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jump starbase - complain

jump starbase - complain

Whats wrong with you people?

Its really iritate for me. I cant play vasari rebel because all say "jump starbase is too good, you cant play this race". You can choose this reace too people. Dont be like a child. Whats wrong with you guys? I like play aggressive. And i get always kick in the game because i want play this race. People argument "its too powerfull, i dont want play this race because i fill they are too strong but you cant play this race too". Are you f**cking kiding me? What the hell?

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Reply #26 Top

Well, you can make the argument that X isn't useful or necessary if you are already winning for anything. The point is, if you are losing, it can put you back in the game easily. It is obviously a defensive measure for the most part - although it can be used offensively as well once you've carved into enemy territory. It also can't be scouted the way Red Button can. It does have a downside (costs resources to get the planet pop back) and once the enemy knows you have it in certain chokes, obviously won't go there, but it's still really powerful. "Soooooo situational its barely worth a mention" is things like winning by culture taking over a planet or using Advent's Love Gun. Wail gets used most games I've seen or played in and definitely has an effect on the flow of the game. Teching up your shield and health points enough can mean the difference between losing all your ships or just having them lose all shields though. It is also obviously map dependent: last game I played had two terran leading to an asteroid choke - there was no way any frigates were making it through there alive. That's why I say it's really challenging to balance - because it can be really OP or it can be a semi non-factor depending on the map and the game flow.

Reply #27 Top

Then that being said you've let them do that, you could novalith it, you could culture it out, you could kostura yourself past..

And if you keep pressure on they won't really get a good burst off, you have to wait for a decent amount of population. ALways assume the advent reb you're playing has it, then you dont need to scout, just avoid certain phase lanes/grav wells if you've scouted communion on them. 

Reply #28 Top

I was the one doing it, not on the receiving end. Avoiding whole phase lanes because they have a ToC on it somewhere? Investing in Novaliths or Kosturas (I'll ignore that culture wait suggestion as that's a silly amount of time and easily countered by...what already exists for the enemy) to counter a ToC? All really really disproportionate responses to something as simple as laying down a temple. You realize most games do not give you time or room to just "avoid certain phase lanes" out of fear of expecting it. It's too easy and powerful a deterrent - it takes zero skill to employ - I click - you die - haha have fun going the long way around. I'm partially playing devil's advocate but I've seen it enough to know it needs some tuning down. 

Reply #29 Top

That argument can be said with having 2 redbuttons covering the 2 sides of a grav well. Just bottling it off. 

And honestly if you play aggressively then you're not going to have the problem. As i said keep scouting and it'll pay off. And you can quite easily counter it until they either get a sb with endearing devotion or whatever... and then you can always jump your fleet through partially.. which can make it difficult to make a decision on using it or not? especially if you only kill 50 ships at the time when you have 400..

Reply #31 Top

Quoting OddskiBoddski, reply 31
 Just Saying........

Your lack of originality is apalling. Pick up your own 'beating a dead horse' gif instead of STEALING stuff the Almighty Troll King-Kitten Huffer-Abuser of Santa's Elves-MechaLenin found on the internet to post on this forum.

 

Reply #32 Top

Quoting Brazilian_Joe, reply 32

Quoting OddskiBoddski, reply 31 Just Saying........

Your lack of originality is apalling. Pick up your own 'beating a dead horse' gif instead of STEALING stuff the Almighty Troll King-Kitten Huffer-Abuser of Santa's Elves-MechaLenin found on the internet to post on this forum.

 

 

What, the troll king can't be annoyed like the rest of us mortals?