Some Diplomacy Questions

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So I played a long game of Rebellion, against AI, yesterday after having exclusively played Sins so I missed all of the Sins: Diplomacy changes. 


So I've slowly been figuring out how to make other empires like me but I can't figure out how to get my own rating of them up to even positive levels. It seems like I'm at the mercy of the AI doing my missions and sending envoys. I have the other empire's rating of me at around 10 but that doesn't let request any agreements or pacts. 


The other thing I'm confused on is how to use envoys. They seem to buff friendly empires and increase relations but I can't get any agreements like a cease fire so I can't even get them into other player's space to even learn how they work. What's their practical function in an example other than to get relations above 10?

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Reply #1 from Sins Forums Top

I find if you research all the relations techs ASAP, and do a lot of fighting with a player you're both enemy with, you'll get a ceasefire with at least 1 AI eventually. The AI also has to be fighting someone you don't like, if they're just sitting their (seems to be a problem with this beta) or fighting a friend of yours it may prove very difficult to get a ceasefire. Also make sure to give a trade deal, as mutual trade also boosts relations. Also if you have a good opinion with an AI but it doesn't particularly like you (though that doesn't sound like your problem), bribes are a good way to get a ceasefire which you can then cement with envoys.

Technically you can use envoys on enemy planets, but yeah you basically need a ceasefire to prevent the AI ships from shooting at you.

Reply #2 from Sins Forums Top

I started a new game with what you said in mind and it turned out a bit better. It seems like starting with the -5 I think for being the opposite faction is just too much to overcome in getting your rating of another faction high enough for trade. I was just unlucky enough to choose the opposite of all three of the AI's in my first game. 

 

So the current game I am playing, I have a few that I've gotten ceasefire with and one is even reciprocating envoys and I've built up a peace treaty with them. My other two friendlier AI's are high enough for a ceasefire but they won't send Envoys to build my approval of them so I'm stuck at about 5 approval for them and they have something like 12 for me. 

 

One AI gave me a mission to send an envoy to one of their gravity wells, can I give them the same mission so they actually start sending some? 

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Reply #3 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting R3DT1D3, reply 2

One AI gave me a mission to send an envoy to one of their gravity wells, can I give them the same mission so they actually start sending some? 

 

Yes.

Reply #4 from Sins Forums Top


So I've slowly been figuring out how to make other empires like me but I can't figure out how to get my own rating of them up to even positive levels. It seems like I'm at the mercy of the AI doing my missions and sending envoys. I have the other empire's rating of me at around 10 but that doesn't let request any agreements or pacts. 

 

This is actually not a problem for me at all, even when playing versus the tougher AI types. At the start of a game, when you're shooting for the magic 4.50 relationship number for a Ceasefire; just offer them missions they can complete or reject quickly. That is, offer them the "Give Credits / Metal / Crystal"; it takes the AI about 10 seconds to complete or reject them, and you can keep offering them over and over again to boost your empire's perception of their empire.

It's also a fantastic way to 'supplement' your income, to the point that you can very quickly pay off the initial costs of getting the Diplomacy tech to offer missions in the first place! I use this so much that my empire's feelings to the AI reaches close to the perfect 20 before I even offer the most basic of pacts.

In the beginning ask for 200 units of metal or crystal. I find the AI tends to complete those more frequently than the 1000 credits version. For sure, ask for the resource type your economy needs the most, but if you have an idea of what type of planets the AI holds, you can improve your chances of success as well (AI going for volcano planets? Ask for metal!).

Also, the AI won't honor your resource requests until their relationship with you is about 1.0 to 1.5. If you find the enemy rejecting your requests (along the lines of "It's laughable to think I'd help you!" as opposed to the "Eh, we can't do this right now"), send them resources or dance an envoy ship around their gravity wells until it comes up high enough. Relationship gained from resources can only go up to a cap of +5.0 with the right research, so you won't be able to quickly sway a sworn enemy.