for fast and 2 for slow.  Same for enchanted except add 5% accuracy and additional attack but elemental based for appropriate element.  Champion's upgrade will add more elemental based attack and additional accuracy and something else, not sure what, I put resistance on armors so not sure what to put on final tier weapons.  Anyhow here are the stats for tier 1 weapons.

I am making decent progress with the armor mod, but with the way I am doing it now it will take a while because I have to make a new building for each possible combination of selectable racial trait combinations.  I thought it was going to be a huge mess but turns out it was very easy just time consuming, you have to put multiple prereq restricedabilitybonus tags on each building so that it only turns on when someone has the specific type for that building.  Then have that shop unlock the desired items for champions.  I have all the normal full armor sets available for production for army units so it doesn't conflict with the AI.

So I ran into a new problem from trying to change where you can purchase armor when you have so many different variables of traits.

Between Wanderlust and defensive you need 4 different armorers to cover the variations. Then add Light Plate and regular chain and you have 8 different versions of armorers just at the chain level.  Do it again for the plate level and you have 16.  Again for each of the masterwork level and you can see how this will be a problem rather fast.  While its doable and its not especially hard it is vastly time consuming and I am not sure its in my and the mods best interest doing it this way.  I think I am fine doing it like this up to plate and masterworks will unlock the way old armor used to.  Keep in mind this is wholly for sov/champ armor so special orders.  As such I am going to increase the prices across the board for all special order armors to twice what I have it now to account for merchant mark ups.  That and it gives an epic feel for that set of champion's plate armor you just spent 20,000 gold on.

Welp I learned a valuable lesson today when attempting to use my mod after making changes for error checking.  The upgrade function sucks.  Basically if a weapon is changed to a different damage type it doesn't count toward the upgrade logic.  The full and partial suits work fine so I think I will just take the original version of the mod and make the conversions from partial suits to full suits and leave it as it until the upgrade system gets some love because man oh man it sucks.  That and I would like to see specific tags to force the AI to only use specific armor types for both upgrades and for unit types.  So I will polish the original version and shelve the more in depth version for now.

Been looking at this, halmal.  And I'm liking what you are putting into it.  Keep up the good work!

I am trying to figure out what direction to take this.  I will polish the original version for tech costs but I think I am going to make the second version into a more comprehensive change to the way armor is set up in the game and weapons will follow after.  There have been some really amazing discussions around the board about weapons and what roles they should have as far as what has armor piercing and what doesn't.  I am still working on what tiers to have for armor but I think I have a good setup going but with the way the techs work is somewhat a pain for upgrading armors.

I look forward to seeing your future work as well.